1000W Double-Ended - 4x8 Gallon RDWC - 5x5 Gorilla Grow

Well part of the tea I make does end up staining the roots unless you filter a ton of times...but if you know the difference between root rot and stain you are fine. A good tea helps with Root Rot.

I think I saw you have a chiller. I have always felt you can do both if you do it right. A good tea will die down after a few days anyway. The leftovers are still great stuff and of good value but the bacteria doesn't last forever. I did one once that was on crazy. For about 3 days if you looked under the lid you could see it bubbling away. It looked like beer fermenting away. One day for about 24 hours if was going so hard core that all the space between the res and the lid was full of foam. But all that means is it found a ton of the goods to eat and was breeding like mad and after it died off all ways amazing. My point is after it dies off there is minimal return for what is left. After a few days they have stopped breeding and start dying off. So I have never tried this because I don't run sterile but I feel that the benefits don't last all that long in the res. They last a while in the plant but after like 4-5 days it is done in the res. They leave a bunch of goodness in the res but like I said after I run a tea I am topping off so fast with high concentration nutes that it is gone in a few days.

So if you are like me and run res changes long then you could run 3 weeks sterile and then run 1 week without the chiller and throw in the tea and let it do its magic and then dump and do your 4 week res change. Then you go back to chiller and sterile. Or maybe the other way...week one living then turn on the chiller and let it ride. One of the biggest benefits to bennies is that everywhere the good bacteria is living the bad bacteria has no home. But I still feel this is like the Ford Chevy debate and I choose not to take sides. I go living because I like making teas not because it is better. Maybe it is...But I am not about weight and time to harvest. I do personal grow only and I have enough equipment to do in 2 grows all I need for a year then I take the summer off. So for me it is about trying to optimize genetic capability and I feel it is easier to work with nature than fight against it...But sterile is cool too I aint knocking it!

I think one thing that is important to consider is none of this must be a constant. By that I mean just look at say Advanced nutes website and they have (or used to have) feeding schedules and you can see that they only want you adding bennies about twice in veg and maybe twice in bloom...I can't remember. The point is they don't last forever and they only need to be there a few days every few weeks. So considering that... you can do kinda like I explain and see if you get the benefits for running it and go back to sterile. Since I make my own stuff it is dirt cheap so who cares if it kills them.

So that is some good prices on the plastic...If I found those flop top buckets in 8 gallons for that price I would be ecstatic. I live about 10 min from 3 different hydro stores and they all have stuff but not those...except the one that is selling CC stuff and man it is spendy. I haven't looked around in the buckets section in a while though. I am starting a bloom soon so I will probably go run around during December scrapping together parts to try and make a new bucket system. I think I may not go so high of flow though and go smaller bulkheads and tubes. I know where I can get some 1" ones and you could even do more than one to get the flow up there. I was talking to this guy at one of the stores and he runs it and tells me it isn't pushing that much water anyway. He tells me it is all about the aeration not the flow. So maybe even run a gravity feed return with a ton of air stones in the main res and maybe that is all a home guy like me needs.

Well anyway thanks and good luck..I was hoping you had a link to some online place that had good prices on those buckets and bulk heads but it sounds like I just need to go poke around some more.

I will be watching your journal though now that I found it.
 
My teas are way strong so I wouldn't do them more than once in Veg and once in bloom anyway. Like week 2 of veg when they are starting to take off and maybe week 2 of bloom after the transition is completed. I like to bring down the nutes near the end of bloom a lot so I would be hesitant to add something like this with less than 4 weeks to go. The tea I make has bennies, enzymes, nutes, Chitosan, Alfalfa, and more...so it is complete bloom food and enhancers all in one. So you gotta tread light. Probably best to stick to just a bennies brew to begin with.
 
My teas are way strong so I wouldn't do them more than once in Veg and once in bloom anyway. Like week 2 of veg when they are starting to take off and maybe week 2 of bloom after the transition is completed. I like to bring down the nutes near the end of bloom a lot so I would be hesitant to add something like this with less than 4 weeks to go. The tea I make has bennies, enzymes, nutes, Chitosan, Alfalfa, and more...so it is complete bloom food and enhancers all in one. So you gotta tread light. Probably best to stick to just a bennies brew to begin with.

Sounds like a nice mix, was hoping to run the live tea once a week in the system. Decided to run house and garden aquaflakes a and b as its 80$ for the 5L on amazon right now and roots excel. need to get my bluelab guardian first tho. and down the road getting that bluelab doser. should make life easier.
 
when my clones root, how long till i can throw them in there new homes? i dont want to put them in dirt. they are rooting in 1" rockwool cubes. maybe put them on a bed of perlite? hand water them. Any input would be great thanks.
 
