480W & 720W LED Grow - Land of Clovers

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

stem porn :)

Those stems are huge and beautiful!

When I used the coarse #4 perlite on my last grow, I thought the OC+ prills would wash down to the bottom of the bucket, but they didn't. Even with vigorous watering, they stayed put pretty well.

The only reason I've been using perlite in my grows is because I have a bag I need to use up. I'm not generally sensitive to stuff, but even small amounts of perlite dust in the air make me cough. I spray it down with a garden sprayer before I handle it to reduce the dust, but I still wind up coughing.

I'm almost done with my last bag of perlite and then I'm going to use pumice, Turface, hydroton, lava rocks.

I guess some Dutch growers have evolved to using 50/50 coco/hydroton. I think well-rinsed red lava rock might work just as well or better, and it's a whole lot cheaper.

Straight hydroton only wicks about 3", so it doesn't work too well in a 10" tall hempy bucket, and it doesn't retain much water either, so needs to be watered a lot, but mixing it with coco solves both of those problems.

I used to grow drain-to-waste in tubs filled with red lava rock, and the root balls were just beautiful, but for taller containers, lava rock and hydroton work better mixed with something that wicks well and retains well, like coco.

For perlite hempy buckets with CRF nutes, it seems that the medium-grade perlite actually works better than the coarse. It wicks better and retain more water.

so, ummmmm, what was the question? lol
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Setting Sun said:
stem porn :)

Those stems are huge and beautiful!

When I used the coarse #4 perlite on my last grow, I thought the OC+ prills would wash down to the bottom of the bucket, but they didn't. Even with vigorous watering, they stayed put pretty well.

The only reason I've been using perlite in my grows is because I have a bag I need to use up. I'm not generally sensitive to stuff, but even small amounts of perlite dust in the air make me cough. I spray it down with a garden sprayer before I handle it to reduce the dust, but I still wind up coughing.

I'm almost done with my last bag of perlite and then I'm going to use pumice, Turface, hydroton, lava rocks.

I guess some Dutch growers have evolved to using 50/50 coco/hydroton. I think well-rinsed red lava rock might work just as well or better, and it's a whole lot cheaper.

Straight hydroton only wicks about 3", so it doesn't work too well in a 10" tall hempy bucket, and it doesn't retain much water either, so needs to be watered a lot, but mixing it with coco solves both of those problems.

I used to grow drain-to-waste in tubs filled with red lava rock, and the root balls were just beautiful, but for taller containers, lava rock and hydroton work better mixed with something that wicks well and retains well, like coco.

For perlite hempy buckets with CRF nutes, it seems that the medium-grade perlite actually works better than the coarse. It wicks better and retain more water.

so, ummmmm, what was the question? lol
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you answered it for me! thanks.

one question though? i know hydrton dosent retain water good but the SS#4 should solve this problem right? i am thinking hydroton in the bottom of my hempy just above the hole for a res filter, then a 50/50 hydroton/SS#4 on top, witch i would think it might be smart in the cold temps as to where if it was hot i would use less. by IYO do u think that will be a good mix ratio? also would the wicking of hydroton really matter if i have SS#4 50% mixed in?

i was just debating if that mix would cause the prills to fall down threw the SS#4 mix and into the bottom of the res.
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I'd like to see separate journals when there's more than one grow because sometimes, in addition to being confusing (lol), I get confused. In theory, two separate threads should allow me to keep my confusion to a minimum. A is A and B is B and all that. If I see a picture or read that you're doing something, I should be able to glance at the title on top of my browser and know which it is and therefore that you're showing pictures of the plants from A instead of B or that the thing you just changed is in the B grow and not the A one.

In practice, I'll still end up hitting a point where I'm dazed. At that point, I'll probably start looking back through the posts to refresh my mind. And at that point, well... I'd rather go through fewer posts in order to read YOUR posts (not that everyone's aren't interesting, but your posts (or any journal author's) would be the ones with the updates while the rest of ours would be discussion about them).

And yours are popular threads, bro. Look at this one; you're still in the early stages and the post you just made was #207 (and your other one is up to well over 2,700). So separate threads means less to dig through when I need to refresh and get back on "the same page."

