126W Penetrator LED Full Bloom

i just have to say this last thing

first iscandar, you got it right except, green is green, and even if i didn't like you i'd still sell to you unless you are in someway putting off my other custiomers and hurting my business. thankfully i am in academia and could care less about selling things. just not my personality. and questioning everything and free thought are cultivated.

I would like to say (although I am waiting for SS to "believe") i give cammie props for having the balls to come on here and say who she is. Telling poeple you're than manufacturer you're just asking for credibility issues., she could have easily signed up anonymously and posted as if she was just a customer, but no she came in here and said here I am, here is the truth as i see it. you are right this increases credibility, but. . . we'll see what happens.
 
As a business person I find it very funny how people condemn sales and making money as something evil. Communism was evil. Business drives technology that each and everyone of you enjoy and can't live without. There is no incentive for a business person to risk their life savings inventing a product or service if there is not a reasonable return on the investment.

Nobody forces you to go out and buy an Ipod. Nobody forces you to go drive a car, use a refrigerator, hair dryer etc..etc......These are all modern conveniences that we all have come to depend on and enjoy. They make our lives easier. We like them. So let me ask you, do you go up to the McDonald's and say "hey...you are making a profit on that burger! WTF is that about??"

No I don't think you would.

Or do you go to Walmart, BestBuy, Pep Boys, or any other retail establishment and condemn them for having a business and employing thousands of people.

Cammie has risked that. She risked her money and time. She invested years in her business like I have.

She employs many people through her business. The website designer, the host, the person making brochures and invoices for her, the express mail deliveries she uses, the factories that build the components for the lights. This all adds up to hundreds of people. That Fed-Ex man delivering your lights has a job because of small busines sowners. We keep the country alive!

When that driver goes home he in turn will spend money on food for his family, a car, and all sorts of things.

The circle is round.

Stop hating people for doing a business. If you don't like something about it then don't buy it.

Unless you are a volunteer or a missionary you are not working for free either. So why expect that of small business owners?
 
Hello,
I have a car business. I have often refused to sell my cars to people that rubbed me the wrong way. I am a person just like everyone else. And I put my life into my business. So when somebody attacks it it is the same as attacking me. I sell high quality cars. I put lots of money into them to make them reliable. So I must charge for that because my costs are higher. I do get many people complaing to me because they found another car like mine on EBay or down the road. So I pull out the receipts and show them all the work I have done and how my product is solid and I stand behind it. Unlike most sellers.
So if a customer continues to doubt my credibility then I say "sorry sir. but I have explained myself in detail and we both know that my vehicle is better then the other competitor down the road. You wouldn't be here arguing with me so long if you did not also think that my product was the better one to own. This is the lowest price I can accept. Now you will have to make your own decision about what is best for you."

If they are too needy and I feel that they will always be a whiny complaining unhappy customer then I refuse the sale all together. I have a life also. I don't want to deal with people like that and I don't have to. I am the boss. This is my business. This is the whole point of being an entrepreneur. You don't have a master.
These kind of people are not happy about their lives and take it out on others. I have seen it so many times in 20 years. So now I just tell them "sorry but I don't want to do business with you or sell you anything. Bye!" And I save myself a headache and more stress.



WheeloFortune said:
i just have to say this last thing

first iscandar, you got it right except, green is green, and even if i didn't like you i'd still sell to you unless you are in someway putting off my other custiomers and hurting my business. thankfully i am in academia and could care less about selling things. just not my personality. and questioning everything and free thought are cultivated in niche.

I would like to say (although I am waiting for SS to "believe") i give cammie props for having the balls to come on here and say who she is. Telling poeple you're than manufacturer you're just asking for credibility issues., she could have easily signed up anonymously and posted as if she was just a customer, but no she came in here and said here I am, here is the truth as i see it. you are right this increases credibility, but. . . we'll see what happens.
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I just bought a 126er myself. Look at it this way if I can produce only two ounces with the light and it turns out to be crap I still can cash that in to a cool $600 of product so the way I llok at it is no harm no foul. On the other hand if it does perform as stated then I'm in a pretty good spot don't ya think? With that said Cammie was nothing but forthcoming and informative in my dealings with her so I have a fair amount of confidence in her and her product.
 
