i read alot about mixed spectrums. Whats been the best red/blue ratio that you as a company has discovered to be the most successful?
126W Penetrator LED Full Bloom
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thanks to both of you, hydrogrowLED and wheeloFortune, for the thorough analysis of my question.
the more i hear the more i am intrigued
the more i hear the more i am intrigued
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HydroGrowLED
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If your light ratio is more than 10% blue, you're not doing your plants many favors. Plants convert blue light into energy very efficiently during photosynthesis, but not so much with red. Our lights use 70% red, 20% white (which contains a lot of red) and 10% blue. During my research I came across patented information stating that plants don't absorb more than 8% of blue in sunlight. I tested a light with 20% blue, and another with 10% blue, and found out that they are correct. The extra blue had no added benefit to growth.
wifecaretaker
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Just bought an HPS flood light on clearance. Its 70W, is it ok to add it my 90W LED?
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HydroGrowLED
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More power never hurts...
Heat Signature
Hello,
I am very interested in buying your lights. Last year I was about to purchase the Procyon 100. That seemed to be the best LED light available. I waited because I could not find enough evidence that they were really working. Only a few growers were getting anything from them.
How do your lights compare with the Procyon 100?
What kind of heat signature do your lights give off if you were to have a room full of 20 318W lights?
Can I use your lights for both veg and flowering?
What would be the best combo if I wanted to completely avoid HID for heat issues and electrical use?
Do you offer grow room set up consulting if a large purchase was made?
Thank you.
Hello,
I am very interested in buying your lights. Last year I was about to purchase the Procyon 100. That seemed to be the best LED light available. I waited because I could not find enough evidence that they were really working. Only a few growers were getting anything from them.
How do your lights compare with the Procyon 100?
What kind of heat signature do your lights give off if you were to have a room full of 20 318W lights?
Can I use your lights for both veg and flowering?
What would be the best combo if I wanted to completely avoid HID for heat issues and electrical use?
Do you offer grow room set up consulting if a large purchase was made?
Thank you.
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HydroGrowLED
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Re: Heat Signature
The Procyon 100 uses high quality Cree LED's. They give you two colors: 1 red, 1 blue. Their blue is a 450nm and their red is a 635nm. While the lumen output of Cree LED's is undoubtedly higher that the ones used in our units, they lack the spectral diversity necessary to drive all levels of photosynthesis. From reports that I've received from people using them, they seem to work well in veg, but not so great in bloom. This is because blooming is triggered by deep red light at 667nm. They miss this output all together, which is one reason they often don't perform as well as they are rated. Several years ago Procyon was one of the best, but over the last few years there has been little to no change in their design or spectral output, leading me to believe they are doing very little development with their units.
Our units will outgrow a Procyon by quite a stretch. Making sure you use the proper nm outputs, at the proper ratios, is vital for our plants to do their complex processes. We match the points at which marijuana absorbs light and transfers it into energy most efficiently, and we don't leave out any points. We also have increased intensity with our 60 degree LED's, ensuring full penetration of your plants.
It depends on the size of the room, but it can't go much over 105 degrees, as that is the max operating temperature of these units. So if you had the units in a small area, you would likely need an A/C running part time. The heat will be nothing like HID, but these units do produce some.
Yes, they are made to be used from clone to harvest.
Yes we offer setup consulting on just about any purchase. For large orders, we often work out deals for free shipping or a discount.
The Procyon 100 uses high quality Cree LED's. They give you two colors: 1 red, 1 blue. Their blue is a 450nm and their red is a 635nm. While the lumen output of Cree LED's is undoubtedly higher that the ones used in our units, they lack the spectral diversity necessary to drive all levels of photosynthesis. From reports that I've received from people using them, they seem to work well in veg, but not so great in bloom. This is because blooming is triggered by deep red light at 667nm. They miss this output all together, which is one reason they often don't perform as well as they are rated. Several years ago Procyon was one of the best, but over the last few years there has been little to no change in their design or spectral output, leading me to believe they are doing very little development with their units.
Our units will outgrow a Procyon by quite a stretch. Making sure you use the proper nm outputs, at the proper ratios, is vital for our plants to do their complex processes. We match the points at which marijuana absorbs light and transfers it into energy most efficiently, and we don't leave out any points. We also have increased intensity with our 60 degree LED's, ensuring full penetration of your plants.
It depends on the size of the room, but it can't go much over 105 degrees, as that is the max operating temperature of these units. So if you had the units in a small area, you would likely need an A/C running part time. The heat will be nothing like HID, but these units do produce some.
Yes, they are made to be used from clone to harvest.
