24-on 12-off light cycle

labweed said:
Nope. 24 weeks. It was crazy. I was bound and determined to get to 20% amber, but week after week, hardly any amber. The trichomes seem to get their cues from the plant. If the plant says its almost done, the trichs say yes ma'am, and finishes up. If the plant tells the trichs to keep on truckin, they obey.
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believe that when the trichomes start to turn they turn amber they turn at the rate of 5% per week
 
Digipro said:
yea the plants did have 1 week of 24/12 where just messing with hormones in nature they would get lots more light than in a tent during veg caus of the size of the tent and when it starts to flower its not exactly on 12 hours thats just a good reference for most flowers not all but most, according to the is it doctor bugbe its cool temps during flower and beforee harvest ihe recomends the last light cycle to be 24 hours not 24 hours dark as he says they only make trichs during the lights on, during the night they have a chance to evaporate so lower temps may not get the plant to grow bigger but it will make the quality of the trichs better , alsom some can flower as high as 14/10 but they worked out the average was 13.5/10.5 so if oyu have one of these strains it would be best to keep it on 13/10 tom be safe and you should get bigger buds but it will possably take longer to flower , itslike saying when i first start a plant off for 2 weeks growth i can get 25g of plant growth but for a extra 2 weeks in veg you may get an axtra 50g of bud cause its roots are massive for the extra 2 weeks at the end . like the video i posted of the reveged plant he harbested it reveged very quick and because its root system was full developed it had all the food and water it needed and more . dont go on the numbers it was an example 2 weeks i would expect 30g from a plant at least though, so if i had a strain where it receaved 13 hours of light everyday i would go for that strain as it has the potential to grow bigger buds , its like the auto flowers tend to have masive buds but they dont grow as big a plant as a photo peroid they get more light to grow bud. if i went to a 9/15 flower cycle i would be thinking of increasing the dli to give the same dli you would get in a 12 to 13 hour day so it can store the energy and use it during the night . my next run i am going to try going from 18/6 to 12/12 which they are currently in and then after i have harvested this single plant thats in with them i will flip them over to 13/11.

and just to comment i trust we all agree their is enough bro science out there that needs to be gotten rid of , i prefer to be honest so i can gain better understaniding myself and dont see what saying i have done something when i havent will accomplish especially in the goal of becoming a man of integrity i feel their is no need to lie unless your covering something up, and i dont see there any need to cover things up but i do understand not everyone has good intentions where ever you live in this world unfrotunatly , but its better to be up front than have hidden intentions .
so yes i did put them on 24/12 for a week then went back to 12/12 they dont seem to be affected by it as if harvesting a plant then reveging it back again and then getting another harvest from it says to me it could be done in flower too its just hormones. now i do think that the light schedule can only be changed so far untill the point you might as well get autos , but photoperoid minipulated the right way have the poetnetial top gain the same size buds as auto flowers do . or as near as possable .

i grew one auto flower once with photo peroids and it grow just as big but stretched between nodes and the buds where massive huge just not as many as was on the photo peroids , i didnt know it was an auto flower at the time its only after i realised thinking back cause having seen auto flowers in grow journals it looked exactly like one but taller and more spaced out between nodes like 3 to 4 inch space cause it was on a 12/12 cycle ( i also realised the shop had sent me free auto seeds which is why it was planted as i did not realise at the time one side of the packet had the name and the other was labeled autoflower, so thats how it got mistaken and planted with my other seeds i had purchased .

infact the best way i can describe it is it looked like a lollipoped photo peroid massive space betwenn buds but the buds where bigger than a photo peroid by nearly 2x and each branch spread out on its own i did not need to do anything to it at all.
at the moment i grow 4 photo periods but if i could grow 6 autos probably on a 16/8 hour light peroid i could get nearly the same as my 4 photo peroids .

the one thing i know makes a difference is root mass , one thing i have noticed when i tim or fim a plant it gives the roots extra time to grow as it recovers meaning more available nutriants for the plant , so its not just the tim and fim scrog lolipop and such that increases colones its also increasing root size to feed those 2 enlarge colons . i get confused nodes colones , node is the start of astem that grows into a colone from the branch and the colon is the branch and buds coming of the man branch. ?

