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Also I am not sure how you are sitting financially but if you are serious about playing around with selfing a plant, I would take a closer look at using STS instead of CS. STS (Silver Thiosulfate ) seems to be much less stressful to the plant and more successful and far less labor intensive than using CS........but it isn't cheap.
How uncheap are we talking? I know growchy is making some....

I think I'll just grab some from the store tonight if I can. The stuff I made was left out in the light and oxidized . What's the recommended ppm for reversing?
 
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Re: 1st Grow - Alaskan Thunderfuck x4 - Durban Poison - Blue Kush & Blueberry In Kind

Also I am not sure how you are sitting financially but if you are serious about playing around with selfing a plant, I would take a closer look at using STS instead of CS. STS (Silver Thiosulfate ) seems to be much less stressful to the plant and more successful and far less labor intensive than using CS........but it isn't cheap.

I'm not really comfortable mixing STS in my apartment anyway. I've thought about it before, but I actually find making CS pretty simple and economic. I have made several tablespoons of it with my own generator and didn't even use them all up to reverse one plant.

But I like the idea of it being less stressful to the plant. I've never been able to get one of the reversed plants to drop a lot of pollen, but they've always been kind of stunted from over-spraying, and my assumption that they don't need to grow healthy to grow male parts. You know you hear people say, "One male flower will pollinate a whole room!" well not in my experience. I had whole clusters of male-flowers and basically violently shook the plant over my females when it was dropping pollen, and I got like 5 seeds out of 5 ounces. I suppose there's the possibility the pollen was sterile, but I wouldn't expect it to make seeds at all if that was the case, I just think it was because there was so little.

I think I need to grow larger male plants for more pollen. Which would seem to be common sense, but like I said I thought just a few male flowers would do it. I'm going to put them in larger pots and let them get much bigger before flowering them, so trying to partition them will need some pretty big cardboard slats--lucky I have plenty of those 'cause I just bought a couple guitars (more like I bought them months ago and have been hoarding the cardboard boxes). But I don't mind if the whole seed plant gets pollinated, because I will be flowering the "less desirable" candidates in the flowering tent while these ones are my seed crop. I just need to keep the strains separated.

The Panama x Malawi #5 and the Maddog (PGSC x Cherry OG) are the ones I'm trying to get S1 seeds of. I was thinking about doing another Panama x Malawi to get one more like the Malawi side of things, but I don't know if I'll like the bud that much, and I don't really like the way the plants grow compared to the Panama side of things, so I'll be trying to self 2-3 different strains to make feminized seeds.

I'm kinda worried though, I apparently knew less about genetics than I thought, and I use to think that an S1 generation of seeds would be more like the plant it was selfed from, but thinking about it more lately after my plant science class I don't see how it makes that much of a difference than crossing F1 male and females together. I mean, when you look at it from a punnet-square type of problem-solving approach it seems like it has the same chances of offspring turning out like the parent. I have to do more reading up on it.

But still, all female seeds, and I don't have actual males to work with, so not like I have a choice lol
 
Re: 1st Grow - Alaskan Thunderfuck x4 - Durban Poison - Blue Kush & Blueberry In Kind

I paid eleven dollars for the sodium thio and seven for the silver nitrate. That's pretty damned cheap if you but the raw and mix up yourself. It also goes a looooooong way.

I bought both of mine together and think it was 40 bucks or so. They didn't mix them together, it came in two small little baggies. Based off the directions, it seems like I am supposed to mix the entire contents of both bags with a liter of water. I would probably try to divide by weigh into 4ths and only mix with 250 ml of water. Then I won't have to store as much in my fridge and can mix smaller batches when i find a female plant that I can't find a male for her otherwise.

Sorry Dabber, i really can't answer too many additional questions about it.....I just know its what the professional breeders use to make feminized plants, not CS. Hopefully I will find a plant I like enough to experiment with.
 
