2nd Grow - SIP, KS5000, Banana Tropicanna & Orange Hill Special Photos

[Carmen Ray]

Don't think there's much more training I can do currently? Space is limited for at least another week or two weeks till space opens up in the 4x4 for flip, hoping she just grows up a little bit now I guess.

There's some slight lighter colouring on the tips of the top leaves, as well as a tiny bit of clawingI believe this is light being too close so I've raised it a few inches and will monitor. If anyone has another suggestion please let me know <3

Issue:

I need to properly check DLI but I've got issues with my phone front camera, might have to wait till next week to fix.

Day 39

The plants look robust with good growth. Remind me how you are feeding them? I had a bit of extra N from fish fertilizer and kelp. I also fed them some humic and fulvic acid, microbes and that one shot of calmag. The plants I have in this grow are emerald green compared with previous. However having said that, I have read that some varietals just are lighter in color. Have a great Sat, Weff

 

[Weffalo]

The plants look robust with good growth. Remind me how you are feeding them? I had a bit of extra N from fish fertilizer and kelp. I also fed them some humic and fulvic acid, microbes and that one shot of calmag. The plants I have in this grow are emerald green compared with previous. However having said that, I have read that some varietals just are lighter in color. Have a great Sat, Weff

Carmen! You have a great Saturday too, I hope it's a lovely relaxing weekend for you.

I am feeding this girl NPK tri-part with fulvic, seaweed and calmag and I also added nettle brew to one of the feeds. I'm only gonna do seaweed once every two weeks now as well.

The colours are super deceptive due to the LEDs being on, best pictures seem to be with flash off, I'll try grab one when they go to sleep so I can show you

 

[Azimuth]

There's some slight lighter colouring on the tips of the top leaves, as well as a tiny bit of clawingI believe this is light being too close so I've raised it a few inches and will monitor. If anyone has another suggestion please let me know <3

And a bit of canoeing of the leaves. Good call.

 

[Weffalo]

So leaves are still slightly canoeing, I don't see further damage to the tips so I think the light should be okay now. Should the leaves have stopped canoeing or will that take a few days as those leaves grow?

DLI is at 45 currently, she's drinking her res fully in 24 hours now... god knows how often that will be in flower lol.

Some pics with no light on to see colours at the end, bit blurry sorry will be fixed in like 2 weeks when I get a new phone

Day 41:

 

[Azimuth]

They should relax fairly quickly. Can you move the light up or turn them down a bit more?

 

[Weffalo]

Yeah I have a few extra inches I can raise it, I'll do that thanks Azi.

They are getting 45 DLI at the highest point right now, i couldn't check it before I raised it already but I imagine it was well over 50 maybe even 55 at the point they were showing signs of unhappiness with the lights which is good to know for future.

 

[Weffalo]

Another thing I forgot to mention actually is that there is a blueish tinge on the edges of the lower/super green leaves. Is this anything to worry about? I kinda noticed it a week ago but I forgot to mention it, might be noticeable on the no-light pics.

 

[Joe Brewster]

Best flip that bad girl soon. TB will shoot up a good 8 " on flip.

 

[Azimuth]

Another thing I forgot to mention actually is that there is a blueish tinge on the edges of the lower/super green leaves. Is this anything to worry about? I kinda noticed it a week ago but I forgot to mention it, might be noticeable on the no-light pics.

I don't see it, but maybe keep an eye on it and see if it worsens.

 

[Weffalo]

Best flip that bad girl soon. TB will shoot up a good 8 " on flip.

Oh dear I'm waiting on the other tent to finish and it's taking way longer than I would like lol. I just checked on her today and yeah, she seems to be getting tall lol... worst case I can flip her in the existing tent but I'd prefer her to be in the larger space beforehand.

I don't see it, but maybe keep an eye on it and see if it worsens.

Will do, might be my imagination

I've actually turned the light down now as she is getting too tall for max setting, the upwards growth has caused some further light tips but hopefully that's fixed now, I'm using a friends phone for DLI checks so as you can imagine it's not ideal.

I switched out my veg tent with AC Infinity one with the controller 69 so I can now see both veg/flower on the same app and controls, also have a proper oscilating fan in the veg tent now. My previous veg tent has been converted into a drying/harvesting tent. Been a lot of work but getting close to finished on the setup now, stealth is a priority so everything has to be done in tents with carbon filters.