Ok so i was reading i can air cool this hood due to convection, and run it with out the glass. you gain prob 8 to 10% more lumens. dont have my enviromental controller yet so i have no idea what the temp is inside the tent, been in there and its pretty comfy but a little cool. so my thought was running it without glass would act like a heater and kill 2 birds with one stone. we shall see how that mother responds.

Also i cant put my thumb as to what is going on with her leafs. the big ones seem to be browning at the tips. not sure if its stress from the switch to hydro, or my water is too hot for her liking. not water temp but feed.

no glass, so much brighter

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The mother test plant, and plant problems
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Browning tips
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Once a week seems too often to me. The plant wants to go through cycles. Things need to go up and down for best results.



I did a bunch of research and tried to get everything in the Advanced Nutrients line into 1 bucket. Actually I started learning about AN line and went to this Hydro store where this Horticulturalist works whom I trust as we talk a lot. I was like man that product is just this stuff and bla bla. He pulled me aside and was like yeah all you need is this and that to make that stuff...and this went on and on until I had it all figured out. I got all of it but 2 things. 1 of them I couldn't care less about... and the other was just like really ...that much for that small of a bag. I think in bulk they must get a deal. And it was a minor additive I think in Nirvana but I got the main things in Nirvana so was like whatevs.

I was talking to the owner at one of the hydro stores and he told me the AN rep let it slip that they get the stuff in the bottle with label for about $0.25 on average across the line. I think he got that info because he was showing off their tea that is 4/5ths of the AN line in a single bottle and they get it in there with label for about $2 and sell it for $5.

I did notice the AN website has changed dramatically and lots of the info is gone. So I have to dig up my old posts on here to remember exactly which thing is in which bottle for some of the smaller ingredients.

What AN has done that is awesome if figured out how to get the ratios correct so you can keep the res at a static pH and get proper absorption even though that is not generally the "right" way to run hydro. They did a great job hammering the square peg into the round hole making it all work at 1 pH and that is very cool. What that really means is a proper over dose and under dose of things so the absorption at a non ideal pH is correct. But the ingredients themselves...well none of that is new. In fact the thing I didn't care to add is something to aid transportation so it helps deal with keeping a static pH...which I am not a fan of anyway.

Everything they are doing ingredient wise has been well documented for just about forever. So if you have a friend who is a Horticulturalists or take the time to learn about the science of plants you will stumble across all of this stuff. For each and every ingredient I found multiple websites explaining the use and the why and hows...I smoked a lot of weed since then though. I can't remember all of which ingredient is in which bottle. I did document the recipe here a few times in the DWC section. Actually real hard to miss if you go reading over there. Not my threads though.

The downside is holly cow this shit is strong. I haven't nailed down the perfect ratio but the stuff works. That's the fun part. I can spend money and get great product or I can play around and since I know what plant should look like...I still get great product.

So I use a basic Worm casting Tea with Enzyme additive to break down the raw ingredients over about an 18 hour period and have a Beneficial tea with all the stuff that makes them blow up. But one time when I did it I had sap oozing out of everywhere as I over did the chitosan. Great if you want to vap or cook it down but smoking it was real tough. I am talking large balls of sap oozing out all over. It was a real mess to trim up. But it sure vaped nice. So I am backing off to just twice a grow until I get the ratio dialed in better.

So like I said I do it for the fun of it not because I know more than others. I do all of this for the fun of it.

But running sterile is cool too :thumb:
 
So my research was that these DE bulbs like to run hot and are best left to cool by convection. So I did not get the air cooled hood....I got the open hood no glass. And yes there is an improvement without glass.

I have a carbon filter hanging at the top that sucks out the heat and adjust the fan speed to get the right temps.

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Same tent, Same ballast, 1000W HPS, 400 CFM Phresh filter and 400 CFM fan.

In summer you may need a larger fan so them a larger filter as you do not want to over run the filter.
 
regarding the brown tips...

Do you keep track of your res measurements? Do you recall what your PPMs were for the last 5 days and what the water level is doing and how much you may have added? I wouldn't feel comfortable diagnosing not knowing what you have done in the last week as it looks to me to be a problem that is resolved and not an issue anymore. I think the problem I would attribute it to is gone already.

I did comment in someone else's journal just now that this is classic nute burn but they are dealing with end of flowering issues where you need to be dropping it off fast.
 
So my research was that these DE bulbs like to run hot and are best left to cool by convection. So I did not get the air cooled hood....I got the open hood no glass. And yes there is an improvement without glass.

I have a carbon filter hanging at the top that sucks out the heat and adjust the fan speed to get the right temps.

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Same tent, Same ballast, 1000W HPS, 400 CFM Phresh filter and 400 CFM fan.

In summer you may need a larger fan so them a larger filter as you do not want to over run the filter.

