480W & 720W LED Grow - Land of Clovers

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

cause the roots would want to grow outward rather than downward?

ill have to look around and see what info i can pull up.
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

cause the roots would want to grow outward rather than downward?

ill have to look around and see what info i can pull up.

They will grow whatever direction they are allowed to grow. Ive always heard there is at least as much roots below as there is plant above. To grow 1lb from one plant you gotta really be top notch at growing. Most people can get 2oz from a mature plant ... the trick is increasing that 8fold.

I think to get a pound you gotta give the plant every chance possible ..including some massive pot (think big enough you couldn't pick it up ..you have to roll it).

Hydro... you could do it dwc easier i think. one 25gal rubbermaid thingy..lots of airstones ...and bubble away till you don't have anymore room in your entire basement ... walla!

I personally think some of those guys with literally wheelbarrels full of nugs from one plant have spent years if not decades perfecting their skills in a both collective and cooperative environment. One guy finds some monster producer ... gives it to his "master gardener" friend down the road ..and presto... you have a winner.

Sometimes I think people just stumble on huge producers from beans without ever having the intention on cloning/continuing the process.

Lastly, if you are not one of those guys that gets a seemingly white infertile bean..sprouts it anyway and its some long lost g13 that nets 1.2lbs off a branch... I suggest you sit down ... draw out a gameplan ..and dedicate yourself to that plant. Maybe start with 4 at a time ...trying something a little more extreme on the next one until you find the maximum amount of nutes your girls can eat .... all the while twisting and forcing those nodes back through the screen. You might kill a few ladies along the way, but you will master that strain to its maximum potential. One day youll hit that 1lb from a plant mark. Hopefully its more sooner than later and youll post it here.

Oh .. and stick with ONE nute system. Much easier to master ..and as Irish suggested Lucas to me... guess what .... it works and its ez to tailor.
 
Re: Irish Boy's - 480W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Thank you Sir!!


make sure ur tap water bubbles for at least 24hr to get rid of most of the chlorine, but if you dont know what the PH is it easy to get ur PH way off and lock out certain things. maybe a cheap pool PH test kit will get you in the ball park. at least so u can see what ur tap water PH is?

when using good quality soil should have enough food to feed ur girls for a while worm castings, meals, guanos, ect.. i would recommend sea kelp for sure though mixed into ur water.

Now with the led light hight its hard to say because i dont know what brand u are using? ive tried a few different types of led lights in my time and they all like different heights. I know the better/stronger GLH lights are a good idea to start off high and work ur way down, to harden off ur plants.

As far as the dome it worked wonders for my one girl, the others came back with just good micro life i believe? but the dome i just sprayed R/O water on the inside and put it over my girl and took in of every maybe 3-4 hours and left it off for maybe 15-30min and put it back on. the moister in the dome is what keeps the plants from transpiring allot.

When cutting the leaves its best to cut some of the fingers off that are the older growth and that are too big and bulky for the roots. dont cut the whole leaf off just the fingers. just like you see with allot of clones when you get them from a good cloner.

Now please dont take my advise as the right and only way of doing things. this is just my opinion and what i would do. in no means am i saying this is the right/only way of doing things. you must take peoples advice and run it threw ur head to see if it makes sense and do some Google searching. the last thing i want is to be at fault if somthing i said messed up their plants;) but this is what ive done and what worked for me.

by the way from the looks of the 1st pic you have the dreaded "CLAW" i have no clue what it means for 100% sure, but ive read before it has something to due with Nitrogen, but maybe do some goggle reading on "the Claw with cannabis plants". or something like that.

Well i tried the dome and she doesnt seem to want to grow at all... Green as can be but for some reason the growth doesnt want to go vertical, maybe the clone was too short? and theres not enough internodes to branch? (thinking as im typing) but the other ladies are thriving, so thinking of cutting them down to 4 when it comes time to flower... then vegging the strugglers for longer. And of course ive been reading around everywhere, but since there isnt much out there in the land of LED, you had the best ideas!! :smokin2:

Also decided to start my own grow journal as i didnt want to hijack yours with 2 grows already in it!!RoorRipRoorRip
 
re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

cause the roots would want to grow outward rather than downward?

ill have to look around and see what info i can pull up.
from what ive rad the root will grow down and out
They will grow whatever direction they are allowed to grow. Ive always heard there is at least as much roots below as there is plant above. To grow 1lb from one plant you gotta really be top notch at growing. Most people can get 2oz from a mature plant ... the trick is increasing that 8fold.