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I'm not really comfortable mixing STS in my apartment anyway. I've thought about it before, but I actually find making CS pretty simple and economic. I have made several tablespoons of it with my own generator and didn't even use them all up to reverse one plant.

But I like the idea of it being less stressful to the plant. I've never been able to get one of the reversed plants to drop a lot of pollen, but they've always been kind of stunted from over-spraying, and my assumption that they don't need to grow healthy to grow male parts. You know you hear people say, "One male flower will pollinate a whole room!" well not in my experience. I had whole clusters of male-flowers and basically violently shook the plant over my females when it was dropping pollen, and I got like 5 seeds out of 5 ounces. I suppose there's the possibility the pollen was sterile, but I wouldn't expect it to make seeds at all if that was the case, I just think it was because there was so little.

I think I need to grow larger male plants for more pollen. Which would seem to be common sense, but like I said I thought just a few male flowers would do it. I'm going to put them in larger pots and let them get much bigger before flowering them, so trying to partition them will need some pretty big cardboard slats--lucky I have plenty of those 'cause I just bought a couple guitars (more like I bought them months ago and have been hoarding the cardboard boxes). But I don't mind if the whole seed plant gets pollinated, because I will be flowering the "less desirable" candidates in the flowering tent while these ones are my seed crop. I just need to keep the strains separated.

The Panama x Malawi #5 and the Maddog (PGSC x Cherry OG) are the ones I'm trying to get S1 seeds of. I was thinking about doing another Panama x Malawi to get one more like the Malawi side of things, but I don't know if I'll like the bud that much, and I don't really like the way the plants grow compared to the Panama side of things, so I'll be trying to self 2-3 different strains to make feminized seeds.

I'm kinda worried though, I apparently knew less about genetics than I thought, and I use to think that an S1 generation of seeds would be more like the plant it was selfed from, but thinking about it more lately after my plant science class I don't see how it makes that much of a difference than crossing F1 male and females together. I mean, when you look at it from a punnet-square type of problem-solving approach it seems like it has the same chances of offspring turning out like the parent. I have to do more reading up on it.

But still, all female seeds, and I don't have actual males to work with, so not like I have a choice lol

Here is an idea for you Fert......you could clone the female you want.....take that clone, get it rooted and grow it just a bit and then hit her with the CS. Abuse the hell out of her, since you aren't going to use her for anything but a sperm donor. Get that pollen going.....and then keep dusting her over the mom you took her from. That way when you are done using your She-he plant....you can ditch it if you want to and you are left with a nice healthy pure female plant that is now pregnant with lots and lots of feminized babies. I would probably keep dusting it day after day, as each new pollen sac on she-he opens.

I can tell you first hand, that good pollen is potent as hell. I have so many accidental pollination sites on my current crop from me just opening the tent and taking peaks. This is no kidding.....I officially pollinated 3 small flower on the blueberry plant. I cut one branch down that wasn't even dusted with the pollen and I collected over 40 seeds. I have seen probably another 100 seeds throughout other buds from accidental pollination. Believe me, I didn't drop much pollen in that tent. I know I probably had pollen on some of my clothes from when I was harvesting pollen that might have gotten throughout the tent from when I would take pictures for daily updates. I don't mind all those extra seeds because it lets me do more pheno hunting and I am using most of the bud for oil anyways.
 
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Here is an idea for you Fert......you could clone the female you want.....take that clone, get it rooted and grow it just a bit and then hit her with the CS. Abuse the hell out of her, since you aren't going to use her for anything but a sperm donor. Get that pollen going.....and then keep dusting her over the mom you took her from. That way when you are done using your She-he plant....you can ditch it if you want to and you are left with a nice healthy pure female plant that is now pregnant with lots and lots of feminized babies. I would probably keep dusting it day after day, as each new pollen sac on she-he opens.

