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[IrishBoy]

here ya go bro:

Fertilizer Product Information

your the man bro! thank you very much!
as i was afraid of no Cal in it. man i hate when theirs no cal in the food.lol

wonder how mater magic would work with that one? I am thinking mater magic mixed with DM red is going to do wonders? shit it might do good mixed with any of the TRF'S?

 

[MountainHigh]

your the man bro! thank you very much!
as i was afraid of no Cal in it. man i hate when theirs no cal in the food.lol

wonder how mater magic would work with that one? I am thinking mater magic mixed with DM red is going to do wonders? shit it might do good mixed with any of the TRF'S?

Yes..I concur...

(Edit : I think Mater Magic is road kill, but I have no proof...works good though or has for me).

 

[HorseBadoritz]

Yes..I concur...

(Edit : I think Mater Magic is road kill, but I have no proof...works good though or has for me).

No kidding, I picked some up at HD yesterday and it smelled like something my dog would buy for cologne... I had to play with a bottle of fish emulsion to get the smell off

 

[Setting Sun]

Before they knew I valued such things, my dogs knocked a couple of outdoor pots over so they could roll in the dirt after I used fish ferts, so watch out for fido .

yep, the Mater Magic is rank, but MH, that plant you posted with the Mater Magic/OC+ combo is just beautiful!

Being slow-release, maybe the Mater Magic helps fill in any gaps produced by temps/irrigation in controlled-release OC+, Dynamite, etc.

In any case, I've got two of those goofy looking little tomato bottles that I need to use up somehow, so I'll work them into my plans somewhere .

My gut feeling is that mixing a good TRF with a good CRF is a very good idea, and it keeps the grow "just add water" if that's what you want to do, which is something I don't want to compromise on.

It's just too easy to go back to mixing nutes. You still have the option of adding supplements if you want to, but it's nice to have the choice.

My current plants are swelling and frosting up pretty well on just the DM and OC+, so it looks like they're getting everything they need.

I'm glad the weather cooled down, I had temps in the mid 80's and RH up to 55 a few days ago. Much better now, and that's really going to help with the second half of bloom.

I think I'll try the Mater Magic/OC+ combo when I transplant the two Sunset Kush moms I'm going to flower out. See how that works in coco.

 

[Tyrone Hamilton]

We need to start a more general TRF / CRF thread than the oc+ one... and maybe a CMH thread too... it's so awesome to share info and ideas with every one of you guys... and it's not just the blue widow speaking...

 

[Doc Bud]

We need to start a more general TRF / CRF thread than the oc+ one... and maybe a CMH thread too... it's so awesome to share info and ideas with every one of you guys... and it's not just the blue widow speaking...

I tell ya what....get Scott's or Florikan as a sponsor. As soon as the word gets out that cannabis grows like any other plant, there's gonna be a seachange in the rip-off business of Cannabis nutes.

 

[Two Tokes]

Mater magic might smell but it sure works great. I have been using the Mater magic mixed with the standard DM Organic and through the veg stage have had no problems. The plants are doing great. We'll see soon how it does in flowering.

 

[IrishBoy]

ill respond to the post latter kinda busy, but i wanted everyone to post a pic of their TRF on my thread , let see how its working for everyone. i would enjoy that allot. you can also add ur link under the pic if you have a thread. show off ur girls

 

[Grower Z]

Mater Magic stinks? Haven't used it yet, but I think the OC+ stinks. I mean you have to get up close to smell it, but that jug has a weird scientific rankness to it.

 

[Grower Z]

I think I'll try the Mater Magic/OC+ combo when I transplant the two Sunset Kush moms I'm going to flower out. See how that works in coco.

Very similar to what I just started with the OC+ / Bio-tone Starter plus, accept the Bio-tone includes bacteria and fungi...

 

[Grower Z]

ive always done better with a soiless mix and i also like the Fact that the SS#4 has no foods in it so i control all the feeding.

Don't discount the starter nutrient charge in the SS#4. This gives a nice boost to transplants, especially when their in a state of being watered/fertilized less often...

The last plain coir grow I did with Peters hydro + calcinit also included a couple of plants in Metro-Mix 560coir that includes a starter nutrient charge. Everything was transplanted on the same day and at roughly the same size, but the plants in the metro-mix grew considerably taller with more nodes and a higher yield.

 

[IrishBoy]

Yes..I concur...

(Edit : I think Mater Magic is road kill, but I have no proof...works good though or has for me).

Very similar to what I just started with the OC+ / Bio-tone Starter plus, accept the Bio-tone includes bacteria and fungi...

ive been looking all over for that stuff. i want to use that Bio-tone Starter plus real bad on my next grow.