I think to get a pound you gotta give the plant every chance possible ..including some massive pot (think big enough you couldn't pick it up ..you have to roll it).

Hydro... you could do it dwc easier i think. one 25gal rubbermaid thingy..lots of airstones ...and bubble away till you don't have anymore room in your entire basement ... walla!

I personally think some of those guys with literally wheelbarrels full of nugs from one plant have spent years if not decades perfecting their skills in a both collective and cooperative environment. One guy finds some monster producer ... gives it to his "master gardener" friend down the road ..and presto... you have a winner.

Sometimes I think people just stumble on huge producers from beans without ever having the intention on cloning/continuing the process.

Lastly, if you are not one of those guys that gets a seemingly white infertile bean..sprouts it anyway and its some long lost g13 that nets 1.2lbs off a branch... I suggest you sit down ... draw out a gameplan ..and dedicate yourself to that plant. Maybe start with 4 at a time ...trying something a little more extreme on the next one until you find the maximum amount of nutes your girls can eat .... all the while twisting and forcing those nodes back through the screen. You might kill a few ladies along the way, but you will master that strain to its maximum potential. One day youll hit that 1lb from a plant mark. Hopefully its more sooner than later and youll post it here.

Oh .. and stick with ONE nute system. Much easier to master ..and as Irish suggested Lucas to me... guess what .... it works and its ez to tailor.
ive seen almost 1lbs plant in 5 gal DWC buckets.

IMO 1lbs plants arnt hard to do as long as you have the right conditions in ur grow room a good strain and allot of veg time and of course the strain. just takes allot of veg time then whats its worth somtime because in the same time you can do more grow with smaller plants. this is why SOG are good.
Well i tried the dome and she doesnt seem to want to grow at all... Green as can be but for some reason the growth doesnt want to go vertical, maybe the clone was too short? and theres not enough internodes to branch? (thinking as im typing) but the other ladies are thriving, so thinking of cutting them down to 4 when it comes time to flower... then vegging the strugglers for longer. And of course ive been reading around everywhere, but since there isnt much out there in the land of LED, you had the best ideas!! :smokin2:

Also decided to start my own grow journal as i didnt want to hijack yours with 2 grows already in it!!RoorRipRoorRip

sometimes things like that happen, something to do with the roots or something? if ur not over watering. just them a chance and if ur grow space is filling out then they get tossed and make room for the bigger girls. i always get a clone that falls behind the other ones. i have one of each of my new grows.
 
re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Hi, Irish boy, i've been following your journals and you r the best!, you are like a hero to me lol! I was wondering, what temps are u getting with the two 180w leds? Whats your outside temps on a daily basis?
 
re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Hello Irish.....

I have been reading all your threads without chimming in since I have a lot of interest in LED grows and I am a newbie.

I'll keep this short. I am growing with the Haight LED 180 watt light and vegging is great. I just went 1 week into 12/12 and would love to know if you have any experience with HSS LED lights?

I even purchased (2) 250 red watt CFL's just in case flowering would be a problem. I read SFHASE posts and his journals convinced me to buy the LED with no fans and 6 watt diodes.

Should I shit can everything and buy the HGL 300 watt for $700????

Thanks in advance

LED4ME
 
re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

thanks for the advice.
anytime my friend.
Just reading along :reading420magazine:

Great to see both sets of plants so happy and healthy! :popcorn:
yes sir, ill tell you that tea is some bad ass stuff, ive never had plants that green not one thing wrong with them so far. i just flowered the casey Jones today so soon we shall see some bud, the Jacks are next.
Hi, Irish boy, i've been following your journals and you r the best!, you are like a hero to me lol! I was wondering, what temps are u getting with the two 180w leds? Whats your outside temps on a daily basis?
thanks my friend very kind words.

my tent stays around 77F* my exhaust is not running out side of the grow area is just keeping air moving so basically i am just exhausting hot air back in. not too sure what the room temp is though but its free heat.lol. the tents make things allot hotter thats for sure, going to be hard to run things in the summer time, it might just become a veg tent. but it raised my tent like 7 degrees i believe? i just have a passive intake, i could make things allot more cooler if i wanted to but right now the temps are perfect.
Hello Irish.....

I have been reading all your threads without chimming in since I have a lot of interest in LED grows and I am a newbie.

I'll keep this short. I am growing with the Haight LED 180 watt light and vegging is great. I just went 1 week into 12/12 and would love to know if you have any experience with HSS LED lights?