Yes we offer setup consulting on just about any purchase. For large orders, we often work out deals for free shipping or a discount.
This does not fill me with confidence at all. What happens if the courier loses the package and when you claim compensation, the shipping order states the value as "very low".
Insurance claims are ALWAYS based on the value stated on the shipping note.
Also, in my experience, very few boxes filled with electronics can be prevented from a "hold up in customs".
I am keen to look into one of these units, but this is not the way for me.
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HydroGrowLED
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We have not had a single package lost to date. All packages are shipped International Express and have tracking numbers. Most items arrive at their destination within 3 days of being shipped. They never spend more than a few hours in customs according to the tracking information. So if you're telling me that you're afraid to order a unit because it might get lost in the mail, that's a really poor reason.
Having a package lost is not my primary concern, although my experience with China has been far from positive - but that is a story for another time.
My main concern is that of import duty and VAT. And whether you believe it or not, this is a VERY real issue in the UK.
And you can post as many pretty pictures of massive plants with huge colas as you want. I have yet to see a single diary that documents every stage of growth under your lights - from clone to harvest.
I am not saying your products don't work, just that I take your comments with a healthy sense of skepticism, as you are after all a salesperson for these products, which is bound to limit your credibility somewhat.
Show me a diary from a respected member with regular photos from start to finish that produce half a pound of bud from a single 126w unit (your claim, not mine!), and I will buy one.
After all, if these lights are a good as you are saying, surely loads of people from this forum will jump on board. Saving money on electricity is in everyone's interest. But nobody will get on board without hard evidence. Surely you must be able to appreciate that!
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HydroGrowLED
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And that makes an ounce of difference how? You saw a complete LED bloom, so what difference does veg make? There is one thread that I could show you on a separate forum started from clone under a 318W by one of my customers, but you'd need to PM me for the link.
What I'm able to appreciate is people who don't automatically assume that I'm lying with photographs from a customer grow. She may be a personal friend, but she is still a person who spent several grand on LED and grows her plants completely separate from me. My job isn't to take the people who want the world proven to them like they're someone special, it's to educate people. Those who are educated will make wise decisions, and those who understand LED and see it's true potential are the ones who are purchasing the units. You want to see grow tests from other users who seem to believe the results with our units are truthful, here you go:
Scooby's 1st grow - LED
There are 3 users on that page with lights either installed, or on the way from us. One is currently doing a grow journal and I assume the other two may do so as well. Feel free to follow their progress along side Setting Sun, and let them do the proving to you. My job isn't to defend myself against someone who questions my credibility.
i don't know why i can't help myself but I always butt in. . .
your passion may be "educating people", but your job is sales. My job is actually educating people. thats what i get paid to do. you get paid to sell, and like the proverbial used car salesman, americans know full well to respect the old syaing "buyer be ware". . . . so actually I do think your job is to justify your credibility. . . thats why you run this journal, to try to establish credibility. it makes it harder to do that when you make claims that are kinda true but maybe just from a point of view. . . for example, you got pistils 12 hours into flower. . . it may have happened but to infer that it was the light that brought this about muddies your credibility with growers that know their shit. . . .
however, I know that you believe in your product. . . and we are all about to get (in my eyes) undeniable object results. and that is everything in my book.
Dude, there is a member of this forum that i have become friends with through our posts, and although he is not the most experienced grower here, he is good, and i trust his objectiveness.
his name is Setting Sun. you can see his outdoor gone indoor journal here:
Mini Green House Grow
it has nothing to do with LEDs though.
anyways it is my understanding that he will be running a side by side comparison of one of these guys LEDs agains a Haight model.
this should be independent enough for you to be able to trust the results, and judge the performance. SS has no interest in selling anything, he's just a nice guy that is going to compare.
I doubt you will get any exaggerations from him.
this is very commendable for SS to do, and for cammie to do. . . i'm sure she must really believe in her product to do this freely.
also, you ave to understand when you love something, it's hard to take criticism, so your tone in earlier posts could have been a bit agressive, at least for me.
anyways, no need to get mad, just wait for SS if you want an independent review bro.