so fiming and timing also increases root mass and nutrient uptake and like minipulating a light schedule can increase flower time by a few weeks just the same .


the one thing about the 24/12 clone is it died i trimmed the good branches of it, made clones and then i left what was left and it revived and has better roots now which also has increased its bud size slightly now its in with 3 other clones i took from that same plant

few long one that
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Rasta Jeff - breeder of Irie Genetics say he run 18/6 light cycle he last 2 week before harvest and he has seen positive ='s results bigger and more ! (ref: Irie Genetics - Rasta Jeff FYI
 
labweed said:
Nope. 24 weeks. It was crazy. I was bound and determined to get to 20% amber, but week after week, hardly any amber. The trichomes seem to get their cues from the plant. If the plant says its almost done, the trichs say yes ma'am, and finishes up. If the plant tells the trichs to keep on truckin, they obey.
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How could whatever you ended up with after 24 weeks possibly be worth what it cost after that long? That is a lot of extra electricity, water, food and time.
labweed said:
I doubt its going to become carcinogenic or turn into a monster that comes after you while you're sleeping. No reason to be horrified. Everything about indoor growing was an experiment at one point or another. The point is, what do i care? I dont smoke, so this is all an experiment to see if something extra-ordinary happens. For all you know, it could revolutionize the industry.
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2-3x the cost is what horrifies me tbh. I got into growing to save myself money, this is definitely not the way to do that.

I am very curious tho if you had seeds in that plant. I had one that wouldn't go to amber and it turned out she was making babies (gotta love having neighbors that let the boys grow)
 
had to harvest the single plant yesterday n and put it in my home made dryeing box then i put 4 more veging clones in the small tent and have the plant i was tryingt to make a male in with my 3 other plants flowering i dont think its going to work i didnt have enough colloidal silver :( i will try again with another clone later on when i get some silver thiosulphate as thats better , but its about £60 for what i need just to get one male plant for pollen lol. i need to do some trimming like you have done but always scared if i trim too much lol but i would love to know how you got those stems that long i try with lights at the top of the cloning tent at minimum light but they still grow short and stocky .and are massive when they start to flower but not everything gets enough light underneath that way lol.
 
safeman said:
one of the best picture journal I have seen - like the every week photos' picture is worth a thousand words !!!!
please what is your total flower time for these monster plants ! Thanks I know there is no "special" nutrient use except your personal knowledge !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It was 24 weeks. The first pic was about week 4. Or week 2 how some measure. With a 16/12 cycle it only takes 2 weeks to get into full flower.
 
Sueet said:
How could whatever you ended up with after 24 weeks possibly be worth what it cost after that long? That is a lot of extra electricity, water, food and time.

2-3x the cost is what horrifies me tbh. I got into growing to save myself money, this is definitely not the way to do that.

I am very curious tho if you had seeds in that plant. I had one that wouldn't go to amber and it turned out she was making babies (gotta love having neighbors that let the boys grow)
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If i went to the dispensary, and bought 4 pounds of weed, It would be 10k. This cost around 40 bucks a month, due to the fact that half the week you are on peak hours, the other half you are on off-peak hours. So if 120 bucks horrifies you, then you are pretty squeamish. I had zero seeds. Could not find a single nanner.
 
labweed said:
If i went to the dispensary, and bought 4 pounds of weed, It would be 10k. This cost around 40 bucks a month, due to the fact that half the week you are on peak hours, the other half you are on off-peak hours. So if 120 bucks horrifies you, then you are pretty squeamish. I had zero seeds. Could not find a single nanner.
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I don't think I'm 'squeamish' just because spending an extra 120 for no reason at all seems outrageous to me. I wouldn't ever go buy 4lbs from the dispensary, but I also don't think you got 4lbs of (dried)flower off of that plant.

But even beyond that, I'd calc the cost to be higher than you estimate because I consider my time in the values when I'm thinking about what I'm spending on growing.

You're acting like what you did gave you some special results, and it didn't. All it gave you was an extra $120 in costs and a lot longer time to wait (and that time has a monetary value too). If you check out some grow journals here you will see that people get those same or better results in half the time so *shrug*.
 
