1st Indoor Grow - 9 Strains - Eek!

Awesome thread! I'm in. You are going to have an awesome harvest when you chop down your soon to be jungle.

There is a nice little diy thread here if you decide that the ona bucket needs a little extra help from more carbon filtration. I agree with McBudz that you will probably wind up needing a quality duct fan before this is over.

I understand your concerns about low humidity during veg but I think you will be fine. I have one grow under my belt here in sunny southern California and my humidity never stays above 50% for long. I never even monitored my humidity and had a respectable harvest. However I think you are prudent to monitor it in order to learn how all the variables affect your ladies. I do wish I had monitored my humidity late in my grow. I had a small case of bud mold that I caught early and was able to correct. However, If I had monitored my humidity I probably could have prevented it all together. Probably lost about 5% of my yield.

Best of luck on your grow. you are off to a great start. +reps for the great DIY ingenuity.
 
Awesome thread! I'm in. You are going to have an awesome harvest when you chop down your soon to be jungle.

There is a nice little diy thread here if you decide that the ona bucket needs a little extra help from more carbon filtration. I agree with McBudz that you will probably wind up needing a quality duct fan before this is over.

I understand your concerns about low humidity during veg but I think you will be fine. I have one grow under my belt here in sunny southern California and my humidity never stays above 50% for long. I never even monitored my humidity and had a respectable harvest. However I think you are prudent to monitor it in order to learn how all the variables affect your ladies. I do wish I had monitored my humidity late in my grow. I had a small case of bud mold that I caught early and was able to correct. However, If I had monitored my humidity I probably could have prevented it all together. Probably lost about 5% of my yield.

Best of luck on your grow. you are off to a great start. +reps for the great DIY ingenuity.

Hey PotPie! Just hope I GET a jungle for ya to watch!

Loved the DIY link - YES, I bet that would work! Thank you for the link! After checking out "quality" fans (agree this is what is needed to be effective) and their prices, I'm thinking it may just be best to spend a little more for a quality carbon scrubber that is known to work - might save me money AND worry in the future. But the DIY ONA bucket is working REALLY nice and will definitely benefit a couple different areas as this continues.

Yeah, my humidity really fluctuates. I had concerns when it was in the 20s for much of a day. However, I'm not going to worry about it - I'm already seeing it rise cuz I transplanted to larger pots - pic below temp is 72.9 and RH is 63%...

Sept6-HumidityDayAfterTransplant.JPG


Today is 4 weeks from the date I soaked the seeds.

Everything was pretty dry yesterday morning so I decided to check root growth. The largest plants had roots wrapping around the bottom and the smallest had roots through to the bottom of the 4" pots. So I gently transplanted everything to 1 gal pots.

As you can see in both pics, I did NOT saturate the entire pot's soil. I did as McBudz suggested and watered slowly in the center. I made sure where the roots are got soaked in with water, but did not saturate the entire pot and no water leaked out the bottom. And I tried to treat them as individuals in their water needs, with less soaking in for those who looked overwatered.

Here is a pic of the group today, the day after transplanting...
Sept6-DayAfterTransplantTo1Gal_ALL.JPG


I think they liked the change - they were smilin at me this morning. ;) And yes, it changed my humidity to a better level. Now running in the 50s and 60s. I set them back with overwatering, but think the GENTLE transplant will do them a lot of good. ALL had roots through to the bottom now those roots will have plenty of room to grow. And overwatering will be a bit harder to do!

BUT... if you can see a white powder on the floor and in the bottom of the large plastic containers that hold the pots... well, the powder is food grade diatomaceous earth (DE) being used to kill the GNATS that most likely came with the organic soil. Dammit. I only sw a few young ones... but they can lay a lot of eggs in a short time and God knows how many may already be in the soil - so I want to get control NOW.

Anyways, DE is organic and safe to use. Not actually earth (dirt) at all. It is described as: "Diatomaceous Earth is a naturally occurring siliceous sedimentary mineral compound from microscopic skeletal remains of unicellular algae-like plants called diatoms." Anyways, I've used it before with gnats and it worked very nicely - and I had it available!