And it is one thing to be a skeptic, finding enough information until you're satisfied. But the tone of a lot of people is more "hater" than skeptic when they've got an objection to voice or want something proven above and beyond what's already being done. They just keep beating a dead horse like somehow I can speed up time and make all those testers magically finished with their grows....
 
iscandar said:
Hello,
I have a car business. I have often refused to sell my cars to people that rubbed me the wrong way. I am a person just like everyone else. And I put my life into my business. So when somebody attacks it it is the same as attacking me. I sell high quality cars. I put lots of money into them to make them reliable. So I must charge for that because my costs are higher. I do get many people complaing to me because they found another car like mine on EBay or down the road. So I pull out the receipts and show them all the work I have done and how my product is solid and I stand behind it. Unlike most sellers.
So if a customer continues to doubt my credibility then I say "sorry sir. but I have explained myself in detail and we both know that my vehicle is better then the other competitor down the road. You wouldn't be here arguing with me so long if you did not also think that my product was the better one to own. This is the lowest price I can accept. Now you will have to make your own decision about what is best for you."

If they are too needy and I feel that they will always be a whiny complaining unhappy customer then I refuse the sale all together. I have a life also. I don't want to deal with people like that and I don't have to. I am the boss. This is my business. This is the whole point of being an entrepreneur. You don't have a master.
These kind of people are not happy about their lives and take it out on others. I have seen it so many times in 20 years. So now I just tell them "sorry but I don't want to do business with you or sell you anything. Bye!" And I save myself a headache and more stress.
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Being a former car sales person at another time in my life, I know exactly what you mean. When your business, product, or credibility is being attacked (and you're the one who created it and dumped your heart, soul, and money into it), it's you being attacked as well. It's people saying "you're a liar" without actually saying you're a liar. It's putting that seed of doubt into everyone else's mind because you want someone else to be the villain instead of the victor.

I agree with you 100%, and that's why I tell people that I'm not on forums for sales. If I make someone mad, or they rub me the wrong way, I don't care if they ever buy a light from me. I'm not after those people who will never have a thing proven to them, even if they do it themselves. I'm after those of you (like you've already voiced your opinions) who understand that I'm an individual providing results, and that I believe with every ounce of who I am in my product. I educate people on LED's, provide information, and run my business with full-disclosure, which is what brings people to me. I'm not some shady business-woman with guerilla marketing tactics with a light that doesn't work.

I am however, the only manufacturer of LED grow lights who comes on forums, shows that their product does what it claims (through my own grows and my friend, who IS an INDEPENDENT), and answers every question that is shot at me. I educate the consumer, and it is because they become smarter that they later purchase my product. So again, my point is to educate, because the more I inform people, the less likely they are to buy my competitor's lights. The more people understand the technology and what is necessary to achieve good results, the better off my business becomes. So education and sales go hand in hand, but I never would have made my first sale if it wasn't for all the knowledge I had already shared.
 
HydroGrowLED said:
Being a former car sales person at another time in my life, I know exactly what you mean.
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this is not helping. hahaha.:geek:

and i guess they were all wrong who said you weren't the sales person type.
 
WheeloFortune said:
this is not helping. hahaha.:geek:

and i guess they were all wrong who said you weren't the sales person type.
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Sales happen. All you need is a good product, good demonstration, and enough knowledge to know what you're talking about. When you have something that works, and people can see that and understand it, they buy it. My "sales tactics" if you will, are nothing other than posting grow journals online, answering the slough of questions I get asked (which effectively spreads knowledge and information) and show people what these lights can do. It doesn't take anything else other than being open and honest for these units to sell like crazy. So if that means I'm a sales person, yes I am. But does that mean I go about it like everyone else, or that I make a huge deal out of it like it's the only thing I'm here for? No... If I wasn't on forums to make sales, I wouldn't have spent the money here on advertising lol... But the main way I get sales, is by sharing information and educating people so they understand.