GL ALL. stay happy
Slowpuffer
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But a haight model is not the comparison i want to see. I want to see just what Cammie's doing now. I want to see a grow under this 126 model, so i can compare to what a 400 watt hid produces. I know what a 400 watt hid does, so bring it on girl. And on the serious side, you can't expect anyone to take your word for anything, as most have been shucked and jived many times, and you're part of the company. I hope this works out for you, as you seem to be a nice person. I'm in line to buy a new light, and like hundreds of others, i'm waiting for the results of this grow. As the old saying goes,' i was born in the night, but not last night !! And i am special and you are too!! Good luck !! slowpuffer
scumbragger
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i don't know why i can't help myself but I always butt in. . .
your passion may be "educating people", but your job is sales. My job is actually educating people. thats what i get paid to do. you get paid to sell, and like the proverbial used car salesman, americans know full well to respect the old syaing "buyer be ware". . . . so actually I do think your job is to justify your credibility. . . thats why you run this journal, to try to establish credibility. it makes it harder to do that when you make claims that are kinda true but maybe just from a point of view. . . for example, you got pistils 12 hours into flower. . . it may have happened but to infer that it was the light that brought this about muddies your credibility with growers that know their shit. . . .
however, I know that you believe in your product. . . and we are all about to get (in my eyes) undeniable object results. and that is everything in my book.
Dude, there is a member of this forum that i have become friends with through our posts, and although he is not the most experienced grower here, he is good, and i trust his objectiveness.
his name is Setting Sun. you can see his outdoor gone indoor journal here:
Mini Green House Grow
it has nothing to do with LEDs though.
anyways it is my understanding that he will be running a side by side comparison of one of these guys LEDs agains a Haight model.
this should be independent enough for you to be able to trust the results, and judge the performance. SS has no interest in selling anything, he's just a nice guy that is going to compare.
I doubt you will get any exaggerations from him.
this is very commendable for SS to do, and for cammie to do. . . i'm sure she must really believe in her product to do this freely.
also, you ave to understand when you love something, it's hard to take criticism, so your tone in earlier posts could have been a bit agressive, at least for me.
anyways, no need to get mad, just wait for SS if you want an independent review bro.
GL ALL. stay happy
I must butt in as well for a couple of reasons....I don't know Cammie...have never spoken to her and she lives 3000 miles way in another country... but just following her (from closed threads) and from my email correspondence with her I can assure you she's a very polite and smart person but since I've had to rely on my sales abillities for the last 30 yrs I can also assure you that she by no means is a "sales person". It is something not suited for everyone!
The "dudess" is however someone who's touting something that would make her or at least her product different and there's nothing more infuriating to that person when others keep asking to prove yourself over and over. How? How is she suppose to do that with more then she's already done? Even when others independently do their tests and post their results there will still be those that won't believe it, one way or the other.
I have looked into LED's for a couple of years now. Why? Because I happen to think that they are the answer to being able to have your own personal grow anywhere you want (heat stress)for 0 $ in hydro(solar). For approx the same start up costs you would spend on a ventilated and cooled HID set up.
Cammie seems to have answered a couple of problems universally wrong with most LED's on the market...her "proof" so far has been intriguing enough that I forked over the money to have a friend test them out for me. If you can't do that rather then coming on here and insinuating that she's a snake oil salesmen, search around and I'm sure you will find others who don't mind looking like fools with new disco lights trying the units out!
For the record...I am looking at these units for the purpose of selling them!
BUT like everyone other then Cammie the proofs in the pudding and I'm betting that I won't have to put up a dance floor!
I think if you have been reading this thread you would know that there are several grows in progress and the data that you want will soon be forth coming. So just have some patience and wait. If you like what you see then you can order. If not then nobody forces you. With the info available right now it looks positive though. If the lights work they will change everything and allow people to grow safely and securely. So just hold on and wait a few weeks and you will have all your answers.
The lights will become very valuable after the test grow reports come in. Especially after consumers from forums start reporting back. So there might be a waiting period for back ordering. I remember it was hard to get Procyons for awhile because people were buying them up and they were back ordered.
The lights will become very valuable after the test grow reports come in. Especially after consumers from forums start reporting back. So there might be a waiting period for back ordering. I remember it was hard to get Procyons for awhile because people were buying them up and they were back ordered.
Why are you so hostile? Actually if I had customers like you I would say sorry buddy. I reserve the right to sell to anyone I want. And also refuse to sell to anyone I want. As a small business owner I have done just that.
If you want things from people you don't start out attacking them or being rude. There is nothing she can do now until the test grow data comes in from various grows. You know that. And all she can do is answer technical questions and also info about personal grows she has conducted herself. And since they were not conducted by an outside party as she explained, you will have to understand that.
Keep your composure and just wait for the test data to come in later. Then you will get the unbiased 3rd party data that you want. We are all waiting for it. But I don't think she would come here and have all these 3rd party tests with her lights if she was not 100% sure that they would work. If she was a fraud everyone would find out in a couple weeks and that would be the end. She knows it and everyone knows this. But she did give the lights out so she is confident in their capabilities. And that leads me to believe that they just might work! So I am waiting. I suggest you just be nice and wait like everyone too. Because we could start looking into your credibility too!