How it works is mechanically - NOT chemically. The diatomaceous earth scrapes the protective outer shell off of insects. Without this protective layer, the insects quickly dry up and die. Just about any bug that touches it - dies. You can watch a gnat land on it and quickly loose it's ability to fly, which in my environment lands it in more and a fairly quick death.

The only concern is making sure you shut off all fans when you apply it and breath in as little as possible. The dust is not supposed to be inhaled when applying and a fan can sure kick it up into the air. I have dusted plants (other herbs) with it in the past, but do not want to take any chances with this herb. Thus, I simply applyed a fair amount to the floor and around the bottom of the plant pots - not on the plants themselves. You can also apply it directly to the top of the pot's soil - but the soil needs to be dry and the DE needs to be replaced after each watering. I'll only do this if I find I don't have control.

I know... I sure do ramble!!! Oh well, it's my journal and I guess I can ramble if I want! LOL

My babies look pretty good considering what I've put them thru. I hope to see some real nice growth in the next two weeks. Hopefully I'll get to start LST somewhere in there!

I love looking at my babes.

The biggest, Super Nova Chronic #10 is just beginning a teeny bit of side growth from the lower nodes and a few others are not far behind on that.

I don't think I'll have side growth at all with the Medijuana (hope to be able to clone tho!). In the image above, they are the 5 in the top left corner. They just keep growing the next nodes growth with virtually no space between the nodes. When compared to other plants that are also growing their third and fourth set of leaves, these are so short and stout - only the Blueberry (also supposed to be indica dominent) is at all comparable at this point.

Still disappointed in the Thai Tanic. I want some of this really bad (memories of past Thai experiences). I'm going to order a few more Thai Tanic seeds because these plants are just not looking good and I'm only going to run 2 cycles of the sativa dominent strains which have longer flowering periods and will take up more grow space (Thai Tanic, Utopia Haze, and G13 Haze). I can only grow a few of each and want the few to be quality and not sick plants that struggle all the way thru. I am going to pick up a couple more LD seeds at the same time cuz I only have one LD survivor. It's a good looking plant, but I want to assure I have a female and the odds aren't near as good with just one plant.

That's it for today! May each of your days be filled with green thumbs!
 
Hmmm... just making sure I also document other changes. This journal will be real nice for looking back on later to see dates of when I did what.

Last night I also setup a CO2 jug. Nothing I can monitor, but is easy and sure can't hurt. Pretty simple.

DIY CO2

Supplies

1 gallon jug (empty water or cleaned milk jug)
2 packages of active yeast
3 cups sugar
Water

Pour the sugar and yeast into the gallon jug. Add water to fill to about 3 inches below full. Cover the top with your hand and shake to mix.
WARNING: DO NOT PUT LID/CAP ON THE JUG CUZ IT WILL EXPLODE EVENTUALLY!!!

Within a short time, CO2 will begin being produced. If you CAREFULLY cover the top WITH YOUR HAND ONLY and shake after this point, you will find pressure immediately is produced from the CO2 production. Replace when this does not happen any more. Until then, it just releases the CO2 thru the opening in the top of the jug.

I sat mine behind the fans that are blowing on my babies. It's a simple CO2 dispenser and does not measure the CO2 at all - but it can't hurt. As they grow, I plan to add a few more jugs in the room just because I have a very large grow area.

And I am about to post on the DIY ONA bucket WITH carbon control added. See ya there!
 
Diy ona/carbon scrubber - passes first tests too

DIY ONA/CARBON SCRUBBER
As described in this link (except with the CHANGES listed below), this one passes it's first tests too!!!

I am so tickled!! :slide: Doin' the happy dance here.

This may not be the right fan, but it IS working!

Here are the changes I made...
1) I faced the fan to blow INWARD instead of outward and turned it to HIGH speed. It DOES have air flow that I can feel coming out the bottom holes.
2) I have the bottom carbon fiber filter on the wreath ring in place with 18oz of activated carbon in it.
3) I then placed a second carbon fiber filter on a second wreath ring and placed it snugly above the one with the activated carbon in it.

So the carbon layers consist of 2 carbon fiber filter layers and about 1/2" to 3/4" of activated carbon. I think I could add further activated carbon and still have air flow.

