42 Year Old Bag Seed!

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Welcome Ranger! Great looking growbox you got there! I know what ya mean about the "giggle weed". :thumb:

Buck? Think I should get some dramatic background music? Sorry about all the dramatics but I had just got back from chemo and had to take my meds and was wiped out.

(Using his Walter Cronkite voice) Now for the news.

Monster got toasted but didn't seem to affect it to bad because it started throwing shoots like mad! I separated Ozzie and Harriet and got runt its own playpen.

I started adding what I call grow helpers to the watering, with this heat wave the upstairs gets a lil warm and the temp in the box rose a bit up to 90 so I had to water every 2 days. The helpers I added are a tea using worm castings, actual tea(I like tea so I second brew it to use, a pinch of epsom salts, and a bit of my older compost( made from hydrilla that grows in the lake( I use a garden rake to harvest and dry it on part of my dock), grass clippings and cypress leaves) which makes a tea that is tannic and the plants love it.

I have been keeping the PH level at 6.8 rather easily since my well water is neutral but does have minerals in it. I had the water tested when I bought the property and it contains Calcium, dissolved limestone and other traces minerals. My mom taught me to put Milk of Magnisia(spelling) in my plant water and I always have, it contains enough magnesium to make the plants happy and as she said "if it makes your belly happy it will make the plants the same". She would grow award winning roses and Lilies. oh yeah! Mom also would add a fish to her transplants pots, she said the indians used it as fertilizer so why can't we, and I do the same. I add a little fish guts from when I go fishing and after I clean em, to the soil(yes it stinks a lil but disappears after a few days).

I just noticed that on the pics that you actually see on a small portion of the lights. I pull the hood up that has 8 more 47 watt cfl bulbs out of the way for the pics.

Well enough jabbering and on with the pics.

a well cooked Monster

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Ozzie
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Harriet
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The Runt
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The Box setup now after transplant
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Hope you enjoy the posts and as I said before if you have something to add or say, do it! Lifes to short to have things rattling around in your head!:thanks:
 
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Buck? Think I should get some dramatic background music? Sorry about all the dramatics but I had just got back from chemo and had to take my meds and was wiped out.

I was not saying you were being dramatic... just that it seemed to be going like that in the threads. I hope and say a prayer for you that the misery of chemo is short lived and does its job. :peace:
 
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thats sweet not even steppenwolf could kill the monster:) and thank you all for your service to our country:peace: man I hope what you have to go through makes you better:circle-of-love:
 
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This bring back any memories? :cheesygrinsmiley: this is by far the most powerful cannabis I have ever smoked ...

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Buck

The Thai I was used to was the diameter of a D cell battery and about 6 inches long. I used to ship em back home inside of flashlights.

The best I ever had came from Kenya. It was sold in joints that were about 5-6 inches long and about the size of a good cigar and were wrapped in its own leaves. You finish 1/2 of a joint and woke up the next day still buzzed! Got to see some of it growing and the plants were 20 foot tall and had leaves that were 12-14" long. Would love to know if that type was still grown there.

And I am a drama queen! LOL As for the chemo it does what it does and I do what I gotta do to cope.

Fish, I get the impression I could have used a butane lighter on the monster and it would like it. Its growing small branches like crazy and hasn't slowed down the growth except what got burnt. I'll try to get good close up pics of it later to post.
 
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outstanding! glad to hear that she could take a beating and keep on ticking:) can not and I mean can not wait for this grow to show its potentential good luck sir and keep us updated:cheertwo:
 
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Buck

The Thai I was used to was the diameter of a D cell battery and about 6 inches long. I used to ship em back home inside of flashlights.

Holy Smokes! I would have loved to get my hands on those!!!! I would still be there! :-D
 
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Happy Birthday America!!!!!!!!!!!:cheertwo:

This is the beginning of week 3 since the monster poked its head out the dirt and its been a wild time already!

Started feeding the monster yesterday with Fox Farms big grow, 1/4 strenght.

When I started this grow I said that the seeds were from Viet Nam and thought it was all one type but not so sure now. The monster and Ozzie and Harriet seem to be of one type but the runt sure looks like a different type all together. Where as the 3 before mentioned are bushy and have a broad leaf, the runt is looking like it really wants to get tall and lanky. And it has taken a weird bent to it(as pic will show) and is bending like it is doing its own LST!