If you want things from people you don't start out attacking them or being rude. There is nothing she can do now until the test grow data comes in from various grows. You know that. And all she can do is answer technical questions and also info about personal grows she has conducted herself. And since they were not conducted by an outside party as she explained, you will have to understand that.
Keep your composure and just wait for the test data to come in later. Then you will get the unbiased 3rd party data that you want. We are all waiting for it. But I don't think she would come here and have all these 3rd party tests with her lights if she was not 100% sure that they would work. If she was a fraud everyone would find out in a couple weeks and that would be the end. She knows it and everyone knows this. But she did give the lights out so she is confident in their capabilities. And that leads me to believe that they just might work! So I am waiting. I suggest you just be nice and wait like everyone too. Because we could start looking into your credibility too!
I must butt in as well for a couple of reasons....I don't know Cammie...have never spoken to her and she lives 3000 miles way in another country... but just following her (from closed threads) and from my email correspondence with her I can assure you she's a very polite and smart person but since I've had to rely on my sales abillities for the last 30 yrs I can also assure you that she by no means is a "sales person". It is something not suited for everyone!
The "dudess" is however someone who's touting something that would make her or at least her product different and there's nothing more infuriating to that person when others keep asking to prove yourself over and over. How? How is she suppose to do that with more then she's already done? Even when others independently do their tests and post their results there will still be those that won't believe it, one way or the other.
I have looked into LED's for a couple of years now. Why? Because I happen to think that they are the answer to being able to have your own personal grow anywhere you want (heat stress)for 0 $ in hydro(solar). For approx the same start up costs you would spend on a ventilated and cooled HID set up.
Cammie seems to have answered a couple of problems universally wrong with most LED's on the market...her "proof" so far has been intriguing enough that I forked over the money to have a friend test them out for me. If you can't do that rather then coming on here and insinuating that she's a snake oil salesmen, search around and I'm sure you will find others who don't mind looking like fools with new disco lights trying the units out!
For the record...I am looking at these units for the purpose of selling them!
BUT like everyone other then Cammie the proofs in the pudding and I'm betting that I won't have to put up a dance floor!
lol, i agree with most of that SBragger, I never suggested that she was a slick salesman, in fact i just think she is proud of her product. thats fine and if it is sweet, i don't blame her. but you can not possibly believe that the purpose of her being here is to merely educate, and not to sell. of course she's here to sell. that doesn't mean she's skewing results, it just means that being skeptical of her motives is not in anyway outlandish. i am a skeptic in everything until i come to my own conclusion.
no led I have ever seen has produced the results they have claimed. . . sorry but you got into a product line who has become famous for retarded claims. so now you must suffer credibility issues brought on you by others. sorry, but thats the way the cookie crumbles.
this "journal" has been more firey than most, and sorry it's that way. thats the nature of promoting a product the same time your claiming to be objective.
I'm hanging around waiting to see if i get what I am here for. . . ed rosenthal. hopefully we'll get a pic with him standing next to the grow so we can really see its him.
anyways, the people who have been in the grow room for the past year or more all know each other pretty well, SS's comparison will mean a lot more to me(us) than anything else. i don't need to look around, she brought the lights to me, and gave one to someone i trust to give good data.
if you re-read my post you will see that i never accused anyony of anything snake-oil like, in fact I commended her confidence in her product by allowing someone i know to run a comparison for me to see. . . also whether or not you want to see one compaered to a haight or not, if you are an experienced grower, just seeing the results should be good enough for you to mentally compare the results to any wattage and any kind of light.
sorry cammie for arguing on your thread, but lets keep things in proper perspective.
You can look at what I'm going to be doing as a product comparison or just focus on each product independently and see how it performs in relation to what you already know a 400 HID can do.
The information you're looking for will be there.
Thanx for the reply that clears up a big question in my head. As wellas a debate i've had going for sometime.Much love
Scooby_Snacks
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I think anyone who reads Cammie as a salesperson has misjudged her. I don't know her other than from reading her forums and some back and forth during my purchase. The reason I got her light without seeing a completed grow was because I judged her as a person who believes in their product with everything they have, because they know it works. I've seen it before in others. I've seen her answer every technical question regarding her lights alone and her lights compared with others. Where I've seen other company owners hide behind "trade secrets", "patents" and supposed PHD's working in the backroom. Cammie has been the only one to answer all questions posed with specific answers as to why something works and why it doesn't. I took a leap of faith I don't expect everyone to take, some people need a guarantee, but i trust my gut read on her.