This decreased the ONA fragrance a little, but instead of the room smelling like the ONA - it smells cleaner - closer to odorless.

I tested it for 10 minutes in a smaller (10'x10') laundry area where hubby's stinky sweaty laundry (he works real hard) awaits me. Went back and it smelled real nice in an area that reeked just minutes before.

Then I tested it (it's real portable!) in our west upstairs hallway where it just smells musty and ucky from being empty for a few years since the last of our 3 sons and his dog moved out. I know the our beloved Mac raised his leg in a few places in that hallway. Anyways, the smell isn't horrible, but definitely a real good testing area. It quickly cleared the hallway smell.

Now I'm running it in our huge living room to see if it helps remove my ciggie smoke smell from the air. Cleaner smelling air for sure already. The true test will be when hubby gets home and tells me if it's better than usual or not!

I don't believe a single unit will cover a really large area or grow - but if I set up a few of them it just might do the trick. The cost to set these up is minimal compared to the cost of a carbon scrubber. I guess I'll prepare a couple more of these to have handy and see what happens. A carbon scrubber may still be needed down the road... only time and plant growth will tell. :-)

Oh... and I did go purchase 4 more Thai Tanic seeds, plus 2 LD femonized seeds, AND I ADDED A 10TH STRAIN TO MY GROW - four AK47 seeds from serious seeds! Just what I needed - more variety for my *hopeful* jungle!

There is a real good description of Ak47 in this 420 link. Or, the following is from the seed description...

AK47 from Serious Seeds
This easy to grow plant is our most popular. It is of medium height and produces good yields quite quickly. Extremely STRONG odor and smoke. Take extra care with odor control when growing near neighbors. The name was given not out of any idea of violence, but more in association with the ‘one hit wonder’ that the smoke is. Quality without compromise makes AK suitable for commercial grows or home use. These plants have a short flowering period for a sativa, producing compact, not too leafy buds that gleam with a coat of resin crystals.

Winning SEVEN prizes!! in Cannabis competitions, including second prize for the Best Sativa in the 1999 High Times Cannabis Cup, proves it is a favorite to smoke as well as to grow.


Type: mostly sativa
Indoor clone grow time: 5 – 10 days
Indoor flowering time: 53 – 63 days
Indoor yield: 350- 500 grams/m2
Outside/ Greenhouse harvest time:
15-31 October

Most sources sited THC content between 20% and 22%

Should be a nice addition to my grow.

:peace:
 
Re: Diy ona/carbon scrubber - FAILED FOR NEEDS.

DIY ONA/CARBON SCRUBBER
As described in this link (except with the CHANGES listed below), this one passes it's first tests too!!!

I am so tickled!! :slide: Doin' the happy dance here.

This may not be the right fan, but it IS working!
:peace:

Next day - and NO (no more happy dance!). :-( It will in no way be efficient for my needs. I changed it back to just the ONA Odor control (took all carbon out) and it works nicely for just the "dirt" smell that is no longer present, but I WILL be needing at least 1 carbon scrubber (and probably two). Anyone have any recommendations?
 
For the carbon filter you can always try one of the sponsors.
Additionally, I remember some growers here at 420Mag buying them from Ebay. In particular, the ebayer was Foothill Filters. I checked them out at the time and they seemed to have a good selection. I don't have any experience with them but I think the thread I found was by one of the grow support mods here.
Option 3 is your local hydro store if you are lucky enough to have one close by.

P.S. Thanks for checking out my grow thread!
 
... As you can see in both pics, I did NOT saturate the entire pot's soil. I did as McBudz suggested and watered slowly in the center. I made sure where the roots are got soaked in with water, but did not saturate the entire pot and no water leaked out the bottom. And I tried to treat them as individuals in their water needs, with less soaking in for those who looked overwatered.

