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thanks brother
Look at those sexy Ladies hmmm Yummy
thanks brother
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Look at those sexy Ladies hmmm Yummy
Splendid Irish, just splendid.
Your ways are true to how marijuana should be grown indoors, a little more dirt in the equation and your rocking exactly what I want in future setups.
(Have you experimented with adding soil to coco?)
Just sold my Nikon D5000 I should of hit you up. Have you tried turning the sharpness up to max with a picture edit program? I did that the other night on an old picture and it really makes Any and Every crystal shine off the picture. Ill post a pic if you wanna see what I mean...
Hey medicine21,
Either your trying to pull one on me or you misread my e-mail to you and if thats the case I deeply apologize for any offense you might take to this post. I will post my e-mail correspondence medicine21 with so he and everyone else doing research on led's where I stand with my products and knows what I really said in the e-mail replies. I think everyone on the threads and those who have talked to me personally know I would never make such false claims.
Here's medicine21 sent me:
Message:
I am looking to replace 4x1000W covering TWO 4x8' tables, basically an 8x8' area.
Which of your lights would give me same or better results as 4x1000W in this space?
Here is what i replied back with:
"We can go with four of my spectra 280w panels per 4x8 tray or depending if you want to use less wattage I would recommend using two of my Spectra 450w panels per 4x8 tray either way you go you will at the very lest match your hps with yield and in my opinion beat it with quality but myself and my customers are seeing a 20% to 30% increase in yield watt for watt with the led vs hps/mh and the quality is always better with my led's. The difference between the 4x280w panels and 2x450w panels is going to be about 8% in overall yield because of the coverage of the 4x280w but i assure you if you got a green thumb and you know what your doing and familiar with the plant strains you grow you will beat the hps either way.
ok apparently there's still a missinderstanding.. what I recommended is that four of my 280w panels will replace one 1000w hps or two of my 450w panels to replace one of 1000w hps.
I am not sure how I could've read that in any other way than 1X450 or 2X280W LED = 1000W HPS, but I appreciate you stepping in and clarifying this.
I guess I was living the dream that I could reduce the power costs and match the results of HPS with LEDs. Since the official, post clarification, claim is 1W LED = 1W HPS, the only benefits left that I see are less work for my AC and longer lasting lights.
Well you will save power from not having to run as much air conditioning, or having to use powerful fans to exhaust just the HID heat, or running a ballast and possibly a fan for that. And you should grow more with a good LED light than an HID of = wattage (well wattage of the LED light and its built in fans) its just hard to quantify how much more especially depending on the growing style (SOG or SCROG or vert or etc)
A good 400w LED should grow more than a 400w HID. Would a good 300w LED grow more than a 400w HID? I don't think it always would but I bet the best ones can.
Hello irish boy, been lurking and tryin to get caught up on your grow. I think the jacks look like chron chron too fam. wasnt here for the start but hope you'll have me for the rest. I'm subscribed brother. Now i'll stand to your left incase you pass that spliff.
Here is a grow done by 420 magazine and a great grower Setting Sun
300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration
My Spectra 300 (true draw 360w 2010 version) vs. 400w HPS
My Spectra LED from what I remember out yielded the 400w HPS by over 50 grams and from what SS said the quality was higher.
So their are savings. I always said that watt for watt my panels would out yield HPS by 20% to 30% and with little radiant heat, much easier heat management and always higher quality.
To medicine21,
Their are saving with LED's you just really have to ready and educate yourself on them. I would really recommend you read the link I just posted.
Hi Mike,
I appreciate you referencing my grow and your kind words, and again would like to thank you for generously donating one of your panels for that revealing comparison.
I would like to make a correction to the above in that the difference in yield between LED and HID was 16g.
"quality" is a subjective thing, as it means we ascribe value to something, and what I value may not be the same as what someone else values.
What I value is defined by what I want/need, and as I'm a medical marijuana patient before anything else, I want/need a final product that primarily helps me with my medical issues.
Not that I have no appreciation for other aspects of this herb, but I came back to growing because I desperately needed to get off opiate pain meds, not as a connoisseur interested in wine and cheese parties, so that's the perspective I'm coming from when I ascribe value.
I've been smoking both sets of buds now for a while, and have noted some consistencies.
The LED buds from this grow have a moderately stronger effect than the HID buds, and the effect also lasts about an hour longer. So for my back pain and ADD/OCD, the LED buds have more value to me, and no doubt also to other medical marijuana patients.
