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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
OC+ has nearly equal amounts of ammoniacal and nitrate forms of nitrogen. Those two lower and raise pH respectively, so the balance should be close to neutral.
The other nutes in OC+ are mostly chelated, so they'll absorb at any pH range. In hempy's I've had consistent trouble with calcium....until I started using tap water and OC+....no problems since.
I had one plant with a zinc deficiency, which was quickly fixed with 2 doses of Liquinox.
I'm learning a ton of stuff about pH and soil culture, etc. The most interesting thing I've learned is that pH isn't really that important....but total Alkalinity is. In other words, the pH of the water can be adjusted.....but the overall acid buffering capacity of the water----total alkalinity----does it's own thing once in the medium. In other words, if the total alkalinity of your tap water is high....pHing it down to optimal levels will still result in raising the pH of the medium.
Use of high alkalinity waters in container-grown crops result in significant increases in soil pH. These increases result not from water pH as is commonly thought, but from the accumulation of bicarbonates deposited from repeated applications of irrigation water. Deficiencies of iron, manganese, copper and zinc are common where high alkalinity waters are being used. Alkalinity, not water pH, causes soil pH increases. Low alkalinity, high pH waters in most cases will not be a problem.
So, a fast, easy way to reduce total alkalinity is the mix tap water with RO, and pH that mix. Using straight RO will often lead to deficiencies. The minerals in tap water are important for plants!
OC+ has nearly equal amounts of ammoniacal and nitrate forms of nitrogen. Those two lower and raise pH respectively, so the balance should be close to neutral.
The other nutes in OC+ are mostly chelated, so they'll absorb at any pH range. In hempy's I've had consistent trouble with calcium....until I started using tap water and OC+....no problems since.
I had one plant with a zinc deficiency, which was quickly fixed with 2 doses of Liquinox.
I'm learning a ton of stuff about pH and soil culture, etc. The most interesting thing I've learned is that pH isn't really that important....but total Alkalinity is. In other words, the pH of the water can be adjusted.....but the overall acid buffering capacity of the water----total alkalinity----does it's own thing once in the medium. In other words, if the total alkalinity of your tap water is high....pHing it down to optimal levels will still result in raising the pH of the medium.
Use of high alkalinity waters in container-grown crops result in significant increases in soil pH. These increases result not from water pH as is commonly thought, but from the accumulation of bicarbonates deposited from repeated applications of irrigation water. Deficiencies of iron, manganese, copper and zinc are common where high alkalinity waters are being used. Alkalinity, not water pH, causes soil pH increases. Low alkalinity, high pH waters in most cases will not be a problem.
So, a fast, easy way to reduce total alkalinity is the mix tap water with RO, and pH that mix. Using straight RO will often lead to deficiencies. The minerals in tap water are important for plants!
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
yep, I forgot to mention that I added Superthrive to my transplant spray water. It does help reduce transplant shock.
thanks for the link, I like those pots.
and thanks doc, for your detailed OC+ and PH info!
I'm going to PH my tap water down to 6.0 or thereabouts and see how it goes. If I get too much salts building up, I'll use 50/50 tap/RO. Great idea!
yep, I forgot to mention that I added Superthrive to my transplant spray water. It does help reduce transplant shock.
thanks for the link, I like those pots.
and thanks doc, for your detailed OC+ and PH info!
I'm going to PH my tap water down to 6.0 or thereabouts and see how it goes. If I get too much salts building up, I'll use 50/50 tap/RO. Great idea!
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
thats for the great info! just what i was looking for
the biggest conspiracy in led history!! i just order even bigger FAKE RUBBER colas for this current grow to scam everyone more. by the way i am going to get 3.gw with this grow using just water. since i scammed everyone so bad with my .76gw or whatever it was with my last grow?LMAO. why didnt i just say the famous 1.gw to sale more of these lights? stupid me. everyone brake out the check books and send me ur money!!!!yes, it's a huge conspiracy, lol
don't forget to mail me those fake rubber colas you used for your last harvest pics
thats for the great info! just what i was looking for
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
Doc, you answered the question that I was about to ask. My tap water is 7.13 pH and 416 ppm. I'm not sure what the makeup of the minerals is, but I may send a sample out for testing to get a breakdown.
I've been following a few grows here (Irish, SS, MMMick) and will be starting a grow when I get back fro a family vacation at the end of the month. I will start my own journal so as not to "jack" anyone's. I will be doing an LED grow (180 on a mover with some T5 for added light--so more of a hybrid grow) and using a DIY fogponics setup. Still debating on seeds or clones. I have some seeds from Amsterdam Seeds (10 Carmelicious, 10 Le Fruit Defendu and 20 "freebies"). My inclination is to go with the free seeds first. Any input?