Hi Granny, I also advocate watering your ladies only when they need it but I don't want you to underwater to compensate for overwatering. What I'm trying to say is, when they need it, give it to them. I feel that all of the soil should be damp after watering, not just the center, and every watering should be thorough. The reason (as I understand it) is that the roots won't grow into dry soil. At least not as well as they would grow into damp soil. You need a big healthy root mass to have big healthy plants. Also, if roots grow into any area that doesn't get wet again for a while, they may die back slowing growth. I like watering slowly and evenly just until water starts coming out of the bottom. I wait 5 or 10 minutes after the first watering for that water to get absorbed and then I do it again. This way the little dry pockets that are still there get wet the second time around. In Jorge Cervantes Grow Bible I seem to recall that he looks for about 10% runoff to make sure that everything is uniformly damp. Hope this helps.

BTW, thanks for the tip about cinnamon.
 
Ebay has some good deals on scrubber & fan combos...

Whatever you get, go one size bigger than what you need and use a fan controller to slow it down and cut the sound level - at least that's what I wish I did lol!
 
For the carbon filter you can always try one of the sponsors.
Additionally, I remember some growers here at 420Mag buying them from Ebay. In particular, the ebayer was Foothill Filters. I checked them out at the time and they seemed to have a good selection. I don't have any experience with them but I think the thread I found was by one of the grow support mods here.
Option 3 is your local hydro store if you are lucky enough to have one close by.

P.S. Thanks for checking out my grow thread!

Hey PotPie! You had a really nice grow - loved the winning pic! I'd be real happy if I did that here. I have a 6 month go at it and hope to get a few cycles thru in that time (and hope to get *better* as I go). We'll see.

Ebay has some good deals on scrubber & fan combos...

Whatever you get, go one size bigger than what you need and use a fan controller to slow it down and cut the sound level - at least that's what I wish I did lol!

Thanks for the replies! I thought going to one of 420's sponsors was a real good idea. I had already looked at eBay too. I can't use them. Long story short - I had a very bad experience with PayPal. I sold and took $ thru PayPal for a pound of St. John's Wort which was against PayPal's DRUG rules and regulations - go figure! Since then (years), PayPal won't let me USE, CLOSE, or even remove my financial information from my account at their website (CAN'T CANCEL EITHER - FROZE IT ALL)... and all the carbon scrubbers in eBay were payment by PayPal. Sorry... wasn't so short.

Anyways, I thought going to the 420 sponsors was a real good idea too. I love 420. A wealth of info and interaction here. And new friends. :-)

And Oxy, I may have to get a regulator... but didn't yet. I orgered:

Carbonaire 8" Filter - 850CFM
Carbonaire filters use highly activated virgin carbon for long lasting odor absorption; and it is constructed of heavy duty galvanized steel. All filters include a 10-micron pre-filter wrap that stops dust, and other airborne particles from clogging the carbon. Each filter comes individually wrapped in plastic and boxed to maximize the effectiveness of the carbon. The filters are available in 4 sizes (4", 6", 8", and 12").

and an EcoPlus Classic 8" - 590CFM

  • Very powerful and efficient motors
  • Durable steel housing with black powder coated finish
  • Wall or ceiling mouting brackets attached for easy installation
  • Pre-wired with 120 volt power cord
I figure I have less than 2000 cubic feet. And very stinky flavors. And I hope this will do it. I can also place an exhaust fan blowing upward into the top attic if I have to.

Hi Granny, I also advocate watering your ladies only when they need it but I don't want you to underwater to compensate for overwatering. What I'm trying to say is, when they need it, give it to them. I feel that all of the soil should be damp after watering, not just the center, and every watering should be thorough. The reason (as I understand it) is that the roots won't grow into dry soil. At least not as well as they would grow into damp soil. You need a big healthy root mass to have big healthy plants. Also, if roots grow into any area that doesn't get wet again for a while, they may die back slowing growth. I like watering slowly and evenly just until water starts coming out of the bottom. I wait 5 or 10 minutes after the first watering for that water to get absorbed and then I do it again. This way the little dry pockets that are still there get wet the second time around. In Jorge Cervantes Grow Bible I seem to recall that he looks for about 10% runoff to make sure that everything is uniformly damp. Hope this helps.

BTW, thanks for the tip about cinnamon.

YW for the cinnamon - I lost no more seedlings to damping off after I did this. Really should have enlightened me that I was overwatering way back then!

And the watering... ty, I did water outside of where all roots were and will water more thouroughly when they need it again.

