300W LED vs. 400W HID Demonstration

[IrishBoy]

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things look very nice and even.. good job.

you really lollipoped those girls thats for sure.. IDK if you have lollipoped them like this before? i use to do it like this and some strains you wont have to LST them because they will all grow even since you are putting more energy to those branches. then if you lollipop all the sucker branches before flowering you will get some donkey dick colas. but of course you only want to do this is the canopy is real dense or they are very tall.

when i use to trim them like you did i called them palm tree's

I always bury my girls deep, and works better for me, they will hit the res real quick in Hempy buckets.

 

[Setting Sun]

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thanks bro!

No, I've never lollypopped like that before, but I've been thinking about it ever since bel mentioned it, and I thought it was a good idea.

You think I might not have to LST? That would be cool. Guess we can decide according to their growth pattern down the line.

This is one of the articles I read on it before grabbing my snips. I wouldn't have been that aggressive with the pruning, but I read a few articles and all the pics showed aggressive lollypopping.

Tomato Planting and Growing Tips

thanks again Irish!

 

[IrishBoy]

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thanks bro!

No, I've never lollypopped like that before, but I've been thinking about it ever since bel mentioned it, and I thought it was a good idea.

You think I might not have to LST? That would be cool. Guess we can decide according to their growth pattern down the line.

This is one of the articles I read on it before grabbing my snips. I wouldn't have been that aggressive with the pruning, but I read a few articles and all the pics showed aggressive lollypopping.

Tomato Planting and Growing Tips

thanks again Irish!

Ive been lollipoping for a long time, their is a fine line of clipping too much. ive never crossed it or seen it crossed. what i do is every other day i snip away the sucker branches or lower branches that wont get too much light. its always works good for me. IMO the key to lollipoping is doing it when you have healthy plants, so the stress dosent bother them too much. when cutting; if a lower branch looks thick and like it will support a good size bud leave it, you only want the sucker branches the ones that are skinny and thin, they will only grow little popcorn buds that arnt worth it to me. its a whole lot easier to trim nice fat colas at harvest then those pain in the ass popcorn buds that take forever and are lower grade bud and weigh nothing, when lollipoping, the top buds will get more frosty also IMO because theirs more energy going into that bud, you might also see them not put on too much growth for a day or so after u trim them.

IMO on the led plants you wont have to LST them since they dont stretch too much branches should stay close to around the same height from what i have seen and thats with Savitas. Now i think the HID plants will need to be LST because of stretching, so their for you might have to LST them all to keep it fair. allot of this has to do with the strain and the temps overall and the flex of temps between night and day IMO. either way your HID girls probably will be taller.

allot of people will say to lollipop a few weeks before flowering, but i disagree with that, i have found it to be fine to do during the 1st few weeks as long as the bottom buds haven't already started foring a desent amount. every time Ive lollipoped before flowering the branches just grew back or shot up somewhere els on the lower reign of the plant once 12/12 it wont be so bad and that energy will go to the buds instead of a tone of branches and leafs that will make your canopy very dense and block light.

i got the bigger version of your lollipop girlslol

 

[Setting Sun]

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I'm not much of a lollypopper, because I believe the lower fan leaves feed the root system.

The only reason I removed the lower branches from these girls is so I can bury the stem, not to send more energy to the tops.

If it wasn't for transplanting them deep tomorrow, I wouldn't have pruned them.

Any fan leaf that's green is a friend of mine .

 

[IrishBoy]

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I'm not much of a lollypopper, because I believe the lower fan leaves feed the root system.

The only reason I removed the lower branches from these girls is so I can bury the stem, not to send more energy to the tops.

If it wasn't for transplanting them deep tomorrow, I wouldn't have pruned them.

Any fan leaf that's green is a friend of mine .

ive heard that before that it feeds the root system, witch might be true but ive always had better yield from lolliopoing so i never cared about if that was true because my buds were always better quality up top and weighed more. if they dont get light they will die anyways.. if your plants are short and canopy is not dense then theirs really no need to lollipop then unless if its to bury then deeper.. but when you have real dense canopy's or tall plants like mine, its a very good idea to lollipop.. i am not saying all plants should be lollipoped, example why would someone lollipop those last plants you just harvested? that would be pointless and you would lose yield. but given a grow like mime, why would you leave the bottom branches, and have to bottom leaves just die anyways from lack of light, even if some of them live they will just produce small fluffy buds that wouldn't be worth smoking, but they still robed your upper buds of energy, so its a loss all the way around.. lolliopoing is good in certain situations IMO.. everyone has their own opinions on this subject, you could do a google search and find plenty of flame wars on this topic, so i just tried it out and went with what worked for me and my growing style.

