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[IrishBoy]

I just cut out hygrozyme a few rounds ago and my root systems are doing so much better, and thats even with warmer temps in my res. My plants in the early stages seemed to like the stuff but then as time went on my root systems looked worse than before I started using it. And that shit is expensive, not as bad as the AN stuff sensizyme or sumthan like that. Either way I think both are way too expensive and I personally will not use it again.

really? ive always heard all kinds of hype about that stuff. everyone swore by it and said they had root rot and within 2 weeks it was gone. but i wasn't sure if i wanted to spend that high price just for preventive and i didnt know for sure if it was legit or not?

Thanks for sharing that info with me.

 

[IrishBoy]

WTF is wrong with my girls?? i went into the room today and 2 of the girls are not looking too good. i checked the runoff and it was 5.7 its the sunshine and perlite mix ones. the 2 that are in just 100% perlite are perfect green with no problems.

they have all been feed the same from the same tank. anyone have any idea on what this is?

 

[crazy horse]

this is just a guess....
could the nutes already in your sunshine mix + your other nutes in your tank combined be over doing things?? and thats why the 100% perlite pots are ok.

 

[IrishBoy]

this is just a guess....
could the nutes already in your sunshine mix + your other nutes in your tank combined be over doing things?? and thats why the 100% perlite pots are ok.

no theirs no food in sunshine mix.

 

[IrishBoy]

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wtf is wrong with my girls?? I went into the room today and 2 of the girls are not looking too good. I checked the runoff and it was 5.7 its the sunshine and perlite mix ones. The 2 that are in just 100% perlite are perfect green with no problems.

They have all been feed the same from the same tank. Anyone have any idea on what this is?

 

[crazy horse]

i found this.

Magnesium gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 2.0-6.4
Magnesium is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 6.5-9.1 .

 

[IrishBoy]

what i am thinking is the peat moss in the sunshine mix is screwing things up? and locking out either Magnesium or zinc. ive been adding cal/mag plus to my feedings though. i dont know whats getting locked out? last feeding i ched the run off and it was around PH 5.7 i dont know whats going on but its weired that the perlite ones are fine. one other sunshine one is starting to show this but real lite and the last sunshine on is fine.

 

[IrishBoy]

i found this.

Magnesium gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 2.0-6.4
Magnesium is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 6.5-9.1 .

i was afraid of having two different mixes like i have. i ran out of sunshine on the last 2 pots and didnt want to buy a big bale of it to just use a little bit on the last two pots. maybe i can add more cal/mag plus. ive been feeding on the low side 1tsp per gal. the bottle says use 1tsp for regular feeding and for advance use 2tsp. maybe i should pump it up to 2tsp per feeding?

 

[IrishBoy]

i found this.

Magnesium gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 2.0-6.4
Magnesium is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 6.5-9.1 .

Hydro and Soil less Mediums

Magnesium gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 2.0-5.7
Magnesium is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 5.8-9.1
(Wouldn’t recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Magnesium deficiency.

i was afraid of having two different mixes like i have. i ran out of sunshine on the last 2 pots and didnt want to buy a big bale of it to just use a little bit on the last two pots. maybe i can add more cal/mag plus. ive been feeding on the low side 1tsp per gal. the bottle says use 1tsp for regular feeding and for advance use 2tsp. maybe i should pump it up to 2tsp per feeding? last time i fed them the PH was 5.8

 

[falcore]

do they look like they are burning or a nutrient def?
is it possible that the sunshine mix is absorbing some of the nutes and causing something of a build up? while the perlite is allowing the solution to flow through and wash away more of the nutrients. i got no science or experience to back up it up.
would it be worth while to add another res to feed the sunshine mix plants with a lower dose of nutes?

 

[crazy horse]

i was afraid of having two different mixes like i have. i ran out of sunshine on the last 2 pots and didnt want to buy a big bale of it to just use a little bit on the last two pots. maybe i can add more cal/mag plus. ive been feeding on the low side 1tsp per gal. the bottle says use 1tsp for regular feeding and for advance use 2tsp. maybe i should pump it up to 2tsp per feeding?

ye, maybe try it with one plant and see what happens.

