1st Hydro Grow

[pan4gold49]

Hey Pan

I may be completely wrong on this but I don't think the nutes are the problem...I think my ppm meter was telling me wrong and the plants ran out of nutes. The reason I'm thinking that is last night I added a very small dose of nutes as a sort of test to see how the plants would react. You are quite correct that they look pretty off today, but they looked worse beore I added some more nutes. I'm going to keep a very close eye on them tonight and tomorrow before I start freaking out. If things haven't perked up by tomorrow evening, I'll get with you and see what you think. The top new growth looks very green and healthy, but I am concerned about the overall health of the plants. Just have to use a little patience.

Also, is there any chance that the Pyrethrum has caused the droopy look...extra weight on the leaves, perhaps? I really sprayed the hell out of them and a slight sheen has appeared on the leaves, which seems like possible residue to me. Just an idea.

It does sound like your ppm was throwing a wrench into the works. Keep and eye on the plants and mix some nutes following the nutes directions don't worry about ppm just get the ph straight.

Yes that does leave a film on your plants but that keeps the mites away and the droop was caused by it but don't worry your plant's will be fine.

Pan4

 

[Retired One]

It does sound like your ppm was throwing a wrench into the works. Keep and eye on the plants and mix some nutes following the nutes directions don't worry about ppm just get the ph straight.

Yes that does leave a film on your plants but that keeps the mites away and the droop was caused by it but don't worry your plant's will be fine.

Pan4

Thanks Brother

 

[Retired One]

Southernweed, DJB and I are on our 2nd successful hydro grow and we too had a nitrogen deficiency in our first grow. Someone there suggested that we use stay green and we found a product from supernatural called greenstay and b1 thrive that has kept our leaves beautiful throughout this hydro grow so far.

Dweeden

Just dropped in on your grow journal, and I mean damn...where you gettin the pot 'roids...lol. That is some seriously impressive stuff. Anyhow, just wanted to thank you again for the heads up on the greenstay and b1 thrive which obviously get the job done to a fare-the-well. I'm going to switch to DM Gold nutes at Pan4Gold49's suggestion on the next go 'round. I'll be building a very nice grow room over the next couple of months and I hope with the proper equipment and guidance, this old school dirt farmer will be able to compete with y'all's grow. It's real cool to be able to drop in on journals like yours and Pan's...gives you somthing to look forward to when you are forced into turning your back on a type of growing you've been doing for close to 2 decades...God, that made me feel old. Anyhow, awsome grow!!! Drop in and tell me what I'm doing wrong...its to much of a job for Pan alone...lmao.

 

[Retired One]

Day 20

Same old story...give em nutes...watch the roots grow. One plant is just so much taller than the others, I really believe it is going to be one of the small percentage of plants that grow tall.

The plants are all looking a little better this am, so I'm encouraged by that. No evident nute burn or further spidermite damage. Just 3 of the WD are so much smaller than the one it really throws me off...same light, same nutes, same everything...go figure.

I'll try to post some pics later today...

 

[pan4gold49]

Sounds Good man.

Its funny how the same seeds can give such different plants.

Pan4

 

[Retired One]

Well, after long consultation with the "Pest & Problems" post, I decided that the real problem was a combination of two or possibly three different things (although the solution to two of the problems turned out to be the same). A phosphorous and sulphur/magnesium deficiency. Followed the recomendations, so now we wait. I am realitivly certain of the diagnosis, it was almost like someone was looking at my plants as they wrote the post. Anyhow, removed half the water in my res and added some bloom nutes (higher in phosphorous by a fair amount) and epsom salt for the sulphur/magnesium problem. This is my first attempt at diagnosing and treating a problem, but you have to start doing it eventually. And if worse come to absolute worst, I have those TSS seeds going now and at least in soil I know what the hell I'm doing.

So everyone keep your fingers crossed and pray for divine intervention from the church of your choice. I reckon by tomorrow we'll know one way or the other.

 

[happiehippie]

WHATS UP MAN!!!!!!!!.....shittt, you aint GOT nothing to worry about man...the master himself is already ringing in on your thread I see...pan4gold49'er...good backup man!!!.