My friend the professor who is a botanist called this morning and said that prolimenary findings place the seed from Southeast Asia but he could not definitively say exactly where. Pollen(tree and fern) found on the seeds were from plants in that region but are from a large region not just Viet Nam or Thailand, but hey! we are in the ballpark!

With what I use as soil and the helpers I all ready use I dont want to over do the nutrients. I mostly added the Big Grow for the worm castings as that is something I dont have alot of.

Now for the pictures.

Monster
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Ozzie
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Harriet
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Runt: notice the bend!
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hey brother are you useing a fan on your mystery girls? glad to see the monster is making a come back. and the rest of (YOUR GARDEN PARTY) is also looking good and HAPPY BIRTHDAY AMERICA:party:
 
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Fish,
Yes I have a puter fan that is above the hood that blows down toward the plants(helps keep temps up, more explanation later) and a bathroom exhaust fan that is also above the hood to exhaust heat. The exhaust fan just exhausts to the room(The upstairs is my mancave so if it starts to get funky from the grows so I just sit back and enjoy the aroma!!!!!)

Now for the explanation on the placement of the what I call circulation fan. I said that I use it to keep heat up, what I meant was to make it even and controlled. When I first started doing grows in the room I noticed that the heat under the hood was alot higher than above so I started the exhaust fan but then noticed that because the box is in a controlled enviroment room the temps would sometimes be below what the plants needed during dark hours(like when the AC is running). I then wanted some heat that builds up in the reflectors metal to help keep the temps around the plants to stay constant(this being VN weed, I researched and found ambient temps for the area to be near 88 degrees). This fan blows on the reflector and circulates the air/heat to help keep it constant but does not blow directly on the plants.

I get fresh air into the box throught the bottom of the door which I built 1/2" short so to allow fresh air in. I can block this opening during flowering so as to keep in the CO2 and block light.
 
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right on man sounds like your head is screwed on tight. I'am gonna sit back and watch:thumb:
 
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OK to answer a couple of questions people have asked.

The grow box is made out of a 2x2" frameing lumber that is covered with 1/2" plywood and painted with flat white acrylic paint(I repaint or touch up after every grow after I clean it). It has a door on the front that opens the whole box because I'm getting to damn old to try to sit or lay on the floor to play with the plants. I stole an idea from a grow on here to make the lighting hood using a piece of vent(think it was Boss' idea) with 8 cfls under it using different light fittings. No I dont use MPS or HID lights because I'm cheap! and the cfls do the trick. I have 8 natural light bulbs rated at 6400 lumiens which provide 51200 lumien in the hood and 6 other cfls on the back of the box. These 6 are natural and cool white bulbs. Nothing scientific about the set up, just what works for me and gives me my results. My last grow was 2 bagseed plants that gave me 1.7 oz dry weight total. sorry no pics due to not having a camera.


My soil is a mixture of Fox Farms Ocean Forest, my own compost, Vermiculite and Perlite. My compost is made from (Hydrilla(a water weed), grass clippings, some cypress leaves(I like my compost tannic) and some veg table scraps along with a couple of handcufs of earth worms). I made a wood box that is on a set of legs. The box can be rotated to keep a good mix and rainwater can help keep the compost damp. I actually have 2 of these boxes so I have a constant supply for the grow and mine and my mom in laws flower beds.

I started using Fox Farms Grow Big a while ago for my flower beds and loved how it helped the plants so I just carried it over to my meds. Mostly for the Phosphates and Potash but also to bump up the castings.

My helper(added nutrients), I make a tea in a 5 gallon bucket which I add a couple of handfulls of my compost, about 1/2 gallon of rebrewed Liptons tea, literaly a pinch of Epsom salts, maybe a handful of worm castings, and if the PH isn't right, a little bit of lemon juice and fill about 3/4 way with water. This is set aside with a air bubbler for about 2 days. I stain the juice off and add this to my watering or use as a foliar spray near the end of the Veg stage. I've used this on all my plants for years not just the meds and have only burnt 1 plant when I screwed up and over watered it before a vacation. Nothing scientific about it, its just what Mom taught me and I learned over the years.

The seeds had been in storage in my brothers house and not the garage or attics so they were never subjected to extremes of heat or cold and were vaccumed packed inside of a old K-ration package(orginal packaging date on bag was 1954, I ate the food in 1970) I dont know if it was VN or Thai because we got what we got over there and usually cleaned it of sticks and stuff to roll it so it wasn't on sticks in the package I sent.