I even purchased (2) 250 red watt CFL's just in case flowering would be a problem. I read SFHASE posts and his journals convinced me to buy the LED with no fans and 6 watt diodes.

Should I shit can everything and buy the HGL 300 watt for $700????

Thanks in advance

LED4ME

welcome my friend. i will be honest allot of people dont like my post because i am a blunt person and and no filter, but i will be 100% honest! i think the HSS light is not good for flowering and their claims are BS! please dont take that the wrong way! i will let you judge i just do not support company's BS claims one bit, its a scam and makes me made that newbies that dont know better get lied to on false claims. ive noticed they changed theirs claims now after being proven wrong. check this out every thing you want to know. Haight Solid State vs. H.G.LED this is the man to talk to for sure. now i dont want to say spend $700 because i cant say that, thats something only you can answer. i will say the GLH lights are much much better and $700 with shipping is a good deal considering that they cost $1000 without shipping. put thats ur choice my friend. that journal and growers will have all the answers for you.

here is a break down on that grow so you can see what i mean by that it blows.

A few observations (see table below)


  • The wet to dry weight loss ratio is about 62% for this LED grow as opposed to the 75% rule of thumb that most people are used to. Water loss was remarkably consistent on a plant to plant basis.
  • The final g/w results (less any hash setting sun makes from the trim) were 3.6 times better for HGL than HSS when compared on a g/w basis
  • The gross weight results were 2.4 times better for HGL when not normalized for wattage differences.
  • The HSS costs $495 or $2.61 per watt, the HGL costs $475 or $3.77 per watt.
  • Depending on whether one is concerned about the fixed cost of initial purchase or the ongoing cost of electricity differential, the HGL outpaced the HSS light by a multiple of between 2.4 and 3.6; depending on how strongly the reader factors in his fixed costs.
  • HSS should get more hash as they had much more trim (tbd)
  • The biomass ratio (finished buds divided by total wet weight of the plant) was about 50% better for the HGL compared to the HSS. Essentially 15.2% of the total growth was bud for HGL while 9.1% was bud for HSS
  • The oddball sativa phenomenon did not skew results as its output was tucked neatly near the median for all measure categories
  • The HSS was more consistent for all plants grown, albeit to lesser weights (see the coefficient of variation and standard deviation values in table)

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re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

yes sir, ill tell you that tea is some bad ass stuff, ive never had plants that green not one thing wrong with them so far. i just flowered the casey Jones today so soon we shall see some bud, the Jacks are next.

The once a week tea concept fascinates me.
 
re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Hello Irish

Once again thank you for taking time to reply to my question. When I first purchased my HSS lights there was not as much information around as there is today. For every month that goes by an expanding wealth of information and breakthroughs are making their way.

When I saw the grow off between the 126 W penetrator and HSS my heart did sink a little bit to be honest. Now I see your journals which either you believe or you don't and now I really feel like shit. I don't feel like I was being scammed since the quality of workmanship is obviously apparent. Maybe some bigger than life claims but that is marketing 101.

I myself have three large websites where I invented something and have a worldwide audience. I understand marketing. For now I'll keep that quiet if you know what I mean. I will go through this grow and maybe play with my new 500 watt CFLs and see what happens.

I read some excellent information on these CFL's from Rosenthal and will be interesting to see how switching to 38,000 lm (red) will work in my small grow (if need be). I will contact you at the end of 6 to 8 weeks from now and if I'm unhappy (personal consumption grow legal MJ card) I will take you up on your offer if it's still out there on that 300 W light.

Keep up the great work and remember as far as I'm concerned you are an early pioneer in LED work just like I was in what I invented and can now retire early.

Best wishes
 
re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

so far so good thats for sure, these are the healthiest looking plants ive grown so far. nothing wrong with they one bit just very sexy green leafs. just want to see how that tea makes them buds and how the quality is?

Nothing wrong with sexy green. Does always come down to buds and quality of smoke. Hoping you get both.
 
re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Hello Irish

Once again thank you for taking time to reply to my question. When I first purchased my HSS lights there was not as much information around as there is today. For every month that goes by an expanding wealth of information and breakthroughs are making their way.

When I saw the grow off between the 126 W penetrator and HSS my heart did sink a little bit to be honest. Now I see your journals which either you believe or you don't and now I really feel like shit. I don't feel like I was being scammed since the quality of workmanship is obviously apparent. Maybe some bigger than life claims but that is marketing 101.