But it's your journal and whatever is easier for you. If you feel that you'd end up having to double-post a lot of like information - and that you can keep two grows intelligently separated in one thread, then do so if you want to. Your journal. Your grows. Your WORK.

Your choice.
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Hey thats my lighter lol.No just kidding,,,
Yeah IDK Irish.I think lava rock would work well around where your over flow is.Hydroton does not hold water veary well.I have been starting my plants in just hydroton but I have to constantly put them on drip or skuart bottle.Is there another median that is pretty good at obsorbing.Idk I have not tried hempy yet but I think lava rocks would work at the bottom.Even with soil I aways have rocks or something simular.If just using lava rock in my opinion you would need a timed drip.But IDK I am always learning something ever time I turn around.:reading420magazine:
 
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TorturedSoul said:
I'd like to see separate journals when there's more than one grow because sometimes, in addition to being confusing (lol), I get confused. In theory, two separate threads should allow me to keep my confusion to a minimum. A is A and B is B and all that. If I see a picture or read that you're doing something, I should be able to glance at the title on top of my browser and know which it is and therefore that you're showing pictures of the plants from A instead of B or that the thing you just changed is in the B grow and not the A one.

In practice, I'll still end up hitting a point where I'm dazed. At that point, I'll probably start looking back through the posts to refresh my mind. And at that point, well... I'd rather go through fewer posts in order to read YOUR posts (not that everyone's aren't interesting, but your posts (or any journal author's) would be the ones with the updates while the rest of ours would be discussion about them).

And yours are popular threads, bro. Look at this one; you're still in the early stages and the post you just made was #207 (and your other one is up to well over 2,700). So separate threads means less to dig through when I need to refresh and get back on "the same page."

But it's your journal and whatever is easier for you. If you feel that you'd end up having to double-post a lot of like information - and that you can keep two grows intelligently separated in one thread, then do so if you want to. Your journal. Your grows. Your WORK.

Your choice.
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thanks for the vote!
very good points you have. i couldnt make up my mind so i just let the viewers decide for me:ganjamon:
turttle said:
Hey thats my lighter lol.No just kidding,,,
Yeah IDK Irish.I think lava rock would work well around where your over flow is.Hydroton does not hold water veary well.I have been starting my plants in just hydroton but I have to constantly put them on drip or skuart bottle.Is there another median that is pretty good at obsorbing.Idk I have not tried hempy yet but I think lava rocks would work at the bottom.Even with soil I aways have rocks or something simular.If just using lava rock in my opinion you would need a timed drip.But IDK I am always learning something ever time I turn around.:reading420magazine:
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i agree i have lava rocks in my current mix and i like it, but the problem is i dont know where i can buy it at? i need something tomorrow. not sure if OSH has it or not? I know ive seen it somewhere before but it was a while ago.

Any one know if lava rocks are PH neutral?
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

The pores in lava are determined by the speed of the lava flow and therefore the speed in which the lava dried. The flow of lava is varied partially based on pressure though the largest determining factor for the type of lava flow and is silica content.

"lava rock," actually a reddish volcanic pumice, the solidified froth of lava. Pumice is inert; it won't affect the pH. (i dont know the rules about posting urls)
 
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thinkerr said:
(i dont know the rules about posting urls)
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Hmm... If I remember correctly, absolutely NO links to other cannabis web-forums, don't post live links to retailers selling the same product as one of our sponsors - an understandable thing, since it is they that pay for this site's upkeep, software fees, server bills, paid staff such as webmaster/web-security and the like, et cetera and the money that they pay the site as a sponsor of course comes from what they make by selling those products, lol - links to fleabay (eBay) are frowned upon probably both because many sellers there are in competition with our sponsors, a lot of the stuff hawked there is worthless, and people with majority ownership in eBay (and PayPal, which will terminate and freeze the accounts of a person/business found to be dealing in cannabis-related goods/services) are opponents to all of us in the fight to legalize.

Posting links to products not offered by our sponsors, posting a link that has information, and the like are generally fine. If posting a link to a government site I'd either mangle the link, include a disclaimer, or both.

If you think a link is acceptable - but aren't positive, you can always post it and then use the Report Post link to bring that post to the attention of the staff and use the box that pops up to ask them if your post is ok.