For now, they are doing pretty good, especially considering the start I gave to poor lil hummers! Seeing good growth. Had been keeping temps fairly consistant at 70F-73F with lights on, but upped this to 76F-78F now and they seem to really like the warmer temp. I've been blowing the fans on all of em. The taller ones are growing strong main stems and I'm seeing secondary branching beginning. Most of the shorter ones are growing taller.

Hate seein' those yellowed leaves but will have to quit kickin' myself for setting them back in such a fragile state of their lives! What's done is done. MJ is a survivor despite us!

Even as sad as the Thai looked - they are both coming back. One looks pretty good now, but the warped one is sure different. Can't tell for sure, but I think the next set of leaves has a side with 4. Have a feeling this plant won't amount to much - but will keep watching as long as I have room and it grows!

Things are greener... so hard to be patient. Know they will grow faster soon. Will just have to drool over all yer grows til then!

But right now... I'm gonna go hit the road for a short ride while the weather is good. VRROOOMMMM Granny out!:peace:
 
Re: Diy ona/carbon scrubber - FAILED FOR NEEDS.

Next day - and NO (no more happy dance!). :-( It will in no way be efficient for my needs. I changed it back to just the ONA Odor control (took all carbon out) and it works nicely for just the "dirt" smell that is no longer present, but I WILL be needing at least 1 carbon scrubber (and probably two). Anyone have any recommendations?

Carbonaire 6 Inch Carbon Filter for $110:

Eco Plus 6 Inch Carbonaire Filter

* Room Size: 12ft x 12ft x 8ft
* Carbonaire filters use highly activated virgin carbon for long lasting odor absorption
* Individually boxed to keep carbon fresh
* Constructed of heavy duty galvanized steel: 22 inches high, 15.5 inch diameter with 6 inch flange
* 40# carbon weight
* Pre-filter collects dust and other airborne particles
* Easy to use filters that last at least a year under typical conditions
* Maximum 500 CFM: Vortex 6 inch fan recommended


This is the one in my tent
 
I have the same in my closet as well, the eco plus 6. I'm not sure but it might be my air cooled reflector not being completely air tight. Any who I got a light skunky smell eeking out of the attic so I had to add an ionizer. Its not top line that's for sure IMO. Better than nothing though for sure. Sorry for the paragraph there. Nice plants as well, keep those babies healthy :popcorn:
 
Re: Diy ona/carbon scrubber - FAILED FOR NEEDS.

Carbonaire 6 Inch Carbon Filter for $110:

Eco Plus 6 Inch Carbonaire Filter

* Room Size: 12ft x 12ft x 8ft
* Carbonaire filters use highly activated virgin carbon for long lasting odor absorption
* Individually boxed to keep carbon fresh
* Constructed of heavy duty galvanized steel: 22 inches high, 15.5 inch diameter with 6 inch flange
* 40# carbon weight
* Pre-filter collects dust and other airborne particles
* Easy to use filters that last at least a year under typical conditions
* Maximum 500 CFM: Vortex 6 inch fan recommended


This is the one in my tent

I have the same in my closet as well, the eco plus 6. I'm not sure but it might be my air cooled reflector not being completely air tight. Any who I got a light skunky smell eeking out of the attic so I had to add an ionizer. Its not top line that's for sure IMO. Better than nothing though for sure. Sorry for the paragraph there. Nice plants as well, keep those babies healthy :popcorn:

Thank ya McBudz and DeadTour. So good to know others are using the same brand I ordered! TY TY TY :-)

I debated between the 6" or not and ended up ordering the:
Carbonaire 8" Filter and an EcoPlus Classic 8" Fan, 590CFM

The room is 13'x21' with 7' ceiling in the center 5' only, then slants down to 4' by the time it gets to the outer walls - and then there is an additional hall and double closet area that is 8'x11' that is also open into the bigger room (where I will be vegging and drying). So, with that much open area (just under 2,000 cu ft) I figured I better get the 8" and I may even need another in the smaller area before I'm done. But this certainly should give me a good start.

So wonderful to know that others are also using this brand with good success! Thanks fellas!

Happy growing to all! My babes are doing good!
 