I can tell you first hand, that good pollen is potent as hell. I have so many accidental pollination sites on my current crop from me just opening the tent and taking peaks. This is no kidding.....I officially pollinated 3 small flower on the blueberry plant. I cut one branch down that wasn't even dusted with the pollen and I collected over 40 seeds. I have seen probably another 100 seeds throughout other buds from accidental pollination. Believe me, I didn't drop much pollen in that tent. I know I probably had pollen on some of my clothes from when I was harvesting pollen that might have gotten throughout the tent from when I would take pictures for daily updates. I don't mind all those extra seeds because it lets me do more pheno hunting and I am using most of the bud for oil anyways.

Yup, that's what I did when trying to feminize my Blackberry Kush. I didn't shake the plant out over them every day though, because it was in a 3 gallon pot and that would have got soil all over lol But I put it stacked up on two pots in the center of all of them and shook it around, it just never had much pollen. I feel like maybe most of it was sterile because I have made seeds with pretty tiny amount of pollen before too. I pulled the father Cherry OG pollen for that cross out of a trash bag that my buddy killed and stuffed it in, and it had been sweating in that for days, and I only got maybe half a BB's volume of pollen. Still I pollinated with that, and got like 50 seeds out of a bud.

From the last experience it seems like I gotta grow the male big and healthy to make an actual amount of harvestable pollen. But Icemud has been using CS too and has had a few rounds where it's come out sterile, versus 1 first round where they worked great. electro gypsy seems to have it down pat, and he's all about getting the male plant healthy so I'm gonna try that.

But yeah the other challenge is just keeping track of what seeds are the Panama x Malawi self'd seeds, and which are the PGSC x Cherry OG self'd seeds, because I want to do both.
 
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Yup, that's what I did when trying to feminize my Blackberry Kush. I didn't shake the plant out over them every day though, because it was in a 3 gallon pot and that would have got soil all over lol But I put it stacked up on two pots in the center of all of them and shook it around, it just never had much pollen. I feel like maybe most of it was sterile because I have made seeds with pretty tiny amount of pollen before too. I pulled the father Cherry OG pollen for that cross out of a trash bag that my buddy killed and stuffed it in, and it had been sweating in that for days, and I only got maybe half a BB's volume of pollen. Still I pollinated with that, and got like 50 seeds out of a bud.

From the last experience it seems like I gotta grow the male big and healthy to make an actual amount of harvestable pollen. But Icemud has been using CS too and has had a few rounds where it's come out sterile, versus 1 first round where they worked great. electro gypsy seems to have it down pat, and he's all about getting the male plant healthy so I'm gonna try that.

But yeah the other challenge is just keeping track of what seeds are the Panama x Malawi self'd seeds, and which are the PGSC x Cherry OG self'd seeds, because I want to do both.

Just keep experimenting with it brother. I am sure that you will get it to work. I recommend documenting what you did each time so when you get a round to work, you can replicate it. You won't want to have to play this battle the next time you want to make some feminized seeds.
 
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Just keep experimenting with it brother. I am sure that you will get it to work. I recommend documenting what you did each time so when you get a round to work, you can replicate it. You won't want to have to play this battle the next time you want to make some feminized seeds.

Yeah. I feel like I might be shooting myself in the foot medicine-wise though. I might be better off just trying to spray one or two buds and trying to pollinate one or two buds and cropping out with them. I need to build up a little stash 'cause I'm thinking about shutting down for the summer months because it just gets too unliveable and hard to control the heat. But I can run the T5 to keep clones around at least, so I'm still undecided what path I wanna try.

Breeding and growing medicine at the same time is kinda tricky.
 
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Yeah. I feel like I might be shooting myself in the foot medicine-wise though. I might be better off just trying to spray one or two buds and trying to pollinate one or two buds and cropping out with them. I need to build up a little stash 'cause I'm thinking about shutting down for the summer months because it just gets too unliveable and hard to control the heat. But I can run the T5 to keep clones around at least, so I'm still undecided what path I wanna try.