Digipro said:
had to harvest the single plant yesterday n and put it in my home made dryeing box then i put 4 more veging clones in the small tent and have the plant i was tryingt to make a male in with my 3 other plants flowering i dont think its going to work i didnt have enough colloidal silver :( i will try again with another clone later on when i get some silver thiosulphate as thats better , but its about £60 for what i need just to get one male plant for pollen lol. i need to do some trimming like you have done but always scared if i trim too much lol but i would love to know how you got those stems that long i try with lights at the top of the cloning tent at minimum light but they still grow short and stocky .and are massive when they start to flower but not everything gets enough light underneath that way lol.
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Nice, you prepping for another run ? Can't you dilute the colloidal silver a bit to stretch it? I am a big advocate for regular stripping,not only does it cause thicker more developed secondary branching,the stems become stronger and form harder skin. The new foliage is healthy and thick and the plant seems to produce more over all once flower time hits and the strip cycle is established. It will grow back faster everytime. Not all genetics ofc,but the ones that do like a good trim respond well. I usually start stripping mid veg,start small and every 2 to 4 weeks depending on plant,take more n more every time you strip to acclimate them. As for the longer stems it's very easy method,when plant still seedling raise light only when you top the seedling. Leave light raised until you see new stems on top sites then lower light to normal. Doing this every time you topp (starting at 3rd or 5th node) will make the seedling stretch in the lower stems but not at new growth. So you can get this longer stem effect without sacrificing node spacing. It works well but it's one of those things that's hard to master. Are you gonna do more experimenting with the 24/12 on next run?
 
yea i have 3 fems and the one hopefuly male in the flower tent andi have the next set of clones growing in my veg tent although i dont think i will be flowering the ones in the veg tent i will be selecting the best one to take another set of clones off as they will have vegged way too much by the time the ones in the flower tent have finished . also all three seeds of the cylipso sun rock popped so i wil be selecting the best one and taking clones of it , and i purchaswed the 50ppm version of colloidal silver and by the time i used it it was at 30ppm and i only had half a litre of it for £30 so needed to have more of it. i have found the ingredients to make silver thiosulphate which should be spelt thiosulfate like you all do. which is still expensive but i would only need half the ingrediants to make the amount i need so i can keep the spare ready to make more cause just as colloidal silver only lasts a few weeks silver thiosulfate is the same but only once its mixed. so thiosulfate is the better option , using silver coins would cost me £75 to £100 in silver coins to make a decent amount with electrodes . and i dont know about the hours yet i am wonderring weither to go 13/11 for 3 or 4 weeks or one week of 24/12 again cost of running everything now i get the clone and veg tent has gone up quite alot more than i expected as there are 5 grow lights on all together the 4x4 720w, 2x 250 watts and 2 x 130 watts. the 720 is at 400w to 600w and the 2x250 watts are at 30% same as the 130 watts their at 30% too plus two extractor fans one 4 inch another 6 inch , 2 small 10w fans one in each of the veg and clone tent and a 30w tower fan in the flower tent so its gobling juice but still cheaper than having to pay for it if i get 4 plants with a decent yield. its 140 to 160 an ounce over here so if i can get 17 ounce its saved alot of money but our unit price has gone from 0.17p per kwh to 0.23p per kwh so its gone up about a quarter in price in electric since covid.
 