After seeing ur post of the micros on this stuff i could use this over the mater magic, ive been wanting to use it because of all the micro life in it, but since it has cal in it then its game on.

By fungi, I was referring to the mycorrhizae. The product has both ecto and endo mycorrhizae, in addition to the beneficial bacteria. Here's the label from espoma.com:

Non-Plant Food Ingredients:
Contains 5,678,688 colony forming units (CFU�s) per lb. (378,579 CFU�s per lb. each of the following 15 species):
Bacillus subtilis
Paenibacillus polymyxa
Bacillus licheniformis
Pseudomonas alcaligenes
Bacillus megaterium
Pseudomonas chlororaphis
Bacillus marinus
Pseudomonas putida
Bacillus coagulans
Acidovorax facilis
Bacillus thuringiensis
Arthrobacter agilis
Bacillus pumilis
Rhodococcus rhodochorus
Bacillus lentimorbus
Ectomycorrhizal Fungi: 44,200,000 propagules/lb. of the following 8 species:
Pisiolithus tinctorius (40,000,000 propagules/lb.)
Scleroderma Citrinni (1,000,000 propagules/lb.)
Scleroderma Cepa (1,000,000 propagules/lb.)
Laccaria Bicolor (200,000 propagules/lb.)
Rhizopogon Roseolus (500,000 propagules/lb.)
Rhizopogon Subscaerelescens (500,000 propagules/lb.)
Rhizopogon villosuli (500,000 propagules/lb.)

Endomycorrhizal Fungi: 1,200 propagules per lb. of the following 2 species:
Glomus aggregatum (600 propagules/lb.)
Glomus intraradices (600 propagules/lb.)

Sizes: Available in 4 lb. and 25 lb. bags

Bio-tone� Starter Plus is an all natural plant food enhanced with biostimulants, beneficial bacteria and mycorrhizae. This proprietary formula works naturally within the soil to help plants establish fast, withstand environmental stress, promote deeper roots better blooms ,and improve soil structure.


Microbe enhanced all natural plant food
Includes both Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizae
Grows larger root mass to help plants establish fast
Reduces transplant loss

 

[IrishBoy]

Before they knew I valued such things, my dogs knocked a couple of outdoor pots over so they could roll in the dirt after I used fish ferts, so watch out for fido .

yep, the Mater Magic is rank, but MH, that plant you posted with the Mater Magic/OC+ combo is just beautiful!

Being slow-release, maybe the Mater Magic helps fill in any gaps produced by temps/irrigation in controlled-release OC+, Dynamite, etc.

In any case, I've got two of those goofy looking little tomato bottles that I need to use up somehow, so I'll work them into my plans somewhere .

My gut feeling is that mixing a good TRF with a good CRF is a very good idea, and it keeps the grow "just add water" if that's what you want to do, which is something I don't want to compromise on.

It's just too easy to go back to mixing nutes. You still have the option of adding supplements if you want to, but it's nice to have the choice.

My current plants are swelling and frosting up pretty well on just the DM and OC+, so it looks like they're getting everything they need.

I'm glad the weather cooled down, I had temps in the mid 80's and RH up to 55 a few days ago. Much better now, and that's really going to help with the second half of bloom.

I think I'll try the Mater Magic/OC+ combo when I transplant the two Sunset Kush moms I'm going to flower out. See how that works in coco.

yes mater magic will be in my next grow maybe with all my other TRF or just the DM red for sure? ill have to think about it.

Yes..I concur...

(Edit : I think Mater Magic is road kill, but I have no proof...works good though or has for me).

for real, never smelled it.

We need to start a more general TRF / CRF thread than the oc+ one... and maybe a CMH thread too... it's so awesome to share info and ideas with every one of you guys... and it's not just the blue widow speaking...

sounds like a good idea.

I tell ya what....get Scott's or Florikan as a sponsor. As soon as the word gets out that cannabis grows like any other plant, there's gonna be a seachange in the rip-off business of Cannabis nutes.

thats for sure

Mater magic might smell but it sure works great. I have been using the Mater magic mixed with the standard DM Organic and through the veg stage have had no problems. The plants are doing great. We'll see soon how it does in flowering.

ill look into that for sure.

 

[MountainHigh]

Hey seen the invite to show my Mater Magic / OC+ girls off. I added some organic supplements and buffering to Roots Organic, then put a full dose according to the bottle of Mater Magic and 1/3 dose of OC+. My reasoning was to add more sources for the same nutes so she can be picky.

I have been watering and water/mollasses only.

I am gonna harvest a cola off this girl to meet my needs and let her go another week or so, or the whole thing...OCD thing I don't always have control over...