Day 44

 

[Weffalo]

So I'm not entirely sure how to train this girl now, do I just leave her?? Too late actually but I could remove the training I did today...

I noticed the tops of the middle are coasting way above the bud clouds of the rest of the plant. I have tied these branches down (which has made them go *out* more) so I can try to get a more even canopy.

This is before I made any changes, you can see the middle like 6-8 branches are towering above.

Many problems I noticed on my current/first grow are due to uneven canopy, an even canopy allows you to keep all leaf temperatures the same, ripen buds at the same time and obviously leads to big fat nugs which is what I want, so I'm keen to start keeping an impeccable canopy if I can.

Another issue I've noticed lies with the design of my SIP, I think I need to get a bigger container for the res. She's drinking it maybe every 12 hours now and we're not even into flower I AM going to flip very soon, next day or two, just waiting for space in the flower tent.

I'm also noticing some leaf discolouration, I guess from the light but I've reduced DLI to below 40 now so could it maybe be just because the light is too close even though the brightness should be okay? I've raised the light again significantly lol.

Day 47:
Before tying down:

 

[Weffalo]

Day 47:
After tying down:

My question is now about what to do to control this beast when I flip, should I strip all the lowers and lollipop her? I'm not sure if I've made a mistake on this last bit of training/tying down so if you think i have let me know and I can change my strategy.

I didn't really plan to veg for 8 weeks but that's what we are approaching so I need a plan of action to tackle this girl and keep her under control whilst filling out the 4x4 as best I can

 

[Weffalo]

Okay, sorry for the triple post but I changed my mind.

Although tying those branches down made for a more even canopy it also bunched everything around the edge of the pot in a circle, that would be more detrimental than a slightly uneven canopy as branches were blocking other branches light and airflow.

I think I have two options to even the canopy better... supercropping or scrog when I switch to the 4x4, any advice please?

Here is the pictures after I've just undone the training:

 

[GreenFingaz]

Day 47:
After tying down:

My question is now about what to do to control this beast when I flip, should I strip all the lowers and lollipop her? I'm not sure if I've made a mistake on this last bit of training/tying down so if you think i have let me know and I can change my strategy.

I didn't really plan to veg for 8 weeks but that's what we are approaching so I need a plan of action to tackle this girl and keep her under control whilst filling out the 4x4 as best I can

Is that a 2x4 tent? If so my opinion would be to flip so she doesn't end up gettin burnt by the light with the stretch lol. Tis the reason I do a 4 to 5 week veg to save height

 

[Weffalo]

Is that a 2x4 tent? If so my opinion would be to flip so she doesn't end up gettin burnt by the light with the stretch lol. Tis the reason I do a 4 to 5 week veg to save height

It is a 2x4 mate but that's just for veg, she's going into a 4x4 on her own ASAP (Got 2 autos finishing in there still taking wayy too long lol) - Appreciate the advice though I'm still worried she will be too big for the 4x4

 

[Azimuth]

It looks like you have plenty of room to tie the branches down but there's no reason they all have to tied to the outside of the pot. You could use binder clips or the pot edge and tie them strategically to fill holes and ensure minimal overlapping.

Supercropping is another alternative if you don't want them going too wide as they will grow both up  and out once you let them go vertical.

I didn't like the scrog approach when I tried it but plenty of growers swear by it so that's definitely another alternative.

I agree with Green. 8 weeks is a really long time to veg a SIP plant. As for watering, no reason you can't fill the res more than once a day.

 

[Weffalo]

I knowww 8 weeks is a long time but I really can't help it unless I flip her where she is, which I don't think is wise considering she will get wider and taller Hopefully it's literally just a few more days on the West Coast OG now lol...

Yeah I'll see what I can do about tying them more centrally to fill the middle, if not then I'll try my hand at supercropping, I'll have a read of the link thank you.

I have a trellis but yeah I can see it being a lot of hassle, especially if your branches are super thick/strong like they are in SIPs with a long veg time, maybe more worth it when you need structural support.

 

[GreenFingaz]

It is a 2x4 mate but that's just for veg, she's going into a 4x4 on her own ASAP (Got 2 autos finishing in there still taking wayy too long lol) - Appreciate the advice though I'm still worried she will be too big for the 4x4

She might just need that room lol if manageable, a good problem to have

 

[ReservoirDog]

My 2 cents is to wait until it's started actually stretching and in particular wait for bud formation, then you can intelligently pluck only leaves that are covering bud sites and can't otherwise be tucked back. No stress req'd m8. You got this, easy. Really.