 

[go green]

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Ss, Where did you get your tents, and can you still get them today?

-Go

 

[Setting Sun]

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yep, lollypopping is controversial, and should be in the "mythbusters" thread if it's not already on there.

I'm sure there's circumstances where it's beneficial and some where it's not, so it's a matter of knowing what those are.

If you've got a decent root system, you can afford to shunt some energy upstairs.


On a different note, I'm loving doing the drying and curing with the little RH meters!

We've had a heat wave, so the buds felt dry and crispy, but when I jarred them, they were at 81%, which is a no-no. Shouldn't be jarred until they're below 70%, so back out they went.

The stems, which felt almost ready to snap, got all soft again in the jars from the moisture hidden deep in the buds. It's nice to have some numbers!

I only ordered three of the little digital meters from some ebay vendor, but I'm going to order about three more.

they give much peace of mind, and with the weather fluctuations, they really help me to make good decisions.

I was sure they were dry enough.

 

[Setting Sun]

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Ss, Where did you get your tents, and can you still get them today?

-Go

I got them from an online vendor that I can't recommend because shipping took too long, but Secret Jardin DR80 tents are still available from various vendors.

If you google it, you should get lots of hits.

The GrowLab tents are similar, and they have a GL80, which I think is the same size, but it appears they have more issues with light leaks than the Secret Jardin tents.

I could not be happier with my DR80's. Well, yes I could. I wish they were 3' X 3' instead of 32" x 32", because there's some gear I'm interested in that doesn't quite fit, but that was my choice and I can live with it.

The reflective properties with the 300w Spectra LED and the 400w HID are very good. Walls are in close enough to bounce a lot of light down and aid penetration.

 

[IrishBoy]

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yep, lollypopping is controversial, and should be in the "mythbusters" thread if it's not already on there.

I'm sure there's circumstances where it's beneficial and some where it's not, so it's a matter of knowing what those are.

If you've got a decent root system, you can afford to shunt some energy upstairs.


On a different note, I'm loving doing the drying and curing with the little RH meters!

We've had a heat wave, so the buds felt dry and crispy, but when I jarred them, they were at 81%, which is a no-no. Shouldn't be jarred until they're below 70%, so back out they went.

The stems, which felt almost ready to snap, got all soft again in the jars from the moisture hidden deep in the buds. It's nice to have some numbers!

I only ordered three of the little digital meters from some ebay vendor, but I'm going to order about three more.

they give much peace of mind, and with the weather fluctuations, they really help me to make good decisions.

I was sure they were dry enough.

ya I love curing that way. however i am sure you have the same meters as me if i remember right? Ive notice not all of mine read the same they all differ, so their not 100% accurate but close enough, thought i would give you a heads up. keep an eye on them.. i let mine get to 62% before i leave them closed for a while. if you need that guide i still have it.

Can i ask where you heard or how you know the cutting the lower branches effects the root system?

 

[Setting Sun]

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ya I love curing that way. however i am sure you have the same meters as me if i remember right? Ive notice not all of mine read the same they all differ, so their not 100% accurate but close enough, thought i would give you a heads up. keep an eye on them.. i let mine get to 62% before i leave them closed for a while. if you need that guide i still have it.

I think I'm using the same guide we talked about a while back, but if you could PM me the guide, I'd appreciate it.

My three meters are very close to each other in RH and temp readings, so hopefully they're all reading OK, lol

Can i ask where you heard or how you know the cutting the lower branches effects the root system?

I've read it in several sources, here's a good one:

Marijuana-Marihuana | Mr. Greens Grow Video | Growing Tips | Growing Consensus Synopsis Paper | Leav

 

[HorseBadoritz]

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SS and Irish, I've looked on ebay for those meters, and I don't think I'm finding the same ones. Irish's seemed tiny, compared to what I see. Can you post the link here? If not, PM? I'd appreciate it, thanks.