I was in the Navy in SE Asia but didn't step foot on a boat for the first 2 years I was there. Though stationed in Saigon I was rarely there.

I learned alot of what I know from my Mom and her Mother (who was an herbologist(spelling). I have a picture of my Grandmom in her backyard standing infront of her plants(MJ), which are about 5 foot tall. Sorry I won't post, to protect the innocent. Weed was legal back then and known as a medication.

Nope I dont mind answering question because that is how we learn.
 
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Wow such and amazing grow area you built, very clean and tidy!! I am glad that your injured one is recovering and it is interesting to know that you had the seeds tested, I wasn't aware they could even do that, pretty cool :) Also was reading your compost mixture, sounds like a really good mixture :) Are you planning on taking any clones or keeping the genetics alive being that there so old and untouched :)

Can't wait to see this grow all the way through!!
 
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Ice,

I am really hoping to get atleast 1 male going so I can get a female to seed. I'm not big on clones(The process is labor intensive where seeds you just stick em in dirt and watch), so I am hoping to get some seeds. Yes I really do want to keep this (for lack of a better name) genome going. These plants are so different from any other I have grown. The fan leaves look a little strange, being they are weird shaped (look like they are wrinkled), and hardy! I have never burnt a plant as bad as the Monster and had it live and that thing just seemed to shrug it off and has gone a bit nuts! It will probably be the bushiest plant I have ever seen if it keeps on the way its going.

As fore getting the seeds analized, I have found out that there are a couple of companies in the US and atleast 1 overseas that are keeping records of the Mj genome, in hopes that there will be a hemp market again someday. My friend did a very rudimentary check of pollen that was on the seed(and some plant material) for other plant contamination. That was how he placed the seeds from SE Asia, not by the genome type. I'm not really sure if that can be done or not.

Hoping I get all the Hunydos out the way today and I want to get some close up pictures(if they turn out due to cheap camera) of the leaves on these plants.

I have been wondering if I should clip off the leaves that got burnt. I worried the plant is spending to much energy on trying to heal the leaves instead of growth.

By the way, I loved reading about your V-scrog and it got me rather interested. I have done Scroging before but wondered myself about the V-scrog.
 
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A little update here.

Got to thinking ( yes a mind is a terrible thing to waste but dangerous to use!) about the burnt leaves on Monster, it seemed to me the plant was putting to much energy into trying to heal the leaves so I trimmed them.

I have been telling people about the weird shaped leaves on these plants and trying to discribe them is hard but found out taking pictures is harder.

When the leaves form they are sort of twisted and wrinkled but do eventually straighten out by still have the wrinkled appearence. Don't know if it is the cell structure or just the texture of this type of leaf.

Heres a few pictures.

A trimmed Monster.
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Ozzie
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Harriet
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7/12/12 Update

All the plants look to be doing well. The monster still hasn't recovered from the burn but is growing. Ozzie, Harriet and Runt are doing real well. Started lsting Ozzie and will probably start on Harriet this weekend.

Started cutting back the clock on the plants. Am now running the lights 13/11 and will gradully get to 12/12 by this time next week. Will let the plants get a week of so of 12/12 and will start feeding them Foxfarms Big Bloom plus my additives.

Monster
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Ozzie
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Harriet
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Runt
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The whole gang
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7/16/12 update:

I knew I should have built a larger cabinet!!!!! Ozzie and Harriet are growing like mad! Runt is doing well and Monster just seems to be stuck.

I have been LSTing both Ozzie and Harriet and they are acting like they want the whole cabinet. I went to 12/12 earlier this week and Ozzie and Harriet are showing pistils. So thats 2 females so far!!!! I have been slowly for the last week and a half extending dark hours and it seems to excellerated these 2 plants to start showing sex.

I have now added Foxfarms Big Bloom to the feeding schedule. I water every other day (about 6oz) with Grow Big on one feeding and Big Bloom on the next. I still add my additives every watering. Checking the PH I started to notice it going a bit aciddic so I started adding lime to bring back to 6.8, which is working out well.

I have been reading up on addding CO2 and am getting the materials together to make a yeast bottle delivery system that will fit into the cabinet.

Here are the latest pictures.
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Tried to get some pictures of the pistils but this isnt the best camera in the world
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