12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HPS

[LuCHiMcPuffen]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

Still tuned in.. Enjoying your progress and learning tons!! Keep up the good work bro... I can't wait til I start to flower .


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[millertm]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

I'm seeing a few white stippling tracks on a few leafs. Keep an eye out for fresh spots. Plants are a bit dark green, I'd back off N some as well. Very clean setup.

Cheers

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[ShiggityFlip]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

Slight hooking like that is not a real concern just keep an eye on it. They look fabulous to me. Sucks about the new/used fan. Did they think no one would notice?

 

[Major PITA]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

Tell them you wanted a fan that sucks - not a seller that sucks.

 

[TheFertilizer]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

Tell them you wanted a fan that sucks - not a seller that sucks.

I think I said "The only thing that blows is your service" lol No I didn't at all, but I should have!

Slight hooking like that is not a real concern just keep an eye on it. They look fabulous to me. Sucks about the new/used fan. Did they think no one would notice?

I have no idea but looking at their seller feedback I'm not the only one. I guess it pays to look at that before ordering.

I'm seeing a few white stippling tracks on a few leafs. Keep an eye out for fresh spots. Plants are a bit dark green, I'd back off N some as well. Very clean setup.

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I thought I saw some stippling too, but I've been keeping vigilant for mites and I don't see any black spots under the leaves. There's plenty of white debris on the leaves, but I think that's from my dandruff lmao There are some interesting looking spots on the leaves though for sure. Don't really remind me of mite damage though when viewed up close and they seem mostly confined to the edges.

They look as if they're super over-watered, but I haven't watered since last Saturday and they're feeling pretty light as if they're drinking plenty--plus the leaves feel crinkly and dry, not limp and soft. Then if that wasn't confusing enough, one of the PGSC plants looks heat stressed, while the other looks droopy and overwatered like the rest.

Sooo I don't know, but I'm going to follow the less is more mantra and not mess with them, there's nothing I can do at this point that wouldn't make the issue worse anyway. Hopefully they'll perk back up by this weekend, but if not I am going to leach the soil with some water pH'd to 6.5 because I'm just not confident in the pH being right after the neem and probiotic drenches. I am wondering if it could be a sulfur issue too with the purple/red on the stems and petioles. Hoping to not have to do something so drastic, especially since most of them are now showing preflowers.

Otherwise I moved the light up a little bit more. It's now 3 feet off the ground and about 17 inches above the highest plant. I would have liked to keep it right on top of the plants, and it doesn't seem like there's any heat coming off it at a lower level but I figure I can rule out heat stress and still have adequate light. I sometimes have sensitivity issues in my hands so I am thinking maybe it's hotter on top of them than I feel like it is in my hand.

Maybe it could just be the stress of switching into flower? Anyone have any opinions on when I should change my bulb back to HPS?

Thanks for reading everyone! LuChiMcPuffen, I'd be careful learning anything from me. ;P

Massively red stems/petioles on this Blackberry

You can see one leaf tip curling right in on this other Blackberry

Weird markings on leaves. No black spots under and they don't quite look like mite damage, they're more like pale/brown little dots progressing into holes. Necrotic spots?

The leaves on this Blackberry look much different from the rest, think it's a different phenotype

Blackberry Kush with a firey red petiole

One of two Blackberry Kushes that's not showing sex yet

Platinum Girl Scout Cookies 1

Platinum Girl Scout Cookies 2

The least droopiest Blackberry Kush flowering

The most droopiest

That big white speck over there on the leaf is dandruff, I need more head and shoulders lol

Frankenberry leaves with some weird issues.

Ol' red stems has the easiest to see pistils

 

[Far East Buds]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

Have you checked to see what your run off PH is? Yes there is an issue and i would say heat or PH is off causing it to lock out stuff...(6.5 is ideal for soil i think) But heck what do I know.



FE

 

[TheFertilizer]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

Have you checked to see what your run off PH is? Yes there is an issue and i would say heat or PH is off causing it to lock out stuff...(6.5 is ideal for soil i think) But heck what do I know.



FE

I forgot to do that last time I gave them any of plain water so I will have to do it next time.

It's probably pretty eradic though, when I drenched with neem it came out at like 8 and I don't know what the pH with the OG Tea was but that stuff usually brings the solution into the 4 range due to the acids and I don't bother to correct it because it just falls back down even after adding pH up. With plain water though I only give them 6.5 pH water. The neem drench was a really long time ago in terms of their life, back before I transplanted. However since I used the OG Tea since then, I would have to wager it's too acidic, but just guessing.