This is my Super Lemon Haze in that mix...only thing I added besides molasses (every 3rd watering approximately) was her initial hydrated lime (tablespoon in a gallon of water), she was the girl I noticed the low PH on...the others got preventative liming to start with.

And this is my Cheese on day 36 of 12/12. Same deal, no other supplements.

I think these "cheap" nutes work pretty okie dokie.

I have another 5 ft SLH that kinda went giant on me when I decided to not control her.

(Hope you don't mind the pics, if too much let me know I can edit post.)

 

[IrishBoy]

nice pics MH

i thought ill throw a few pics up also i just took. of mainly the DM red and one of the OC+

the Red DM plants are so fat i cant put both of my hands together around it. i have some big hands to.

heres the OC+ big cola

Heres the DM Red plants, these are just two of the bigger tops.

 

[turttle]

nice pics MH

i thought ill throw a few pics up also i just took. of mainly the DM red and one of the OC+

the Red DM plants are so fat i cant put both of my hands together around it. i have some big hands to.

heres the OC+ big cola

Heres the DM Red plants, these are just two of the bigger tops.

Nute war cure.I like how you are going by the ingredience with your nutes.And yes I totally agree on nute companys ripping people off.I mean some nutes cost a bit more because of the way they are processed but they are so many splitting up all the macro and micro in all ready overpriced nutes just to quadriple there profits.My hats off to you I may not be farmiliar with your feeding apps but I know that we can surely both agree it does not take a high dallar nute program to get awsome results.

 

[IrishBoy]

Nute war cure.I like how you are going by the ingredience with your nutes.And yes I totally agree on nute companys ripping people off.I mean some nutes cost a bit more because of the way they are processed but they are so many splitting up all the macro and micro in all ready overpriced nutes just to quadriple there profits.My hats off to you I may not be farmiliar with your feeding apps but I know that we can surely both agree it does not take a high dallar nute program to get awsome results.

ya the big buds cost me $12 for the base nutes. and i could probably do a few hundred plants with that $12 bottle. these DM Red base nutes are going to be my main focus on my next grow. i like the DM purple and the OC+ but i can clearly see the DM red grows some killer fat ass buds. i just need to find a cheap way to mai9nly add some Cal to them, but i have a few ideas on that one. the only other thing that was added was green fuse witch cost me $20 for the whole grow with 6 plants feeding every two days.

i was spending big money on the other hydro nutes and not counting how i had to mix tons of bottle up and measure things all the time, now just PH water and everything works great. these hydro nutes need to step up them game, the words out now that were getting raped without even spitting 1st. there just sticking it in dry! never again will i pay those prices or buy hydro store nutes. i am a cheap ass with great buds to show!

 

[turttle]

ya the big buds cost me $12 for the base nutes. and i could probably do a few hundred plants with that $12 bottle. these DM Red base nutes are going to be my main focus on my next grow. i like the DM purple and the OC+ but i can clearly see the DM red grows some killer fat ass buds. i just need to find a cheap way to mai9nly add some Cal to them, but i have a few ideas on that one. the only other thing that was added was green fuse witch cost me $20 for the whole grow with 6 plants feeding every two days.

i was spending big money on the other hydro nutes and not counting how i had to mix tons of bottle up and measure things all the time, now just PH water and everything works great. these hydro nutes need to step up them game, the words out now that were getting raped without even spitting 1st. there just sticking it in dry! never again will i pay those prices or buy hydro store nutes. i am a cheap ass with great buds to show!

Yes and they are some great buds........I do have a little hick up with my grow if any one can help.My plants are looking good an all but I am worried as I am using an organic ingredient with my first hydro bubble grow.And the problem is the organic is creating a lot of the bad bio.to form on my roots.I have flushed or have a sepperate bubbler that I use ph water with clearex or sometimes add a little 3 percent peroxide and bubble it till ph goes up.Mostly I use water.But any way if any one knows of any cure to get the slime to subside Or thinks its unevitable and nothing more I can do than what I am doing Id be veary greatfull.

 

[Propa Gator]

i just need to find a cheap way to add some Cal to them, but i have a few ideas on that one.

Gypsom. 2 gms per 10 liters. Gypsom is cheap, Plaster of Paris becomes gypsom again, after it gets wet.
It won't bollox your pH.

 

[Dexter4Morgan]

Hey IB

I think I found something to mix with the DM. Mater Magic has 4% Calcium. I was prowling HD the other day (got the HPS sticks too) and found Ironite Mineral Supplement. The calcium in Ironite is 12%, more than anything else I found. It is a 1-0-1 formula. The website is Ironite.com if you click labels-MSDS you can see the break down of minerals. 10 pound bag was only $9.67.

I'm thinking DM Red with the Ironite and Epsom salts (for the magnesium) would be a great mix.