Re: Diy ona/carbon scrubber - FAILED FOR NEEDS.

Thank ya McBudz and DeadTour. So good to know others are using the same brand I ordered! TY TY TY :-)

I debated between the 6" or not and ended up ordering the:
Carbonaire 8" Filter and an EcoPlus Classic 8" Fan, 590CFM

The room is 13'x21' with 7' ceiling in the center 5' only, then slants down to 4' by the time it gets to the outer walls - and then there is an additional hall and double closet area that is 8'x11' that is also open into the bigger room (where I will be vegging and drying). So, with that much open area (just under 2,000 cu ft) I figured I better get the 8" and I may even need another in the smaller area before I'm done. But this certainly should give me a good start.

So wonderful to know that others are also using this brand with good success! Thanks fellas!

Happy growing to all! My babes are doing good!


Good job.. That will help incredibly, you have no idea. Your ona hoockamojoob will still have its place trust me. Plus it still just smells clean. Use it in the drying area or veg area when you start flowering.
 
QUick question; Have you ever smoked the Medicanna. I was looking at that strain and it looked interesting. Would be interested in a smoke report.
 
Re: Diy ona/carbon scrubber - FAILED FOR NEEDS.

Good job.. That will help incredibly, you have no idea. Your ona hoockamojoob will still have its place trust me. Plus it still just smells clean. Use it in the drying area or veg area when you start flowering.

Thank you so much, McBudz. It relieves my mind when I hear of others with experiences with this one. and the... thingymabobber :-) yes, it will have it's place - or a few places.

:peace:
 
QUick question; Have you ever smoked the Medicanna. I was looking at that strain and it looked interesting. Would be interested in a smoke report.

Are you referring to the Medijuana that I am growing here? Or a different strain called Medicanna?

lol Guess it doesn't matter cuz I haven't smoked either, or ANY of the strains I'm growing! but I'm sure lookin' forward to it! :smokin2: As for the Medijuana, I don't know that it's been around long as a strain - or at least I can't find info on it like I can on others. I am sure lookin' forward to the adventure of seeing how the different varieties grow AND smoke. Glad to see you visiting!

:peace:
 
Here's an update pic on the Lone LD from today.

Day 33 from seed soak.

Sept11-LD3.JPG


Below is an image of LD3 from the side. You can see she *wishful thinking* lost her first single leaves, but side growth is beginning...

Sept11-LD3_SideGrowth.JPG
 
And now the Utopia Haze...

You can see there is a bit of difference in their growth. And if you notice white dots anywhere on them, it's just DE (working nicely too). Moving the plants for their pics raised a little - I dusted em off when I was done.

Sept11-UH_Both.JPG


Then, a close up of UH1
Sept11-UH1_CloseUpAbove.jpg


And a view of the new side growth on UH1...
Sept11-UH1_SideGrowth.jpg


That's it for now. I took pics of all but don't have them edited yet. Will just upload pics as I can - it's not like I have tremendous bud pics (YET). This weekend I have a couple granddaughters coming so don't know how often I'll be able to get in here.

Everyone take care! :peace:
 
Okay, quickly just went ahead and did a few more images - just won't ramble much (FOR A CHANGE!)

Remember - I put these babes thru a bad time! But I feel they are coming around....

The best 3 White Widow...
Sept11-WW_3Best.jpg



The best 4 Medijuana (they are growing their fourth and fifth nodes but sure are stocky)...
Sept11-M_4Best.jpg


G13 Haze - all three
Sept11-GH_ALL3.jpg


I like seein' 5 leaves on some, this is one of them...
Sept11-GH3_5leaves.jpg



The feminized Cheese ladies...
Sept11-C-F_ALL3Girls.jpg


The best 2 Blueberry...
Sept11-BB_2Best.jpg


And how about the Thai Tanic making a recovery!!
Sept11-TT_Both.jpg


I do have a few more seeds of these coming just in case. I soooo remember this flavor... yummmmm

I didn't upload pics of the Super Nova Chronic. Forgot to take pics of them!!! Oops!

Will add AK-47 as a late start (seeds coming) to round out my grow to 10 strains and a 6 month grow.

:peace: To all!
 
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