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allot of soils use egg shells. but not too sure on the milk thing?lol. i am cool of of that one.
thats why things are missing? took all my Halloween candy. the green ones on the right are OC+ the tall one was the runt that i never LST'ed she's the only one that grew straight up and now has a big cola and some good size side branches. very frosty also. once the temps came down OC+ showed its true color. but i will have to say the DM plants have bigger buds that are allot more dense, but the OC+ is allot more healthy looking and nice and green, so i am thinking of a combo between the two might kick ass. i also what to try the OC 14-14-14, and add some micro's. if you know what micros its has could you let me know so i can get a game plan
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big bird!!damn irish every time you post pics I'm amazed. those babies are unreal they look like they could be characters on sesame street. maybe in a more rational world i guess. keep it up brother
i cant think of a way but to pick them all out.lolIf there's any way to inhibit the release of nitrogen from the TRF or otherwise interfere with the plants' uptake of it, that might do it. But I don't know of anything offhand that would do so (without screwing something else up).
Found through a Google search (IOW, YMMV and plants killed from following any advice gleaned are not my fault):
IDK if it correlates to cannabis growing.
thats pretty much what my mix is peat and perlite. just makes sure to put at least 3-4" of perlite on the bottom of the bucket.
ya ive heard the OC+ and mater is a god combo. the temp thing should be good if your using soil and have it mixed in. remember all my TRF's were toped dressed not mixed into the cooler soil.
sounds like a good deal, the thing with peat is you have to test the run off so you know where you stand. if u have peat and adjust ur PH to say 5.8 ur gonna have problem most likely<Originally Posted by penguin
I rely on the acidity of the peat to compensate for my water. When I first mix them up, I set the pH of my soil mixes to around 6.5. The sphagnum peat is acidic, and neutralizes the alkalinity of my water, like time-release pH down that lasts for about a year.>
Sounds like it's very worth checking out, especially for my high TA water.
Thanks TS.
wish i could tell you bro, i could find out if you wanted me to? i can ask some friends or local hydro shop
re: coco-based soils going acidic
whenever you get a chance, it's not a priority and you're busy enough.
I'll do some homework on it too.
I think coco maintains a more stable PH.
thank you bro
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re: coco-based soils going acidic
whenever you get a chance, it's not a priority and you're busy enough.
I'll do some homework on it too.
I think coco maintains a more stable PH.
thank you bro
i think its does also. well i think certain coco's do. ive been told before some coco's become unstable and thats why they chose SS#4 over it. not too sure how true that is? it was a worker at a hydro store that told me that a little whole back.
i should have my other soil tent rolling no latter then 2 weeks from now. no light bars going with two 180's on one tent and two 300's in the other grow area. got my new exhaust fan in haven't wired it up yet tough.lol. got 5 gal pots, picking up the SL soil tomorrow. have OC+, DM purple. and some other combo or something? maybe DM purple mixed with DM red or OC+ or i kinda want to try the organic TRF or some organic ferts. any ideas from anyone is more then welcome. all i know is i am going to try to focus on the micro life in my soil. not sure what strains i am going to use its what i can get at the club but they also have something good like 10 different ones. cant wait!!
what i was thinking is 4 plants. 1 CO+, 1 DM purple, 1 50% OC+ & 50% OC 14-14-14. 1 50% DM purple & 50% DM red. or maybe mess with some DM organics not sure witch one would be better the meter magic or the brown bottle? they also have Job's organic food or Espoma
I say go with a really choice organic soil and mix in some CRF as a supplement to the soil web. Feed the soil, and let the CRF worry about any deficiencies. That's where I'm headed on the next grow.
I love the resin and smell of the organic soil....and i love the growth and yield of the OC+ in FFOF. So....time for a wedding.
I love the resin and smell of the organic soil....and i love the growth and yield of the OC+ in FFOF. So....time for a wedding.
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i have some great organic soil, Sunland natural and organic soil. i love the TRF's but i am really loving the buds on the DM plants, ive never had buds this rock hard and their just fat as hell, a few of them i cant even barely but both of my hands around them. but i am really loving the healthiness of the OC+ plants. so a combo of both of them sounds like it might kick ass.
from seeing and felling these buds DM is going to be used for sure, now i am going to play with different combos, like DM purple with OC+, Dm purple with DM red, DM purple with OC 14-14-14 stuff like that. i want to find the best combos. i dont believe the 3-1-2 or whatever is best for cannabis, i can see it with my 13-13-13 DM girls. so i am thinking the OC 14-14-14 will kick ass mixed with OC+ or DM purple. Organic soil is a must for me!