 

[TheFertilizer]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

Okay well, I watered the lightest one just to test the run off. I don't think it was very wet still but I'm not really sure I'm letting them get as dry as I could. There wasn't any hint of moisture in the soil I could see through the drainage holes, plus I could stick my entire finger into the soil and not feel moisture so hopefully I didn't over-water it at least. I wanted to try to take it out and see how the roots have developed, but it didn't even seem like the old root ball had rooted into the newer soil, I could see the form of the solo cup staying solid while the dirt it was transplanted into just shifted around it. Tomorrow would be a week from watering last.

Anyway, watered with water pH'd to 6 and it came out about the same, maybe a little higher still between 6 and 6.5 so I don't think it's a pH issue, at least not the soil pH.

I've taken a look at every deficiency chart I can find and I'm actually seeing some hints at potassium. From what I've read it's easy to miss at first and a lot of the major signs, necrotic spots and distortion the leaves on younger leaves and the tips curling down showed up on the deficiency flow charts. The only thing is, the OG Tea has an NPK rating of 2-0-2 and the Flora Nova I am using has an NPK of 8-4-7 so I shouldn't be lacking any K. I am wondering if since the only time I've introduced a nutrient solution it's been 1/4 strength and at an acidic level if it just got blocked from being absorbed from the plant, which is especially plausible since I've known the acids in OG Tea to drop the pH down to 4-5 range where K is unavailable for uptake.

I've got some Humboldt's own "Deep Breath" which is pretty much all potassium. I could try watering with some of that, it's pretty mild percentage though, I think I'm better off just waiting to water with like an 1/8th strength solution of the Flora Nova that's pH'd properly.

 

[TheFertilizer]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

Well it looks like they needed water! I am starting to get a feel for the weight of the pot when it's dry but more telling I'd the soil surface. It gets really hard and compact when dry, even when it's only a little bit wet at the bottom, it stays kind of spongy feeling.

All the pots run off came in at 6.5-7, I watered with 6.5. I decided to give it a foliar feed of 1 ml Flora Nova Bloom and 5 ml of Armor Si, which might have been a little much actually. That should give it a really healthy dose of potassium though, and I figured foliar feeding would give it some before waiting for the pots to dry out again.

 

[TheFertilizer]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

Here are some pics from this morning. Oh they're all female! The ones in the front row are just now showing tiny little pistils.

Still a little concerned about the Frankenberry but hopefully it will pick back up now that it's not water stressed. I think I need to take off this big fan leaf so the side branch under it can get some light.

 

[TheFertilizer]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

Picture update... Switched to HPS bulb today since they're all starting to flower. The pictures got kind of out of order, each one is a close up or two of the plant's pistils and then a profile view of the plant. I'm excited to see genuine flowers blooming. A little vexed by the issues on my leaves, I think I may have just burnt them. Crazy with as diluted as a nutrient mix I gave them, but they're starting to get little holes and the Frankenberry shows burnt tips and I don't see any signs of pests so I don't know what else it could be. The watering and foliar fed kicked the humidity up a little bit, maybe I'll continue to foliar feed since that seems like the one thing that's not in optimal range.

Does anyone think I still need to set my light a little higher? It's 3 feet above the ground, and I think you guys can get a good idea of how tall the plants are, but the biggest Kush ones are still almost a full 17" away. I'm seeing some light green streaks that look a little like light burn just looking at this Jorge Cervantes book my buddy lent me, but I don't see any signs of bleaching.

Anyway I might give it a few days before my next update unless something major goes wrong. No real need for the incessant updates

All are 37 days from seed, approximate amount of days since sprout varies...

Platinum Girl Scout Cookies 25 days above ground

Blackberry Kush (Weird Leaf) 29 days above ground

Frankenberry 33 days above ground

Blackberry Kush (Ol Red stem) 29 days above ground

Blackberry Kush (Big Bertha) 34 days above ground

Blackberry Kush (Bigger Bertha) 34 days above ground

Blackberry Kush (Runt) 29 days above ground

Platinum Girl Scout Cookies ( The Other One) 26 days above ground

Blackberry Kush (Shorty) 29 days above ground

 

[Amadeus Forzin]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

Stunning

 

[Major PITA]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

I see no evidence of burn from too heavy nute's. If you suspect the holes are from a burn, I'd stop the foliars. They are more likely to cause a burn than a plant fed via the roots. Forget about measuring the light from the floor. The only thing that matters are the plants. I'd keep the tallest one off to the side and try to average it out so the closest ones remain about 16" away.

 

[TheFertilizer]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

Well I just decided to take some pics of these new pretty flowers forming and document these leaves yellowing. I could go try and guess what it's deficient on but since everything is in optimal range as far as environment and pH I think I will just give a complete feeding. My Flora Nova nutrients have pretty much every trace elements they would need. I think I will try 2 mL per gallon that way I can still add Armor So without sparking the K too high.