Keep in mind that I'm going on memory and common-sense, both of which I sometimes lack.
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

thinkerr said:
The pores in lava are determined by the speed of the lava flow and therefore the speed in which the lava dried. The flow of lava is varied partially based on pressure though the largest determining factor for the type of lava flow and is silica content.

"lava rock," actually a reddish volcanic pumice, the solidified froth of lava. Pumice is inert; it won't affect the pH. (i dont know the rules about posting urls)
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Wingman420 said:
What's up Irish, looking good brother:welldone:

:goodjob:

5 Stars
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thanks for the 5 stars brother means allot to get that. thanks allot man, mad respect
 
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IrishBoy said:
i agree i have lava rocks in my current mix and i like it, but the problem is i dont know where i can buy it at? i need something tomorrow. not sure if OSH has it or not? I know ive seen it somewhere before but it was a while ago.

Any one know if lava rocks are PH neutral?
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Our OSH has bags of lava rock. The particle size does vary a lot from pallet to pallet, so I try to get bags with smaller sized rocks, about the size of hydroton pebbles if possible.

It needs to be rinsed real well, but it is PH neutral.

It somehow got a bad rap that the rough edges are hard on roots if they shift, but roots anchored in lava rock don't shift ;).

I think the brand they carry at OSH is Vigoro. If they have both red and black, you want the red because the black has too much iron.
 
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Setting Sun said:
Our OSH has bags of lava rock. The particle size does vary a lot from pallet to pallet, so I try to get bags with smaller sized rocks, about the size of hydroton pebbles if possible.

It needs to be rinsed real well, but it is PH neutral.

It somehow got a bad rap that the rough edges are hard on roots if they shift, but roots anchored in lava rock don't shift ;).

I think the brand they carry at OSH is Vigoro. If they have both red and black, you want the red because the black has too much iron.
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Experimenting with Magic Energy from Nature:
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Google it!
i want my plants to have magic energy! some real crazy test that are claimed, not sure if their real? good old lava rock. ill check OSH tomorrow
 
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+reps to you Irish for having all of us here!

A question, I have a great creek, with small stones, any reason those cannot be used instead of hydroton?
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Wash them and sterilize them well. Maybe bake them. If it's just river(sic)-tumbled rock, you'll probably be fine. Might want to try it with only one plant first, but it probably won't cause mad pH spikes or anything.
 
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Thanks TS , If I decide to use them I will probably boil them. The ground around here is more acidic from what I can tell. The creek runs down from a mountain, nothin but nature up there!
 
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Tmac12 said:
+reps to you Irish for having all of us here!

A question, I have a great creek, with small stones, any reason those cannot be used instead of hydroton?
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Thanks for the rep.
i would say you might be ok, as long as you clean it real good with like maybe some H2O2 or something. its just hard to say if it will cause any PH issues? i would just give it a try on 1-2 plants 1st. i also cant see these being good water wicking at all, just for drainage and air apace. now if you growing in pots these could be good for a layer on the bottom to help with drainage.
TorturedSoul said:
Wash them and sterilize them well. Maybe bake them. If it's just river(sic)-tumbled rock, you'll probably be fine. Might want to try it with only one plant first, but it probably won't cause mad pH spikes or anything.
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bmarduk said:
Why does it need to be rinsed? I add volcanic rock dust for flavor and micros when I build soil.



How did you come to this conclusion? As far as I know, [or don't, I will find out] the difference in color is an iron oxidation state issue. I will report back with what I find out.

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i wish i could answer that but i couldn't find anything? everything i found says they use crushed volcanic rock in their soil. but i dont know much about this stuff. after reading allot of info i am convinced Hydroton is a better option, the side by sides i seen hydrton did better on the roots.
 
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Tmac12 said:
+reps to you Irish for having all of us here!

A question, I have a great creek, with small stones, any reason those cannot be used instead of hydroton?
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I would pute the rocks in a bucket of water for a couple of weeks then test the water.Some metals are harmfull to plants.Like if you live by a copper mine maybe not such a good ideal.I think a good stone or bebbles would be any thing from the sea that may have traces of coral and stuff like that.I may even use this over hydroton in my bubblers.But its always best to test first for any palutants or contaminants.My opinion it just gives a little peice of mind.:peace:
 
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