300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration

Re: 420 Cannasumer Reports Competition - GrowLEDHydro 300w LED vs. 400w HID

Is there any detectable difference in aroma between the delectable divas in each tent? One thing that I like to check [microscopically] is how much frosting is on the little side leaves of the bud, specifically, how much goo, how far it goes down the leaflet towards the tip, and how close it gets to the midrib of said leaflet. If you can't see the midrib through the goo, it will be better for you.:rollit:


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after proper preparation, I will journey through the microspherical realm this evening
 
Re: 420 Cannasumer Reports Competition - GrowLEDHydro 300w LED vs. 400w HID

long but intersting and great thread you have here. it took me a while to finally get on here and a while to read thru it. but great. love the comparison grow. :welldone:
+ reps
if it will let me
 
Re: 420 Cannasumer Reports Competition - GrowLEDHydro 300w LED vs. 400w HID

Ok, this may be a little soon, but how do CRFs taste? Because I assume there is no flushing. Or is there??
 
Re: 420 Cannasumer Reports Competition - GrowLEDHydro 300w LED vs. 400w HID

Ok, this may be a little soon, but how do CRFs taste? Because I assume there is no flushing. Or is there??

They taste fantastic. The PPM's never get over 300.

There's no need at all to flush. SS will back me up on that....he's done his own grows with OC+ and he was able to try someone else's OC+ product.

Mine taste fine without a cure. Much, much better than with conventional nutes.

Also, you can flush with OC+. Turn down the temps in your room to the low 60's at night and low 70's during the day. Not necessary at all, but you can do it.
 
Re: 420 Cannasumer Reports Competition - GrowLEDHydro 300w LED vs. 400w HID

Hey SS. Your ladies are awesome! I have a question... what prompted you to try coco as a medium? Had you heard of some advantages to it, or just out of curiosity? I'm still in the planning stages heare, but am looking at a good potting soil/perlite mix, or peat moss/perlite. Do you of any outright disadvantages of either of these mediums? Thanks again for all the info.

T.C.


High T.C.!

thank you for the compliment ;).

What prompted me is that it's unique as a medium, and it provides all the benefits that I want/need in a medium.

Nothing wrong with using other media. I plan to continue using them, but if I want faster speed, bigger yields, both *excellent* aeration and water retention, less risk of pests, built-in hormones that benefit the roots, increased protection for the roots from heat, increased resistance to fungal infections, excellent matrix for root stability, excellent wettability, excellent wicking, and probably other things I'm leaving out, there's only one medium that can do all that, coco coir.

Growers experienced with it, like CocoJoe, have found it extremely forgiving once they learned it's ins and outs.

It's an active medium, with a learning curve, but as I mentioned in another thread, that learning curve isn't due to having to compensate for weaknesses, it's to learn how to exploit it's benefits, which are considerable.

are you sorry you asked?

I hope not, cause here's more, lol:

Coco coir is a proven best alternative to any growing media. Its use as a growing medium outperforms any other medium used for growing vegetables, ornamentals and tree plants. Its soft structure promotes easy root penetration and healthy growth. Coco coir is 100% environmentally friendly. It is a renewable resource that is consistent in quality. Coco coir has the best physical and chemical properties to promote better plant growth.

- Coco has high water-holding capacity. It can hold water up to eight times of its weight and release it over a period of time.
- Coco has ideal pH in the range of 6-6.7
- It has excellent drainage and air porosity for better plant growth
- Coco is very low in EC and carries mostly potassium salts, which is an essential major plant nutrient
- Cation exchange capacity is very good
- Coco coir has some anti-fungal properties that help plants to get rid of soil borne diseases. It inhibits pathogens like Pithium
- Coco is very easy to re-hydrate after being dehydrated
- It is a biodegradable source that degrades very slowly and has a life of three to four years
- Contains significant amounts of phosphorous (10-50ppm) and potassium (150-450 ppm)

As mentioned above Coco coir is not just a natural product with very good properties for plant growth - it also has some winning advantages over other growing mediums.

Advantages of Coco Coir
- It is a 100% renewable resource
- Coco coir is light in weight
- It is consistent in high quality
- Coco coir is completely environmentally friendly
- The top of the product layer in grow bags/pots always remain dry, leaving behind no chances of fungal growth
- Coco coir never shrinks, cracks or produces crust
- It promotes better root systems in a short time
- Coco coir is odorless, pleasant to handle, and uniform in composition




I would take issue about the "consistent in quality" point.

It's far from consistent in quality. So while it's gotten more consistent in quality, I'd suggest rinsing the hell out of it if you're in doubt, or going with one of the few brands that definitely rinse and prep it properly before packaging it.

Oh, and it's only pleasant to handle if you're into wookies, lol.
 
re: GrowLEDHydro 300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration

One more quality of coir, particularly dear to me: very inexpensive ;)

I take issue with one point in Racefan's post,
Coco works best for dwc, ebb and flow and especially great for a run to waste set up.
the dwc part. He later clarifies a bit, about not totally flooding coir. Deep water culture needs only bubbles, or enough circulation to aerate. RDWC looks quite viable, but not with coir.

I will volunteer my opinion of my most recent, $11 block of Coco-Tek by GH: excellent. Slightly coarser(a good thing) and clean. I got less red stain when I flushed fresh-filled grow-pots. I hope my grow shop gets more of the same ;)
 
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Beautiful work as always SS, the frost on those LED girls looks amazing!

Your thread is $$, tons of great discussion. Go Go CRF Revolution! I have to throw my vote in there for a CMH grow next time. You do such an amazing job setting up comparison grows that really do eliminate a lot of outside variables. With all the mixed info about CMH bulbs, I'd love to see what you could show. You've already made a big impact in the LED world.