Digipro said:
yea i have 3 fems and the one hopefuly male in the flower tent andi have the next set of clones growing in my veg tent although i dont think i will be flowering the ones in the veg tent i will be selecting the best one to take another set of clones off as they will have vegged way too much by the time the ones in the flower tent have finished . also all three seeds of the cylipso sun rock popped so i wil be selecting the best one and taking clones of it , and i purchaswed the 50ppm version of colloidal silver and by the time i used it it was at 30ppm and i only had half a litre of it for £30 so needed to have more of it. i have found the ingredients to make silver thiosulphate which should be spelt thiosulfate like you all do. which is still expensive but i would only need half the ingrediants to make the amount i need so i can keep the spare ready to make more cause just as colloidal silver only lasts a few weeks silver thiosulfate is the same but only once its mixed. so thiosulfate is the better option , using silver coins would cost me £75 to £100 in silver coins to make a decent amount with electrodes . and i dont know about the hours yet i am wonderring weither to go 13/11 for 3 or 4 weeks or one week of 24/12 again cost of running everything now i get the clone and veg tent has gone up quite alot more than i expected as there are 5 grow lights on all together the 4x4 720w, 2x 250 watts and 2 x 130 watts. the 720 is at 400w to 600w and the 2x250 watts are at 30% same as the 130 watts their at 30% too plus two extractor fans one 4 inch another 6 inch , 2 small 10w fans one in each of the veg and clone tent and a 30w tower fan in the flower tent so its gobling juice but still cheaper than having to pay for it if i get 4 plants with a decent yield. its 140 to 160 an ounce over here so if i can get 17 ounce its saved alot of money but our unit price has gone from 0.17p per kwh to 0.23p per kwh so its gone up about a quarter in price in electric since covid.
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Nice,you making your own colloidal silver w out silver ?? Tf,how that work ? Gonna check it out I diddnt know this could be done ?? You def got some serious wattage running, have you ever heard of these new LEDs that use wattage equivalent? Like a light will be 400 Tru watts but thru light spec,magnification and mirrors they make those watts produce 800 watt equivalent results? I feel like my words sound funny,not worded right,sorry. So the new lights can put out light that will affect the grow like it's 800 watt light but it's only a 400 wat light. It does work too. I have one,plus it has uv n all that. It works w less power. So is that price of an ounce the dispo or street price ? Up in CT dispo ounces are anywhere from 300$ to 500$ per Ounce,street onces are anywhere from 180$ to 250$,even 300$ for decent budz,anything better than decent you will pay for it lol. its a crazy lucrative plant,plus the hash n edibles. Is bud rec legal in your state ? If so find a bodega that sells cannabis products and try to provide for them. Do a monthly or by-monthly rate for the weight. They save,you save n we all rich af lol
 
shop or mideical doctor its around £80 to £120 per half ounce so £160 to £240, on the street its roughly £120 to £180 per ounce depending on what it is. i can get stardawg for £130 ounce lowest, or ounce of stardawg bits for £35.

yea my lights are led 250w each and another 2 lower veggin and seedling leds that are 2x130 each they have both blue red far rid infra red and uv but my main grow light the 720w 4x4 only has white warm and far red it does not have infra red and uv :(
 
Digipro said:
shop or mideical doctor its around £80 to £120 per half ounce so £160 to £240, on the street its roughly £120 to £180 per ounce depending on what it is. i can get stardawg for £130 ounce lowest, or ounce of stardawg bits for £35.

yea my lights are led 250w each and another 2 lower veggin and seedling leds that are 2x130 each they have both blue red far rid infra red and uv but my main grow light the 720w 4x4 only has white warm and far red it does not have infra red and uv :(
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How you make the colloidal from scratch?
 
just need some silver coins and a battery or power source and set one coin on the posative and then put a nagtive lead in the distilled water and it oxideses the coin into the ditilled water making colloidal silver . but to make 1 litre of 70ppm colloidal silver it would take about 2.5 silver coins it depends on the weight of the silver coin . but from the coins i found i would need to get 3 coins at £25 each .
 
Digipro said:
just need some silver coins and a battery or power source and set one coin on the posative and then put a nagtive lead in the distilled water and it oxideses the coin into the ditilled water making colloidal silver . but to make 1 litre of 70ppm colloidal silver it would take about 2.5 silver coins it depends on the weight of the silver coin . but from the coins i found i would need to get 3 coins at £25 each .
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Oh ok that's sick,can you use silver that is not pure ? Silver or anything that's silver plated? Very cool how long does it take ? So you need like 75$ to make your own plus material n equip !!!!
 
Digipro said:
yea just distilled water two wires and a battery , i think it as to be pure silver , but i think you can use jewelers silver wire too.
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Really ?!!? That's kinda awesome bro,so just a small charge thru silver in water and it flakes off silver for collection ? What purpose does current provide ? Can you just grind silver to find powder there use ?
 

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