Bag appeal, aroma, taste, etc., are criteria of less import to me, although certainly not unimportant, but these are also completely subjective, so I'll list my impressions, and you can assign your own values.
Appearance:
There is a difference in the shade of green, with the LED buds being darker green than the HID buds. The LED buds have slightly smaller gland heads on their trichs, but their number of trichs is greater, and they sparkle a little more than the HID buds.
The LED buds appear a little tighter after the cure. At harvest, I described that the HID buds had a lower calyx/leaf ratio, and that the LED buds took me longer to manicure because they had more of these velvety little sugar leaves. Since these sugar leaves were heavily encrusted with trichs, I don't believe this has any negative effect on potency, and who knows, it may be one of the reasons the LED buds are somewhat stronger in effect.
In any case, I'm talking about appearance, not potency, and the LED buds, after some cure time, look more solid than the HID buds, even though mass and weight are close to equal.
Aroma and taste:
Maybe I'm not quite as discerning as some, but they smell and taste very similar to me.
Any perceived differences are so subtle that I can't be sure if it's just my imagination, so I'll just leave it at that.
Feelability:
you gotta squeeze the Charmin
The LED buds look a little tighter and also feel a little tighter and denser than the HID buds, although again, weights are almost identical, so don't go there.
The HID buds were stickier at harvest, the LED buds are slightly stickier after the cure. It's a subtle difference, but if you're sensitive to stuff like that, you'd probably notice.
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All of the above "connoisseur" criteria, as I mentioned, comes secondary to medicinal value for me.
Out of all the stuff I mentioned outside of medicinal value, the only thing I value about the HID buds over the LED is their lighter color, but since that lasts about 1/2 second in the bowl, it's not something of significant value to me.
what do *you* value?
hi irish and all, i'm a big fan of doing your own homework when deciding to buy something expensive and would like to think that most folks are but we all know some folks just dont get it-they will spend cash and get p'd off when they realize they got screwed even though they did no pre buying homework.
i have for close to 6 months now have had a hardon for a pair spectras but everytime i email mike to see if theres n e used 1s theres usually not-the 1 time he had some used at the same time i had the cash to invest, my car tooka crap on me and there went my cash-i hope he doesnt get mad bout me contacting once a month to c if there are used spectras available, but unless i get back to work soon i'm gonna have to wait it out for used. to me there is no other choice than than mikes spectras if going led, as was stated by diff people earlier there is no way i will fork out this kinda money without proof of the claims and mikes are the only reasonable claims i have seen when it comes to leds, and just the sincerity, politeness and honesty not to mention willingness to answer and or explain questions i have encountered when researching and contacting him along with your grows, his own and other glh journals on here have sold me--someday i will have spectras--to me it seems that at least for a couple years mikes lights will be the leader in led grow lights-and possibly forever if he keeps up with the r&d and updating to the newest parts whenever he can, he has surely shown he is willing to invest into upgrading when new or updated parts come out--he could of redone the lights for 2011 and left them alone but he updated to 3rd generation b4 his website was even updated to his 2nd generation--that speaks to me as a consumer and it tells me hes commited to his buisness and trying to make a differance in the lighting world, maybe a little slow getting the site updated but thats becuz the lights are being gone over to be able to list more info about them, im not one who needs all the technical info-i have no desire to overwork my brain the few hours each day that its capable--to me its power useage and weight/quality thats all my brain wants to hear and that has been proven here glh style time and time again to be atleast as good as hid and usually better- i also love the fact that he himself has grown our beloved plants and therefore has a personal interest other than making money invested into his product, and his willingness to donate lights for comparisons also speaks to me(just wish it coulda been me gettin em for an honest grow journal) that tells me that he is not trying to hide anything which is why even b4 your 1st glh grow was done(bout halfway thro bloom) i decided i was ready to buy and i get itchier everyday to get my own spectras--now if i can just get a job or stop drooling over you guys bud porn long enough to sell some crap on the eba y i'll also be pimping some spectras
now that the wattage numbers have changed i get little confused but the 240's are basically the old 180's with the 1st 2011 upgrade correct ?
if i remember correctly originally
they were 120 180 300 600 i was intereseted in the 180's a pair of them-but once i seen the prices had gone up i was doomed to the smallest or used -not that i dont like the bigger panels but want 2keep the option to divide up into 2 seperate small rooms---actually would start off with a 1 panel grow to try to get used to the indoor thing-before going full on both lights in bigger room, possibly at that time maybe seeing if i could trade up also, but only would trade in one of the small panels so id be still be able to do 2 rooms seperatly--1 for just making my own femd seeds and the other for meds