It's kind of weird GH's feeding chart says I should be doing doing 2.5 but the bottle says 5. They already tolerated 1.5 fine when younger so I wonder if I should just do the full 2.5 mL.

Still not sure why the Frankenberry has all the necrotic mark on its leaves. I can't find much information on the strain but I think it's sativa dominant in maybe it especially doesn't like the low humidity.

Oh and is it a problem on that last plant that some of the finger on the fan leaf are thinner than the rest? They seem kind of rolled up like a scroll.

 

[Major PITA]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

I'm not seeing any deficiencies, but maybe I'm missing the symptoms in your pictures.
Sorry, but to my eyes it is just the look of small pots and over-watering.

 

[TheFertilizer]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

I'm not seeing any deficiencies, but maybe I'm missing the symptoms in your pictures.
Sorry, but to my eyes it is just the look of small pots and over-watering.

It's hard to see the yellowing on the leaves due to the color balances, but it's kind of a blotchy yellowing instead of just uniform, but seems to gradually go uniform and the die off. I mean it looks kind of normal from what I have seen lower leaves do before but the Frankenberry's weird little necrotic marks around the leaf edges is what I think is really odd.

The color balance is easier to see in the second picture, in the very lower right corner you can see the yellowing, the first one is the same leaf but the coloring of the HPS and camera make it look greener.

Frankenberry...

I don't know what to say to the over-watered appearance, pretty sure they were just about to wilt before the last drench--documented with pictures a few posts back I'll repost below to really show the difference. As far as the small pots, meaning they look root bound? From what I can tell they haven't even made a good enough root ball to take out of the container.

Here they are, I guess the angle is slightly off on the second one making it seem like they might have perked up a little more but I think it's more than the angle ( watch the biggest one especially) , but this is pre-drench and post-drench on the last water...

Before

After

I am afraid if I let them dry out any more then I did on that round their leaves will crinkle up and take permanent damage. We're talking feather light pots, bone dry dirt even using the whole finger, leaves drooping and rough as sandpaper... I mean unless I am supposed to wait until they look dead I am not sure how much further I could dry them lol

 

[Far East Buds]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

If it is starting at the lower leaves and working it's way up the plant then it is not getting what it needs from the roots and feedings and is using up the leaves to keep producing.. stay alive. I had a bad case of root issue's and some plants never recovered and ate the leaves right up til harvest. I am not sure the solution. I would start normal waterings with a very lite feed maybe every other day or so and look for new growth in the tops. The other stuff may continue to deteriorate but if you see new growth I would pay close attention the what those leaves are saying... trying to help but I am not super experienced...



FE

 

[Major PITA]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

I agree with you from your last pictures. It does look like they responded positively to the drink you gave them.
I see the marks on the leaves. No idea what caused it. It doesn't match any nutrient problem I know of.
Lower leaves getting lighter and yellow once in bloom is very common so I don't get too worried about that.
The general fan leaf shape is what makes me wonder what is going on. They have the look of too much water, but it can also result from other things like root problems. They do look a little lighter green in these photos too. You could try more nute's but in the other photos it looked like you were getting some claw. Dunno - I'm stumped. After all the grows I watch, I've forgotten. Have you had a look at their roots recently?
All-in-all they are doing fine so don't sweat it and enjoy the ride.

 

[TheFertilizer]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

No not yet, last time I tried to take one out of the pot the old pot it didn't seem like it would stay together as one big root ball so it's almost like I am lacking root development. That's one effect of K defiencny that I was worried about and I read somewhere (of course I can't remember where now) that it can cause the leaf hook too. I am wondering if there will even be a good reason to transplant into 3 gallon pots if they don't fill in by mid flower. Or is it already too late to make a difference now?

I am trying not to make mountain out of mole hills but keep track of things I can improve on the next go around, if I end up sticking with this method I wanna dial it in to be stress-free, get as much bud as I can as fast as I can.

To be honest I am kind of regretting not just doing other usual veg/flower method, but I gotta wait to see how much I yield before I really discount it. I am worried that if I don't get an ounce per plant I will blow through the whole harvest before the next one is done. I smoke a lot lol

I have 9 of the BBK and 14 of the PGSC to go through before I try ordering seeds. Not looking forward to that, I live in a legal state but it just piques my anxiety.

 

[redmud]

Re: 12/12 Bag Seed - Blackberry Kush - Frankenberry - Girl Scout Cookies - 400W MH/HP

I am on my second round of BBk and i figured out that they like a big pot to stretch out their roots their light eaters, and light drinkers, their stems and branches naturally go purple in flower and when the avg temperature is to low. She will grow in less than ideal conditions though and still put out some good bud mine never thrived until the avg temps were in the mid 80s