Breeding and growing medicine at the same time is kinda tricky.

Yes especially if you really only have one location. I am lucky, I have a 4x4 for flower and a 2x2 to breed and a big ass work table with a 4 foot 8 bulb T5 for vegging. So if I breed, I am only really losing the 2x2 which isn't a huge deal. I also have a small 2 foot, 4 bulb T5 for seedlings. Having more space is really what allows you to do more than just grow your meds.
 
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Wow I think I got ten grams of silver nitrate and 300 grams of sodium thio for cheap and it should make four liters concentrate with 50 grams of sodium thio left over! I hope this stuff is legit .

Well you be the guinea pig for us brother!! If it works, then you found the jackpot!!!
 
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Hey Fert.....also, I wouldn't grow the clone in a 3 gallon pot. Really overkill from how long you need to keep the pollen donor alive. Like I said before, clone her, get her rooted, and I would probably only use a 1 gallon pot....2 max. Once you get her to transplanted into the 1 or 2 gallon pot and she takes off you will be good. Let her grow a couple weeks and then spray and flip her or whatever the sequence is with CS. Once she starts showing her junk and the pollen sacks start opening you are almost done with her/him. You might have up to 2 weeks worth of time where she will keep opening pollen sacks and what not. You will see when its done growing and you can cut your shemale plant down.....its work is done.
 
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I’ve got everything ready to mix up this batch. I’ll be doing that shortly .

Go Growchy Go!!! Get your hot little girl knocked up!!!
 
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Hey Fert.....also, I wouldn't grow the clone in a 3 gallon pot. Really overkill from how long you need to keep the pollen donor alive. Like I said before, clone her, get her rooted, and I would probably only use a 1 gallon pot....2 max. Once you get her to transplanted into the 1 or 2 gallon pot and she takes off you will be good. Let her grow a couple weeks and then spray and flip her or whatever the sequence is with CS. Once she starts showing her junk and the pollen sacks start opening you are almost done with her/him. You might have up to 2 weeks worth of time where she will keep opening pollen sacks and what not. You will see when its done growing and you can cut your shemale plant down.....its work is done.

Well that's what I'm saying the last time I tried, I kept the little one in a 3 gallon pot, and it didn't get much over a foot tall, and just didn't make much pollen. I'm thinking either I need a bigger plant for more pollen, or a healthier one. Because just keeping it in a tiny pot and treating it like garbage didn't work for me last time :/ You'd figure just one male flower would be enough but yeah it didn't work out like that for me. I'm wondering if maybe the CS pollen is less potent than regular pollen.

Lucky I have two tents, but I might be shutting down the flower tent with the HPS for summer, it's just too hot to try to run the ACs and the light, I pop too many fuses and the living room gets up to like the mid 90s because I exhaust my tent air into the living room. It's just nasty.

But yeah I have 10 clones going to get another crop in before summer at least. That will leave me using my T5 to do the seeding/breeding and my HPS to be growing my medicine.

Oh and I looked back at my journal and it looks like this was what was successful for me...

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But it just made such a little amount of actual pollen and only 5 seeds. I may have just not let the sacs open enough, but I kind of blamed it on the size of the plants.
 
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Hey guys! Hope everyone is having a great weekend. I chopped down the rest of the Blueberry last night and about 25% of the Blue Kush. Did the initial trim and then bud washed the hell out of them and have them hanging to dry. Again, the Blueberry won't be a big yielder (this one was a small plant) so I am not expecting more than an ounce.

This round of Blue Kush seems to be more solid and have a bit more weight even though I kept her smaller as well. Won't know for a while as I think the rest of the plant can go another week or more.

Will start checking the trichomes on the rest of the Durban on Monday. Will also be harvesting the first of the ATF plants at some point next week. Lots of stuff going on at the Stank house.

Anyways, we have company this weekend so I won't be around here much til later in the evenings. Hope everyone is having an awesome weekend!!
 
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