What others have referred to about me, is my general tone or demeanor on the forum. They don't label me as just a "sales person", because I'm a lot more than that.
 
HydroGrowLED said:
If you're growing with HID and you go over 85. The plants have to constantly perspire because of the intense HID light, while also dealing with ambient temps. Temperature does affect a plant's metabolic rate, and at higher temperatures (without stress of course) plants tend to grow faster. This is why I keep my room at 95 degrees. The plants love it, and I get the most out of them without causing them stress ;)
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This is true, I let me room get 105 a few days casue my AC was broke. The plants seemed fine but it was humid in there.

they used twice as much water..
 
HydroGrowLED said:
Sales happen. All you need is a good product, good demonstration, and enough knowledge to know what you're talking about. When you have something that works, and people can see that and understand it, they buy it. My "sales tactics" if you will, are nothing other than posting grow journals online, answering the slough of questions I get asked (which effectively spreads knowledge and information) and show people what these lights can do. It doesn't take anything else other than being open and honest for these units to sell like crazy. So if that means I'm a sales person, yes I am. But does that mean I go about it like everyone else, or that I make a huge deal out of it like it's the only thing I'm here for? No... If I wasn't on forums to make sales, I wouldn't have spent the money here on advertising lol... But the main way I get sales, is by sharing information and educating people so they understand.

What others have referred to about me, is my general tone or demeanor on the forum. They don't label me as just a "sales person", because I'm a lot more than that.
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Yes Cammie but to do this you need one or more "vehicles" (420 Magazine) you could sit in your garage with the best product in the world and sales don't just happen. But you were smart enough to know this and know where your customers are and what vehicle to use and I can see you have learned all about "bridges" too now...ROFL...FEEL, FELT,FOUND...." I know how you feel, I felt the same way, but you know what I found..." works like a charm every time...ROFLMAO

As far as testing these side by side against HID's, I want to confirm that there's no changes necessary that you have found in ph or nute strength to feed under the LED's?...I guess I'm trying to ask if they should really be on the same table since it goes against my research and don't want this screwed up before it starts.
 
scumbragger said:
Yes Cammie but to do this you need one or more "vehicles" (420mag,GC,,,) you could sit in your garage with the best product in the world and sales don't just happen. But you were smart enough to know this and know where your customers are and what vehicle to use and I can see you have learned all about "bridges" too now...ROFL...FEEL, FELT,FOUND...." I know how you feel, I felt the same way, but you know what I found..." works like a charm every time...ROFLMAO

As far as testing these side by side against HID's, I want to confirm that there's no changes necessary that you have found in ph or nute strength to feed under the LED's?...I guess I'm trying to ask if they should really be on the same table since it goes against my research and don't want this screwed up before it starts.
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Yep, I sit online and post on forums instead of sitting in my garage with a for sale sign lol. Did you get a hold of DHL to figure out why the package wasn't delivered?

Anyhow, I've noticed no changes necessary since switching to LED, other than using less water overall. The temps can go higher without causing stress... and the plants grow healthier. If you're doing a side by side, you want to separate the light from the HID and LED though.

When I spoke to Ed 2.5 weeks ago, I was told that the plants were started, green cr*ck was the strain, it was a 4x4 grow area, and that I'd have update pictures in 2 weeks. I called on Monday and his secretary tells me he's in Amsterdam until the end of the month. I tried calling back again Tuesday, but she didn't have a response from Ed yet. I will try calling again tomorrow, but that's all I know right now.
 