 

[dogsnova]

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The only reason I removed the lower branches from these girls is so I can bury the stem

I think this technique was around before SOG lolly poppin'....

 

[Setting Sun]

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SS and Irish, I've looked on ebay for those meters, and I don't think I'm finding the same ones. Irish's seemed tiny, compared to what I see. Can you post the link here? If not, PM? I'd appreciate it, thanks.

sho nuff my friend:

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[Setting Sun]

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I heeded TL's advice on aluminum and root toxicity and put together a proper DIY cloner.

We'll see how it works. They sure look perky and happy.

 

[HorseBadoritz]

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sho nuff my friend:

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[oldhippybiker]

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Maybe late, but I'm in. Sounds interesting and I have an order of PPP on it's way.

 

[IrishBoy]

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I think I'm using the same guide we talked about a while back, but if you could PM me the guide, I'd appreciate it.

My three meters are very close to each other in RH and temp readings, so hopefully they're all reading OK, lol



I've read it in several sources, here's a good one:

Marijuana-Marihuana | Mr. Greens Grow Video | Growing Tips | Growing Consensus Synopsis Paper | Leav

i think i have a few different ones but ill send the good one to you, its probably the one i showed you a long time ago.

my meters differ by a % or 2, but they differ like 3-5% from my RH/temp meter in my grow room, so somethings off on one of my units.lol..

thanks for the link ill check it out

 

[IrishBoy]

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hope you dont mind SS? i just wanted to post this for others and so we dont have to PM every one with this info.

Here is a copy of the guide that the person who thought of this idea posted.. credit must be given to a grower named Simon

This method is particularly effective for folks who are starting out, those looking to maximize quality in a shorter period of time, and folks who's like to produce a connoisseur-quality product each and every time with no guesswork involved.

It's a very simple and effective process:

Cut the product, trim it per your preference, but don't dry it until the stems snap. Take it down while the stems still have some flex, but the product feel dry on the outside. This is a perfect opportunity to drop the dry-feeling flowers onto a screen and collect prime-quality kief that would otherwise get lost in the jar.

Jar the product, along with a Caliber III hygrometer. One can be had on Ebay for ~$20. Having tested a number of hygrometers - digital and analog - this model in particular produced consistent, accurate results. Then, watch the readings:

+70% RH - too wet, needs to sit outside the jar to dry for 12-24 hours, depending.

65-70% RH - the product is almost in the cure zone, if you will. It can be slowly brought to optimum RH by opening the lid for 2-4 hours.

60-65% RH - the stems snap, the product feels a bit sticky, and it is curing.

55-60% RH - at this point it can be stored for an extended period (3 months or more) without worrying about mold. The product will continue to cure.

Below 55% RH - the RH is too low for the curing process to take place. The product starts to feel brittle. Once you've hit this point, nothing will make it better. Adding moisture won't restart the curing process; it will just make the product wet. If you measure a RH below 55% don't panic. Read below:

Obviously, the product need time to sweat in the jar. As such, accurate readings won't be seen for ~24 hours, assuming the flowers are in the optimal cure zone. If you're curing the product for long-term storage, give the flowers 4-5 days for an accurate reading. If the product is sill very wet, a +70% RH reading will show within hours. If you see the RH rising ~1% per hour, keep a close eye on the product, as it's likely too moist.

 

[Setting Sun]

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Don't mind a bit, thanks for posting it!

 

[Setting Sun]

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i think i have a few different ones but ill send the good one to you, its probably the one i showed you a long time ago.

my meters differ by a % or 2, but they differ like 3-5% from my RH/temp meter in my grow room, so somethings off on one of my units.lol..

thanks for the link ill check it out

thanks for the guide bro, the cure is going very well


here's an excerpt from that cite:

"Upper leaves bring sucrose to shoot apical meristem and young leaves while lower leaves bring goodies to roots (UK Tricky Knome, 03.17.2002). Remove the source and the sink will be affected (Diels Alder, 03.15.2002). The leaves at the top of a plant tend to supply the top growing shoots. The leaves at the bottom of the plant tend to supply the roots. The middle leaves can go either way as the demand changes. During flowering and fruiting, only the very bottom leaves supply the roots and the rest of the leaves try to get as much energy as possible to the flowers of fruits. For this reason, the more leaves are unshaded and in good light, the more chance the plant has of creating extra storage of energy that will ultimately go into yield."