:peace:

Marley
 
Re: 420 Cannasumer Reports Competition - GrowLEDHydro 300w LED vs. 400w HID

High T.C.!

thank you for the compliment ;).

What prompted me is that it's unique as a medium, and it provides all the benefits that I want/need in a medium.

Nothing wrong with using other media. I plan to continue using them, but if I want faster speed, bigger yields, both *excellent* aeration and water retention, less risk of pests, built-in hormones that benefit the roots, increased protection for the roots from heat, increased resistance to fungal infections, excellent matrix for root stability, excellent wettability, excellent wicking, and probably other things I'm leaving out, there's only one medium that can do all that, coco coir.

Growers experienced with it, like CocoJoe, have found it extremely forgiving once they learned it's ins and outs.

It's an active medium, with a learning curve, but as I mentioned in another thread, that learning curve isn't due to having to compensate for weaknesses, it's to learn how to exploit it's benefits, which are considerable.

are you sorry you asked?

I hope not, cause here's more, lol:

Coco coir is a proven best alternative to any growing media. Its use as a growing medium outperforms any other medium used for growing vegetables, ornamentals and tree plants. Its soft structure promotes easy root penetration and healthy growth. Coco coir is 100% environmentally friendly. It is a renewable resource that is consistent in quality. Coco coir has the best physical and chemical properties to promote better plant growth.

- Coco has high water-holding capacity. It can hold water up to eight times of its weight and release it over a period of time.
- Coco has ideal pH in the range of 6-6.7
- It has excellent drainage and air porosity for better plant growth
- Coco is very low in EC and carries mostly potassium salts, which is an essential major plant nutrient
- Cation exchange capacity is very good
- Coco coir has some anti-fungal properties that help plants to get rid of soil borne diseases. It inhibits pathogens like Pithium
- Coco is very easy to re-hydrate after being dehydrated
- It is a biodegradable source that degrades very slowly and has a life of three to four years
- Contains significant amounts of phosphorous (10-50ppm) and potassium (150-450 ppm)

As mentioned above Coco coir is not just a natural product with very good properties for plant growth - it also has some winning advantages over other growing mediums.

Advantages of Coco Coir
- It is a 100% renewable resource
- Coco coir is light in weight
- It is consistent in high quality
- Coco coir is completely environmentally friendly
- The top of the product layer in grow bags/pots always remain dry, leaving behind no chances of fungal growth
- Coco coir never shrinks, cracks or produces crust
- It promotes better root systems in a short time
- Coco coir is odorless, pleasant to handle, and uniform in composition




I would take issue about the "consistent in quality" point.

It's far from consistent in quality. So while it's gotten more consistent in quality, I'd suggest rinsing the hell out of it if you're in doubt, or going with one of the few brands that definitely rinse and prep it properly before packaging it.

Oh, and it's only pleasant to handle if you're into wookies, lol.

:thanks: Thats one of many things I love about these forums. Always seems to be an abundance of good info. Later!

TC
 
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I wanna see SS do a grow where he tries to get the best possible product in any way possible...no rules....just maximize everything as he sees fit.

the results of this grow should give me lots of good info on maximizing yields.

Of course, for coming up with the idea, I am entitled to half the crop from that grow. :420:

only if you let me use your fancy new grow room, lol
 
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Sweat, thank you :)

you're welcome bro ;)

One more quality of coir, particularly dear to me: very inexpensive ;)

I take issue with one point in Racefan's post,

the dwc part. He later clarifies a bit, about not totally flooding coir. Deep water culture needs only bubbles, or enough circulation to aerate. RDWC looks quite viable, but not with coir.

I will volunteer my opinion of my most recent, $11 block of Coco-Tek by GH: excellent. Slightly coarser(a good thing) and clean. I got less red stain when I flushed fresh-filled grow-pots. I hope my grow shop gets more of the same ;)

thanks for clarifying that PG, much appreciated.

thanks also for the feedback on the GH Coco-Tek brick. The Hydrofarm brick appeared to be good quality with nice texture, but they didn't rinse it well, and to make things worse, their instructions for using it say all you need to do is hydrate it and you're good to go.

I think I'll drop them a constructive note about that.
 
Re: 420 Cannasumer Reports Competition - GrowLEDHydro 300w LED vs. 400w HID

They taste fantastic. The PPM's never get over 300.

There's no need at all to flush. SS will back me up on that....he's done his own grows with OC+ and he was able to try someone else's OC+ product.

Mine taste fine without a cure. Much, much better than with conventional nutes.

Also, you can flush with OC+. Turn down the temps in your room to the low 60's at night and low 70's during the day. Not necessary at all, but you can do it.


I will back you up on that.

These CRF's just give your plants what they need, so there is no build-up of excess nutes that you need to flush out.

The two Sunset Kush I harvested on my last grow smell and taste just fine.

Well, one of them does anyway, the other one is now a chunk of hash and a batch of cookies, but they taste good too ;).
 
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Bring back some memories SS?;)
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Beautiful work as always SS, the frost on those LED girls looks amazing!

Your thread is $$, tons of great discussion. Go Go CRF Revolution! I have to throw my vote in there for a CMH grow next time. You do such an amazing job setting up comparison grows that really do eliminate a lot of outside variables. With all the mixed info about CMH bulbs, I'd love to see what you could show. You've already made a big impact in the LED world.

:peace:

Marley


:thankyou: Marley ;)

These grows aren't easy to do for a lot of reasons, but it's a labor of love for me to do them. If it wasn't a labor of love, I wouldn't have enough energy.

It's so rewarding to hear you say that I've had any degree of impact in helping others grow a medicinal herb that I so strongly believe in.

I love growing, but that love pales in comparison to how much I love helping others grow.

Very encouraging and uplifting post Marley, and I very much appreciated and needed that today;).
 
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