In the meantime, great job SS, I will be following the grow.
Still looking for the LED forum with the "Open Source Project"
Doc, you answered the question that I was about to ask. My tap water is 7.13 pH and 416 ppm. I'm not sure what the makeup of the minerals is, but I may send a sample out for testing to get a breakdown.
I've been following a few grows here (Irish, SS, MMMick) and will be starting a grow when I get back fro a family vacation at the end of the month. I will start my own journal so as not to "jack" anyone's. I will be doing an LED grow (180 on a mover with some T5 for added light--so more of a hybrid grow) and using a DIY fogponics setup. Still debating on seeds or clones. I have some seeds from Amsterdam Seeds (10 Carmelicious, 10 Le Fruit Defendu and 20 "freebies"). My inclination is to go with the free seeds first. Any input?
In the meantime, great job SS, I will be following the grow.
Still looking for the LED forum with the "Open Source Project"
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
stevehman, If your going to go through all that check out some of the fem'd seeds availabe their really well priced ! And it's a lot less gamble . Nothing worse than finding a male way in the corner a day too late ! Plus last year my first try out of 10 seeds I got 2 females ! This time I ordered fem'd ! And if you can get some good clones better yet you know what ouyr getting !
stevehman, If your going to go through all that check out some of the fem'd seeds availabe their really well priced ! And it's a lot less gamble . Nothing worse than finding a male way in the corner a day too late ! Plus last year my first try out of 10 seeds I got 2 females ! This time I ordered fem'd ! And if you can get some good clones better yet you know what ouyr getting !
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
LOL. I ordered femmed seeds.....half of them were males. Not hermies....flat out males.
If you germinate them properly, you can get more than 50% females from regular seeds, making them a better deal than femmed....especially if they send you regular seeds instead.
stevehman, If your going to go through all that check out some of the fem'd seeds availabe their really well priced ! And it's a lot less gamble . Nothing worse than finding a male way in the corner a day too late ! Plus last year my first try out of 10 seeds I got 2 females ! This time I ordered fem'd ! And if you can get some good clones better yet you know what ouyr getting !
LOL. I ordered femmed seeds.....half of them were males. Not hermies....flat out males.
If you germinate them properly, you can get more than 50% females from regular seeds, making them a better deal than femmed....especially if they send you regular seeds instead.
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
speaking of germination, I only got 3 out of 5 LR2 seeds to germinate on this grow.
One of them looked white and dead and I knew it wouldn't pop, but another one that looked OK didn't pop either.
The reason I popped them to begin with is that I had them for about a year in the refrigerator and wanted to grow them while the seeds were still fairly viable.
All of the PPP seeds from Nirvana look very good, and I'm currently germinating two of them that I will grow out as clone donors for the LED/HID grow.
speaking of germination, I only got 3 out of 5 LR2 seeds to germinate on this grow.
One of them looked white and dead and I knew it wouldn't pop, but another one that looked OK didn't pop either.
The reason I popped them to begin with is that I had them for about a year in the refrigerator and wanted to grow them while the seeds were still fairly viable.
All of the PPP seeds from Nirvana look very good, and I'm currently germinating two of them that I will grow out as clone donors for the LED/HID grow.
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
If some clones were to magically appear....just speculating here......what would you do with your PPP seeds?
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
save them for a future grow
save them for a future grow
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
How do you "save" a seed that's already germinated?
save them for a future grow
How do you "save" a seed that's already germinated?
SnowBender
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
Maybe DrWho will loan the tardis out for such a special occasion.
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
"Currently" meant right after work.
In fact, if I hadn't read your post before getting home, they'd be germing right about now.
I had wanted to plant them last night, but I was tired after the day's work and then transplanting the little ladies.
So, I still have 10 PPP seeds
"Currently" meant right after work
. In fact, if I hadn't read your post before getting home, they'd be germing right about now.
I had wanted to plant them last night, but I was tired after the day's work and then transplanting the little ladies.
So, I still have 10 PPP seeds
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
Never germinate seeds on a Friday. Why not wait till Monday or Tuesday, when you have a little better idea about things?
"Currently" meant right after work
In fact, if I hadn't read your post before getting home, they'd be germing right about now.
I had wanted to plant them last night, but I was tired after the day's work and then transplanting the little ladies.