I had a great time with Constant Weight Training and over time eventually plucking all of the fan leaves but for the entire outside, circumference, of the plant, and only after buds had formed. My weights are soup cans with holes punched in the rim, on opposite sides, so I can attach a wire end to each and hang on branches. Where the wire rests on the branch I thread on a two-inch section of air hose as a chafe guard - like on a boat. Then I put gravel in the cans to the exact weight I want to lower the branch with. The beauty is that they are infinitely adjustable. I've tried different weight designs and these are my best so far. I also use @Carcass carhooks, which if you are not familiar with are definitely worth considering. I managed to have over 50 viable tops on each plant with this method recently and got a lot of rock hard buds from them.

Make sure you don't up ppms during the 1st week of flip, a kind of freak overfeed reaction can take place whereby it dumps all the nutes into the young budsites instead of the leaves during this short transition period and can cause an issue for us synth. growers.

Mind also after the flip not to crank the light right away trying to keep your DLI steady even though light is off now for 6 hours longer. It's better to just turn it up a little stretched over a week before you hit that flowering DLI target and can ignore again. Us DLI growers can wag the dog every now and then.

I really, really

yer grow, m8.Thanks for sharing with us and thanks for being such an upstanding member of SIP club! (and the Quad Squad, and this forum!)

I apologize for being absent after telling you at the start that I was avail for discussion and would follow. I had to go to hospital and am still recovering from some broken ribs, wrist and another bunch of crappy things. I just sort of checked out for a while - wasn't forced to, I just took a bit too long to get my head on straight. Better now.

 

[Weffalo]

My 2 cents is to wait until it's started actually stretching and in particular wait for bud formation, then you can intelligently pluck only leaves that are covering bud sites and can't otherwise be tucked back. No stress req'd m8. You got this, easy. Really.

I had a great time with Constant Weight Training and over time eventually plucking all of the fan leaves but for the entire outside, circumference, of the plant, and only after buds had formed. My weights are soup cans with holes punched in the rim, on opposite sides, so I can attach a wire end to each and hang on branches. Where the wire rests on the branch I thread on a two-inch section of air hose as a chafe guard - like on a boat. Then I put gravel in the cans to the exact weight I want to lower the branch with. The beauty is that they are infinitely adjustable. I've tried different weight designs and these are my best so far. I also use @Carcass carhooks, which if you are not familiar with are definitely worth considering. I managed to have over 50 viable tops on each plant with this method recently and got a lot of rock hard buds from them.

Make sure you don't up ppms during the 1st week of flip, a kind of freak overfeed reaction can take place whereby it dumps all the nutes into the young budsites instead of the leaves during this short transition period and can cause an issue for us synth. growers.

Mind also after the flip not to crank the light right away trying to keep your DLI steady even though light is off now for 6 hours longer. It's better to just turn it up a little stretched over a week before you hit that flowering DLI target and can ignore again. Us DLI growers can wag the dog every now and then.

I really, really

yer grow, m8.Thanks for sharing with us and thanks for being such an upstanding member of SIP club! (and the Quad Squad, and this forum!)

I apologize for being absent after telling you at the start that I was avail for discussion and would follow. I had to go to hospital and am still recovering from some broken ribs, wrist and another bunch of crappy things. I just sort of checked out for a while - wasn't forced to, I just took a bit too long to get my head on straight. Better now.

Hey RD!

I heard about your misadventures mate, very sorry to hear about that... but very happy your on the mend and getting your mind focused again, that's all that matters.

Appreciate your insight as always, the tin cans with weights in sounds like a smart plan, I think I want too move the stems that are towering above to be more central so I'm gonna see how I can achieve that, a mixture of carhooks I'd guess... I'll try tomorrow as I'm hoping to flip in the next day or two now.

Thanks for the advice on flipping as well, keep the DLI matched so no light stress, keep the leaves until they are actually preventing air flow to bud sites/blocking the light and let the leaves power the stretch better? Sounds like a smart plan so I'll remove lower budsites but keep the fan leaves until after stretch

50 tops on one plant.... damn, that sounds insane lol - I hope to reach such heights in the future I'm not sure how many I have now but it's definitely more than I had the first grow and I'm gonna really focus on getting that canopy super level.

Thanks for checking in mate, take it easy and rest yourself up until your feeling 100%. Looking forward to watching your next grow whenever that may be <3