They got some nice size stalks on them...looking good.

for whats its worth...I am using the 3 part GH nutes plus Kool Bloom....and through out my whole grow all I have been doing...besides following every little bit of info from pan4gold49'er....is PHing everyday...I dont even own a PPM meter ..but am going to get one for the next grow.....I guess I was lucky so far....mine seem to be pretty happy so far.

keep those ladys happy man............i'll be watching........PEACE

 

[Retired One]

Thanks Hippie...yep, Pan has been here pretty much from the beginning and has kept me from killing my first hydro grow a couple of times already. Hopefully, they will respond to the treatment I gave them. But as an old ballplayer I know one thing...you learn more from your losses than your wins, but I f*****g hate to lose.

 

[happiehippie]

LMAO.....i'm with ya brother!!!

 

[L8tNightSkunk]

Hope everything gets better!

 

[Retired One]

Day 21

Well the yellowing seems to have stopped progressing overnight, there may even be a slight improvement, but not much. The roots are still growing well, with new root growth evident on all plants. I want to be encouraged by that, but I'm going to keep an even keel and keep an eye on things.

I'll post some pictures a little later today, I'm waiting on the solar panel contractor to get here and give me an estimate. See y'all later.

BTW...this seems a little vague...any time frame for improvement ideas...Solution to fixing a Sulfur deficiency
Mix 1-2 teaspoons of Epsom salts per gallon of water until condition improves

 

[Retired One]

Day 21 pics...

Any input welcome.

Doubled up on a couple by accident...sorry 'bout that

 

[pan4gold49]

SouthernWeed what nutes are currently in the tank? I have reread your journal and this started on the 21. Lets get this figured out.

Pan4

 

[Retired One]

Currently, I am using a half and half mix of FF grow big and FF tiger bloom. I just added the bloom nutes last night to try and boost phos. I rechanged the water in the res a second time to make sure I got the nute mix right. Also added epsom salt as per the prob and pest post. I have changed nothing at all in the grow other than that...same lights...same light schedule. Ph has been religiously checked 2-3 times a day and held pretty constant at 5.7 +/- .2 ph points. There is no evident algea on the roots, as a matter of fact the roots look very good. Still gaining length and producing new growth.

On one plant, I can't get a decent pic of it, there is mottling on two leaves as well as red in the stem and the main vein of one leaf. The very bottom leaves have a crisp, almost crunchy feel to them, but when gently, and I mean gently, squeezed they do still bend without breaking. All leaves exhibit a greater or lesser degree of curl at the edges. Not sure if this is relevant or helpfull, but when rubbed the plants leave my figers smelling like a tomato plant.

I'm completly at a loss for an explanation. If I had changed somthing or the plants had been stressed in some way, I would understand the sudden change in the appearance.

If you think it advisable, I can change the res out again and switch to the DM nutes. However, I was always sketchy about changing my nutes halfway through an outdoor grow.

Please let me know if I can provide more information to help you out.

 

[pan4gold49]

I'm thinking that was about the time you sprayed for mites. I wonder if it was the neem oil? SouthernWeed this is tough one to put a finger on. Let's just keep an eye on it for now.

Pan4

 

[Retired One]

I'm thinking that was about the time you sprayed for mites. I wonder if it was the neem oil? SouthernWeed this is tough one to put a finger on. Let's just keep an eye on it for now.

Pan4

I have thought of that myself...would there be any benefit to flushing the plants for a couple of days with clear water to rid the plants of the pyrethrum residue?

 

[pan4gold49]

Still working on it did you read this How Do I Use Neem Oil Without Getting My Plants All Oily?

Pan4

 

[Retired One]

I have now...The instructions for mixing and using the pyrethrum were follwed to the letter...this is a real head scratcher.

 

[L8tNightSkunk]

Pan4 your a good man for helping SouthernWeed, hope everything gets figured out

 

[McBudz]

Hey bud..

Something is definitely awry here...

I did not read from the very beginning so I apologize if I'm asking redundant questions here.

You have stunted growth and severe signs of deficiency....

From the yellowing bottom up you are not getting N...

How much are you using of each nute per gallon?

How many gallons is your res?

How often are you changing it?

Res temps? What type of water? tap (ppm)? RO..?

Are you doing dwc? Is the res light tight?

Any other peices of info that would help?

Have you tried foliar feeding to rule out any issues with the reservoir, lockout etc?

have you flushed with clearex or similar and clean out the res of all excess salts?

Instead of mixing veg and bloom together try using subtle supplements like cal-mag+ which also gives a nice boost of N (2-0-0) without interfering with P-K values being handled by the Bloom nutes as well as giving nice boost in Mag, calcium and iron. I run this straight through my grows along with greenstay and do not burn my plants or see any yellowing until the final flush. I recommend for anyone seeing N or Mag def issues in veg or early in flowering.