I'm thinking along the same lines.
A combination of DM and OC+, using a coco-based organic soil, and big 5-gallon pots.
I was at a hydro shop today talking about soil and coco in big pots, and the owner suggested to not water so much that you see runoff. He said it's best to water a 5-gallon soil pot with no more than 2-gal of water, because otherwise it could promote root rot from being too soggy at the bottom.
I asked him about cutting the soil with perlite, and he didn't recommend it, but made the above suggestion.
I like to give my plants a thorough flush every now and then to remove salt build-up, so not quite sure how I could work that into the above suggestion. Maybe tipping the pots after watering would remove enough excess water to prevent the issue?
I haven't grown in 5-gal pots before, so not sure how to water pots that size. I can see where completely saturating the pot probably wouldn't be a good idea with that much medium.
A combination of DM and OC+, using a coco-based organic soil, and big 5-gallon pots.
I was at a hydro shop today talking about soil and coco in big pots, and the owner suggested to not water so much that you see runoff. He said it's best to water a 5-gallon soil pot with no more than 2-gal of water, because otherwise it could promote root rot from being too soggy at the bottom.
I asked him about cutting the soil with perlite, and he didn't recommend it, but made the above suggestion.
I like to give my plants a thorough flush every now and then to remove salt build-up, so not quite sure how I could work that into the above suggestion. Maybe tipping the pots after watering would remove enough excess water to prevent the issue?
I haven't grown in 5-gal pots before, so not sure how to water pots that size. I can see where completely saturating the pot probably wouldn't be a good idea with that much medium.
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ok i got it! DM purple mixed with one of the organic DM nutes. the 1 plant with the DM organic brown bottle mixed with the mater magic. i think they will work good together. then maybe OC+ mixed with one of the organic DM. then maybe the DM purple mixed with both the brown and mater magic bottles. screw it! i see the organic in my next grow with the good organic soil.
ive used 5 gal so many time its not funny. the key is to water a little at a time them wait a few min like 5 and pick up the pot and you can tell if it needs more water or not. i always let just a little run out. when i flush i flush and never have trouble. the key is to let the soil get dry before waterings to the roots get air, when the roots stay wet all the time thats when trouble happens. ive never had root rot and ive made some rookie mistakes before watering the shit out of them. microbes are the key for bad ass roots. dont over think it just feed a little at a time ans learn how to pick up ur 5 gal pots and know what they should feel like in weight.
That gives me something to think about. When I was doing "soil," I would have ~30% (ballpark, varied) or more perlite. I didn't shoot for a mix that would be bone dry an hour after I watered, but I did try for something that was well-drained. Aside from not being "heavy" (we have heavy clay around here and I was looking for the opposite), my thinking was that there are air pockets in the mix... And that if I'd add a volume of water to a five-gallon bucket such that it would fill the majority of those pockets - and that if it was well-drained - that the action of the water draining out of the bottom of the bucket would pull fresh air into those pockets. Like when you draw out of a drink with your straw and then let go of it, the liquid drops and air enters.
Doing so seemed like a good idea. Not doing so seems like a bad one. That doesn't mean that it is, but it doesn't come intuitively to me.
EDIT: To me, that wasn't flushing; flushing was using enough water (the 3x volume thing) that there was an actual flow into, through, and out while it was still going in.
And it (still) seems to me that root-rot (which I never had to deal with, so I'm just guessing, "I guess") comes not from adding perlite - which I'd think would help prevent it - but, rather, in having a heavier mix that allowed the roots to stay wet. The word "soggy" comes to mind. The reason that a DWC doesn't get root-rot (well, done correctly, it doesn't) is because you're saturating the liquid with DO. It's like it's not "wet" in the classic sense of the term.
Thanks for that feedback TS, that sounds very reasonable, especially with large pots.