Kathypil said:
are you growing dirt or hydro i am using leds in dirt and was wondering how ofton you water
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Honestly I've never grown in dirt. I'm not the best person to answer this question, but a few people with lights on this forum are using dirt, so in a week or two maybe they could fill you in a bit better. ;)
 
WheeloFortune said:
lol, i agree with most of that SBragger, I never suggested that she was a slick salesman, in fact i just think she is proud of her product. thats fine and if it is sweet, i don't blame her. but you can not possibly believe that the purpose of her being here is to merely educate, and not to sell. of course she's here to sell. that doesn't mean she's skewing results, it just means that being skeptical of her motives is not in anyway outlandish. i am a skeptic in everything until i come to my own conclusion.

no led I have ever seen has produced the results they have claimed. . . sorry but you got into a product line who has become famous for retarded claims. so now you must suffer credibility issues brought on you by others. sorry, but thats the way the cookie crumbles.

this "journal" has been more firey than most, and sorry it's that way. thats the nature of promoting a product the same time your claiming to be objective.

I'm hanging around waiting to see if i get what I am here for. . . ed rosenthal. hopefully we'll get a pic with him standing next to the grow so we can really see its him.

anyways, the people who have been in the grow room for the past year or more all know each other pretty well, SS's comparison will mean a lot more to me(us) than anything else. i don't need to look around, she brought the lights to me, and gave one to someone i trust to give good data.

if you re-read my post you will see that i never accused anyony of anything snake-oil like, in fact I commended her confidence in her product by allowing someone i know to run a comparison for me to see. . . also whether or not you want to see one compaered to a haight or not, if you are an experienced grower, just seeing the results should be good enough for you to mentally compare the results to any wattage and any kind of light.

sorry cammie for arguing on your thread, but lets keep things in proper perspective.
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I agree 100% with everything you say. And if I offended anyone, I apologise.

If you research all online material available, like I have, you would understand my frustration. I have yet to see a single grow diary that made it all the way and there have been several with pretty much all current brands and models.

And to those complaining about being treated unfairly in car showrooms etc., these are places you go specifically to buy products. You expect to be greeted by a salesperson. I was under the impression that this forum is a place for discussion and education. I am not sure how someone can be objective about a product they themselves have a vested interest in.

The 126w light claims to be able to produce the same amount or even more bud than a 400w HPS. As I said before, if this is documented and proven by a respected grower, I would be delighted and buy one immediately! I am actually for LED technology, not against it.

I am now waiting for Ed Rosenthal's results, which I am confident will be 100% genuine.
 
And to those complaining about being treated unfairly in car showrooms etc., these are places you go specifically to buy products. You expect to be greeted by a salesperson. I was under the impression that this forum is a place for discussion and education. I am not sure how someone can be objective about a product they themselves have a vested interest in.
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We've got two independent tests in the works. These will unfold over the next months. One is Haight's LEDs vs Hydro Grow's LEDs; setting sun as growmeister. Another will be done at an official 420 Magazine test facility, LED vs HPS; McBudz as growmeister. Stay tuned ;)

I know I wish I could push the fast forward button; I'm dying to see the empirical results speak for themselves :surf:
 
I just Can't understand why everyone is so neggy neg about Cammie and her LED. Noones forcing you to buy it, or tune in. I had to fight tooth and nail with these bandits about LED all the time Before Cam was here, Now she does it hahaha…

Leave Me Cammie and the other LED Enthusiasts alone "We have Enough Proof" What difference does it make if you don't like the idea of them or her selling and guiding about her products.

I also run my own business, as soon as Cammie Explained and demonstrated here units I knew it was a sure fire thing. People just don't come off the way Cammie does if your full of BS. If you had any common sense you can understand the difference.

Who do you want to buy your lights of off if you don't want to buy them off a business person representing a business??

Wal-Mart?


Smoke some weed tight cheeks, let us do the evaluation.....
 
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