At least you can veg you perlite plants up more to fill the space if all goes pear shaped!

 

[HorseBadoritz]

Irish, my girls showed the same thing after I hempied them into pure perlite. My cause was stupidity... the roots hadn't hit the rez, and I was side watering every 2-3 days with no nutes. They were starving.

DocBud prescribed a 2-3 times a day watering regime on the dirt root balls. Lite nutes pHed to 5.8.

They're not getting worse

 

[Keith Lake]

I agree it probably magnesium deficiency - see the photo - looks the same.

I forget which medium you're using - soiless? So a good flush and include Cal Mag in next feeding?

 

[TorturedSoul]

Is that discoloration along the veins & not in the margins? Are they getting crinkly too or just discolored? Have you tried dropping the CalMag and temporarily substituting epsom salts?

 

[usul]

About the plant problems - the pots with sunshine mix clearly need something different than the 100% perlite pots. If mag is getting locked out I don't think adding more CalMag+ will help - the way to solve the lockout problem (if that's what it is) would be to up the pH - maybe to 6.5 or so.

If you're going to flush I'd include 5ml/gallon of CalMag+ in the flush. I add CalMag+ to every watering and my plants have always been super healthy looking. I also add Hygrozyme to every watering. I've never grown without it so can't say if it helps a lot, a little or not at all but, as they say, if it 'aint broke don't fix it.

Regarding H2O2, I read a research study that tested a bunch of different things on root rot and the *only* thing they found that killed the bad stuff without killing the plants was H2O2. 5ml/gallon (of the 3% solution) is a safe dose and should be added every day.

Fingers crossed for you bro

 

[Setting Sun]

I agree with Usul.

I think you might need to run the PH a bit higher in the buckets with the Sunshine/perlite.

My guess is that the peat in the Sunshine mix is dropping your PH too low.

I wouldn't try to fix it too fast though. Maybe a good flush followed by a 6.2 feeding, then go to 6.5 and see how it goes.

 

[John Whorfin]

Irish, yes the H202 will work to fight off the baddies in your water. Stupid shit is I KNEW this years ago and forgot(stoner move) and re-asked the q concerning it's use when cloning. But it will help. I read 30 ml per gallon but I have been using it at 10 ml per quart in my micro bubbler with no issues. I do have a question for the panel however... how long does H202 last in the water before it needs to be re-introduced?? .V.

Don't worry about it Vipers, I've forgotten more than I remember at this point in life
I wonder about this to, I think its 24hrs and it basically turns to water, anyone know for sure?

J.W.

 

[TorturedSoul]

Regarding H2O2, I read a research study that tested a bunch of different things on root rot and the *only* thing they found that killed the bad stuff without killing the plants was H2O2. 5ml/gallon (of the 3% solution) is a safe dose and should be added every day.

I'm wanting to say that I used to add 17ml/gal of 3% for simple maintenance - well, for the O2 boost, mainly - quite often (when adding liquid or changing reservoir, and every warm day that I remembered) in DWC and the plants never minded a bit. I remember for sure adding 25ml/gal but I'm thinking that 17ml/gal was the regular amount.

I've used spray-bottles full of 3% H2O2 to drench root systems when the plants were pulled from the reservoirs, in order to prevent any problems and as a way to clean them before sticking them back in. I'd shake them off before replacing them but would guess that the total amount clinging to them would have worked out to be more than my normal mix - not to mention that the ratio of H2O2 for a drench would have been... 3785 ml per gal, lol (straight).

Of course, I would not fill a reservoir solely with H2O2 and leave it. But the drenches didn't seem to hurt things.

My guess is that the peat in the Sunshine mix is dropping your PH too low.

Makes sense. I've read that as peat breaks down it screws (with) the pH that way. Guessing that it's part of the reason that people adjust the water/feed for soil plants to a higher pH. Also guessing that if you're going to run "soilless" and treat it like a hydro setup for feeding purposes, to not add peat.