So, I still have 10 PPP seeds
Never germinate seeds on a Friday. Why not wait till Monday or Tuesday, when you have a little better idea about things?
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
The reason I wanted to plant them yesterday is because Thursday is my favorite day to germinate.
They aren't up by Friday, but usually are by Sunday-Monday, so that way I'm home and can sprinkle them and keep things copacetic. That's something that just evolved out of my preference for germinating seeds directly into soil.
Besides, my decision-making is no better on Monday than it is on Friday, lol.
These Rapid Rooters I tried recently, however, maintain their moisture really well, so maybe I won't need to plan as much.
The reason I wanted to plant them yesterday is because Thursday is my favorite day to germinate.
They aren't up by Friday, but usually are by Sunday-Monday, so that way I'm home and can sprinkle them and keep things copacetic. That's something that just evolved out of my preference for germinating seeds directly into soil.
Besides, my decision-making is no better on Monday than it is on Friday, lol.
These Rapid Rooters I tried recently, however, maintain their moisture really well, so maybe I won't need to plan as much.
hydronewbie
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
Hey Setting Sun,
I'm in for your grow. Though I wish you would have expressed that you secretly work for some LED tech company and are a cross-dressing, covert spy for the Canadian government trying to entrap MMJ patients with lip gloss, dark glasses and a Pulp Fiction black wig. Your beautiful, sexy legs threw me off but now that you've been outed as a capitalist, subversive, carpetbagging, snake oil salesman I have new found respect for your growing skills. So tell me, isn't it difficult watering in stiletto heels?
Peace Bro!
Hey Setting Sun,
I'm in for your grow. Though I wish you would have expressed that you secretly work for some LED tech company and are a cross-dressing, covert spy for the Canadian government trying to entrap MMJ patients with lip gloss, dark glasses and a Pulp Fiction black wig. Your beautiful, sexy legs threw me off but now that you've been outed as a capitalist, subversive, carpetbagging, snake oil salesman I have new found respect for your growing skills. So tell me, isn't it difficult watering in stiletto heels?
Peace Bro!
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
Hey bro,
Just because a guy cross dresses doesn't mean he's a capitalistic snake oil salesman.
Setting Sun's cross dressing shouldn't be a factor in this grow.
Hey bro,
Just because a guy cross dresses doesn't mean he's a capitalistic snake oil salesman.
Setting Sun's cross dressing shouldn't be a factor in this grow.
GrownManHollr
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
Thanks for your reply SS!
My plants also seem happier with tap water. Went with distilled for a while which was probably counter productive (and expensive!).
I'm sure that's how I want them to look
I've been playing mad scientist, so quite honestly, I'm surprised they look as good as they do.
I've used both R/O and tap water. The plants seem a bit happier with tap water, which is 145ppm. I haven't had to add any Cal-Mag with the nutes I've been using to this point.
Now, for the rest of the grow, I'm going to try to stick with just the Osmocote+ nutes and use tap water. I have Cal-Mag and other supplements if the need arises, but I want to see how the OC+ performs on its own.
OC+ applied once and tap water. If it works out, it just doesn't get much easier.
I started out running the PH at 6.0-6.2, but the plants didn't have really nice color until I dropped it to 5.7-5.9. I may run it back up a bit higher in bloom, as DocBud suggests.
thanks for your questions GMH!
Thanks for your reply SS!
My plants also seem happier with tap water. Went with distilled for a while which was probably counter productive (and expensive!).
GrownManHollr
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
Doc, was reading your post here...
I've read that vermiculite is often used to moderate the alkalinity of soil. Do you think that it would serve that same purpose in a hempy bucket? Do you suppose that the original hempy "recipe" included vermiculite for more than just moisture retention?
Thanks for your insights!
Doc, was reading your post here...
Do you think this really applies with perlite in hempy buckets?
My tap water runs about 290 ppm mostly from dissolved limestone. I have to give a gallon of water a pretty good belt of pH down to lower it to 5.8 (a lot more than I need to use with distilled water). It would be nice to find an effective way to offset that alkalinity without having to resort to RO filters etc.
I've read that vermiculite is often used to moderate the alkalinity of soil. Do you think that it would serve that same purpose in a hempy bucket? Do you suppose that the original hempy "recipe" included vermiculite for more than just moisture retention?
Thanks for your insights!
Propa Gator
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
This gets me out of StarCraft, for a while. Or does it?
This gets me out of StarCraft, for a while. Or does it?