I myself have three large websites where I invented something and have a worldwide audience. I understand marketing. For now I'll keep that quiet if you know what I mean. I will go through this grow and maybe play with my new 500 watt CFLs and see what happens.

I read some excellent information on these CFL's from Rosenthal and will be interesting to see how switching to 38,000 lm (red) will work in my small grow (if need be). I will contact you at the end of 6 to 8 weeks from now and if I'm unhappy (personal consumption grow legal MJ card) I will take you up on your offer if it's still out there on that 300 W light.

Keep up the great work and remember as far as I'm concerned you are an early pioneer in LED work just like I was in what I invented and can now retire early.

Best wishes
i here you bro, use what u got and see if it suites ur needs? thats all that matters bro. when i was saying scammed its just stuff i seen in the past that leds companys have done to 1st time growers and made hyped up claims and they spent a ton of money and got screwed. i understand the business stand the stand point, but its still not right because if the product dosent work them dont put it out until the bugs are worked out, not just try to makes as much money as possible and screw over others, because in the long run its going to hurt their sales. i respect HSS because they did come on here trying to make up BS about the end results, they took it on the chin unlike other company's i know. they also seemed to have changed their web page and took off the claims. so thats cool. my feeling towards the light in flowering is the same until i see it others wise.

i have a feeling most of ur buds will be from the CFL's but even at that their not good for flowering all the way, ive used them. they will get the job done for sure bud yield and dense buds usually suffer. IMO ur allot better off running a 400w HPS or CMH light setup. but thats just me and my opinion. at the end its on what u want and what ur happy with?

the 300w deal is Mikes deal not mine, so i couldn't say how long or what will be offered. i am just a led grower i have nothing to do with that company and its sales. Mike just offered a discount towards my thread followers to be nice since they make these threads what they are and a way for members to learn about growing meds.

please dont look at it as my thread made you feel like shit from my leds grows. thats not what its about, i can careless what leds are used as long as their good lights and the claims are accurate, i support led growers not matter what size shape or color they use with the grow lights.lol.. i just want to bad rep leds have to stop. all lights are not the same
Nothing wrong with sexy green. Does always come down to buds and quality of smoke. Hoping you get both.
me to my friend.
 
re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I had to do that on the comparison grow between the 126w and 180w LED lights, because the grow was during the cold months and the lights produced very little heat.

My electric bill pretty much doubled. It sucked.

One thing that will really increase the efficiency of space heaters is to have a circulation fan set so that it circulates that hot air around the room. After setting the fan up, I was able to turn the thermostat on the heater down quite a bit, but it still sucked having to run it.
 
re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Hello Irish

Once again thanks for all the information. HSS commented that the test was not 100% equal in terms of product quantity because with their light being wider angle the user could have had more plants covered and hence a higher gram count with more plants.

This does make sense and I don't think it's a copout but that's my personal opinion. Anyway, let's put this to rest as I'm making some arrangements to give my light away in favor of purchasing the HGL 300 W.

I will make contact later tonight with the website owner who I believe you said is Mike? And ask for the discount based on our discussion.

The bottom line is I have enough resources to buy the best light and it's for that reason only I making this change. I do like the idea of having 11 wavelengths even if some of them are barely used.

What the hell does +rep mean ????????????? LOL
 
re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Hello Irish

Once again thanks for all the information. HSS commented that the test was not 100% equal in terms of product quantity because with their light being wider angle the user could have had more plants covered and hence a higher gram count with more plants.

This does make sense and I don't think it's a copout but that's my personal opinion. Anyway, let's put this to rest as I'm making some arrangements to give my light away in favor of purchasing the HGL 300 W.

I will make contact later tonight with the website owner who I believe you said is Mike? And ask for the discount based on our discussion.

The bottom line is I have enough resources to buy the best light and it's for that reason only I making this change. I do like the idea of having 11 wavelengths even if some of them are barely used.

What the hell does +rep mean ????????????? LOL

we will put it to rest, but i will say one thing about the 120 degree lenses, yes he could have had more foot print and got more yield, but those plants weren't tall so what good is only having foot print and not penetration? why have to grow a plant thats only 12"? those are only good from SOG grows, put people have plant counts with their med cards so this is not a good excuse from the company and makes no sense to me. i rather grow big plants thats going to yield 3-5oz per plants instead of a small plant that will yield 1/8th. we will put it to rest though. just my opinion

just do research on these lights and do just go by my grows, plenty of members are using them ask around.

Rep points are a way of saying thanks or showing respect for a post.

hop i helped you with all u wanted to know, if anything els just ask.
 
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