I wonder about this to, I think its 24hrs and it basically turns to water, anyone know for sure?

It breaks down and starts doing so - to a small degree - the moment you open the bottle. It doesn't stay in there all fine and then suddenly vanish at the 24-hour mark (I know that's not what you meant). I'd guess that in low concentration doses it'd be gone in a fair bit less than 24 hours. Especially in a "healthy" setup because agitation (/mixing/aeration causing disturbances) only increases the speed at which it breaks down.

 

[IrishBoy]

do they look like they are burning or a nutrient def?
is it possible that the sunshine mix is absorbing some of the nutes and causing something of a build up? while the perlite is allowing the solution to flow through and wash away more of the nutrients. i got no science or experience to back up it up.
would it be worth while to add another res to feed the sunshine mix plants with a lower dose of nutes?

i dont think thats what it is. its most likely a PH issue

ye, maybe try it with one plant and see what happens.

At least you can veg you perlite plants up more to fill the space if all goes pear shaped!

true, but ill get her fixed

Irish, my girls showed the same thing after I hempied them into pure perlite. My cause was stupidity... the roots hadn't hit the rez, and I was side watering every 2-3 days with no nutes. They were starving.

DocBud prescribed a 2-3 times a day watering regime on the dirt root balls. Lite nutes pHed to 5.8.

They're not getting worse

they have hit the res for sure, its a PH thing thats causing lockout

I agree it probably magnesium deficiency - see the photo - looks the same.

I forget which medium you're using - soiless? So a good flush and include Cal Mag in next feeding?

yup I was looking at the same pic.lol. looks like her

Is that discoloration along the veins & not in the margins? Are they getting crinkly too or just discolored? Have you tried dropping the CalMag and temporarily substituting epsom salts?

no not crinkly looking just the color. i have not tried epsom salt, where do i get it at? any store or does it have to be a certain type? what dosage do you recommend?

About the plant problems - the pots with sunshine mix clearly need something different than the 100% perlite pots. If mag is getting locked out I don't think adding more CalMag+ will help - the way to solve the lockout problem (if that's what it is) would be to up the pH - maybe to 6.5 or so.

If you're going to flush I'd include 5ml/gallon of CalMag+ in the flush. I add CalMag+ to every watering and my plants have always been super healthy looking. I also add Hygrozyme to every watering. I've never grown without it so can't say if it helps a lot, a little or not at all but, as they say, if it 'aint broke don't fix it.

Regarding H2O2, I read a research study that tested a bunch of different things on root rot and the *only* thing they found that killed the bad stuff without killing the plants was H2O2. 5ml/gallon (of the 3% solution) is a safe dose and should be added every day.

Fingers crossed for you bro

good advice, and i agree

I agree with Usul.

I think you might need to run the PH a bit higher in the buckets with the Sunshine/perlite.

My guess is that the peat in the Sunshine mix is dropping your PH too low.

I wouldn't try to fix it too fast though. Maybe a good flush followed by a 6.2 feeding, then go to 6.5 and see how it goes.

i agree 100% it has to be the peat dropping the PH. i should have added some lime to the mix. i will raise the PH and see how it does

 

[IrishBoy]

ok so i think i found out how to cure my problem. i have a friend thats been growing in sunshine for years and i was telling him my problem, he said he uses his PH @ 6.0 with SunShine#4 and has no problems. i was talking to him about my mix and i learned i was mixing my nutes the wrong way. i was mixing the 3 part 1st and he said i have to mix the H2O2 1st then the silica and then the 3 part. he told me ur res gets all cloudy when you add the silica right? and i said yes he said i breaking up the nutes and causing lockout. the silica goes 1st before your main nutes.

I dont know how true this is but its worth a try, his plants are always great. but my only question is then why wouldn't the perlite ones be getting the same problem since its the same mix to them? he was saying something about the sun shine is holding too much moister and thats why