I don't need to grow 5' plants. I want to use 5-gal pots mainly for decreased watering frequency, but I think cutting the soil with 25-30% perlite will still give me a few days between waterings, so my spidey senses are resonating with your intuition
thanks bro
I don't need to grow 5' plants. I want to use 5-gal pots mainly for decreased watering frequency, but I think cutting the soil with 25-30% perlite will still give me a few days between waterings, so my spidey senses are resonating with your intuition
thanks bro
Thanks for that feedback TS, that sounds very reasonable, especially with large pots.
I don't need to grow 5' plants. I want to use 5-gal pots mainly for decreased watering frequency, but I think cutting the soil with 25-30% perlite will still give me a few days between waterings, so my spidey senses are resonating with your intuition
thanks bro
You're scaring me, lol. Always remember that the phrase "It worked for ME" is implied in all my posts. IOW, YMMV should always be considered.
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I can tell ya, it works pretty good....went with some basic organic amendments on this grow with Roots Organic and half ass planned the buffering and after an initial run with my soil being low ph and needing a first watering with horticultural lime after the transplant (with superthrive). I am very happy anyway and I think my girls are too. (Using Mater Magic as primary nute source, OC+ at 1/3 dose for supplemental alternate source)
My second barrel of soil is "cooking" now and should be ready in a couple weeks.
I haven't tried any of the pot yet...not an early sampler most of the time, only out of necessity.
My next goal is to find an organic CRF that will replace OC+...wish me luck.
brother...and I think this may be my first post here, but I lurk here as there are smart people talking and I like to listen....
I take full responsibility for all my decisions, so no worries mate
I would never base my decision on something as important as choice of medium on just one suggestion or comment.
The question of adding perlite or not has been on my mind ever since I decided to go with big soil pots, so you know the process.
You collect enough bits of isolated data until one choice resonates, and then hope that your resonator is in good repair
.topcat1951
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Hey Irish, am a noob both as a member of 420 and as a grower. Haven't started my first grow yet. I've read all your led grow threads as thats what i'm most interested in. Let me say thanks as I've learned so much from all you guys. I hope to start my very first grow later this month and hope I've gleaned enough from ya'll to have a little success.
Thanks again for all the nuggets of info.
T.C.
Thanks again for all the nuggets of info.
T.C.
Grower Z
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I don't think the 3-1-2 ratio is best either. That is simply not enough K.
Check the link in my sig. about tissue analysis, I just posted a link to and excerpt's from AN's "Phosphorous myth" report.
Check the link in my sig. about tissue analysis, I just posted a link to and excerpt's from AN's "Phosphorous myth" report.
Grower Z
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Heavy, light, medium, I think it's more of a matter of drainage (limited the perched water table) and the water/air holding capacity of the medium. You can use a heavyweight mix indoors, but probably not if it's sitting in a pool of stagnant water and thus limiting the ability for CO2 exchange.
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thanks for the kind words!
when you get ur grow started off let me know, and if you have any questions feels free to ask away on here, my thread is ur thread
very nice link brother.
i can see with my girls that the 3-1-2 in not right for MJ plants. i can clearly see the bud size difference with the 13-13-13 girls. i am just not buying it, Ive read tons of things saying it is, but i guess to each is their own. its hard to ignore the facts when ur standing their and seeing it right in front of you.
on my next grow i am going to mix my DM Red with some Mater Magic because it has allot of Cal in it. then i am thinking of mixing some organics with the DM purple and maybe OC+. i really do like how tight and dense the buds are on the DM plants.
I also want to look into DM orchard mix, silver bottle i think? its NPK i think would grow some killer bud plants, the only thing is i cant find its micro nute profile anywhere? but the NPK is 10-10-19. i gut tells me thats where its at for our plants. i just need to find the Micro profile before i buy off line.
How about this for organic CRF -
Growilla Bud Food | Growilla Goods
Also, egg shells really doesn't work in containers from my experience. If you do use them, it's best to dry them up, put them in a plastic baggie and roll with a rolling pin.
They seem to work better directly in the ground, if at all.
Growilla Bud Food | Growilla Goods
Also, egg shells really doesn't work in containers from my experience. If you do use them, it's best to dry them up, put them in a plastic baggie and roll with a rolling pin.
They seem to work better directly in the ground, if at all.
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ya ive seen that before it came out to buy, but i would never buy anything AN, even that stuff is priced very high. i can get 4lbs of plant food that will last longer for $9. and from what i have seen i dont trust AN one bit. they do allot of research but i have yet seen tons of other ferts side x side out grow their for a fraction of the price.