Nice, I'm not going to run a carbon filter. In my area not to worried about smell. Have an 8" hyper fan pulling through hood and out a window, pulling air from with in the tent through one end of the hood. Have one vent open at the bottom of the tent. Should be getting my titan controls Saturn 5 soon. To get Temps and humidity dialed in. The cool part about the aircooled version is that the hood and bulb chambers are seperate so air does not pass over the bulb but around it and pulls all that hot air off the bulb. Shits pretty cool and def works, my 8" duct coming out the tent is hot asf.

In the summer time moving to the bigger 5x9 gorilla and 2 more ac/de hoods and a small portable ac to blow in through one of the side vents and just pull air from outside through hoods and out the tent, air cool hoods seperatly. Completly seal the tent as much as possible. Saving up for those, things are slowly coming together ☺ love this shit.... getting practice with this first setup.
 
Villi, haven't really been keeping track of much at the moment. Waiting on her to show me some change. Pretty sure I might have gave her a hot dose in the beginning, And water level was too high. Emptied some water out so the net pot wasn't submerged in the water. Picking up a bluelab guardian soon. So not sure of the ppm. The ph is prob in the 5.8 range due to the ph perfect. Stays stable for about 2 weeks. She does seem to be looking a lot better since I took the glass off the hood and brought some heat into the tent. It could be shock also, but she looks like shes balancing out. Been keeping an eye on her.
 
So I am helping another guy through his journal on his first DWC. You may get something out of it regarding PPMs and monitoring. Go smoke a bowl and give this a read through. The first few pages I am just calming him down because he is new and is overly worried about stuff that newbs commonly freak out about. After a few pages once the roots hit the res there is some real good data in there he is posting you may find interesting. Well there is other stuff in there too... it is a decent read I guess.

ClosetCase420's - RDWC - 600W MH/HPS - Wonder Woman - Grow Journal - 2015
 
So I am helping another guy through his journal on his first DWC. You may get something out of it regarding PPMs and monitoring. Go smoke a bowl and give this a read through. The first few pages I am just calming him down because he is new and is overly worried about stuff that newbs commonly freak out about. After a few pages once the roots hit the res there is some real good data in there he is posting you may find interesting. Well there is other stuff in there too... it is a decent read I guess.

ClosetCase420's - RDWC - 600W MH/HPS - Wonder Woman - Grow Journal - 2015

was a good read in deed, his grow is looking good. checked on the test dummy this morning and still alive lol, still no new growth. Im sure it will take at least 2 weeks for her to go back into veg. no root growth yet. guess i just have to be paitient. water temp:63 _ 65f and water still smells earthy and clean which is a good thing. waiting on some roots want to see her explode. thanks for all the help and input villiage.
 
Changed water out and just sprayed bucket out, filled with tap water, probably about 5.5 to 6 gallons. Added some rush and 5ml of AN sensi grow. Went really light as i burned her the first time.

There's a huge root ball in the net pot towards the bottom from when she was in soil. But no noticeable root growth. I switched her to hydro about 4 days ago, would have figured she would be throwing some new roots already, as I had aero cloners in the past and threw roots like crazy. I guess I'm just antsy.

She also accidently went into flower for about a week, currently pushing her back into veg, that could be the problem also. Time will tell.

My 10 clones I took all look stable now and are still green and lightening up. No sign of roots either. Been about 7 days on those. It's been really cold so will probably take longer to root than usual. Normally clone in aero cloners.
 
Changed water out and just sprayed bucket out, filled with tap water, probably about 5.5 to 6 gallons. Added some hydro rush and 5ml of AN sensi grow. Went really light as i burned her the first time.

There's a huge root ball in the net pot towards the bottom from when she was in soil. But no noticeable root growth. I switched her to hydro about 4 days ago, would have figured she would be throwing some new roots already, as I had aero cloners in the past and threw roots like crazy. I guess I'm just antsy.

She also accidently went into flower for about a week, currently pushing her back into veg, that could be the problem also. Time will tell.

My 10 clones I took all look stable now and are still green and lightening up. No sign of roots either. Been about 7 days on those. It's been really cold so will probably take longer to root than usual. Normally clone in aero cloners.

WH,
I have seen that in germination and cloning we require 75-85 f. ambient temps. Of course the water must be under 75, preferably 64-70f.
Can you make your cloning area warmer?
 
WH,
I have seen that in germination and cloning we require 75-85 f. ambient temps. Of course the water must be under 75, preferably 64-70f.
Can you make your cloning area warmer?

At the moment no, there doing good, just taking forever due to the Temps we have down here right now. I'm more worried about the mother not dropping new roots. Have perfect water temp, dropped it down to 60 - 62f. The leafs are kind of yellowing almost like how clones do when there about to root. Just want something to start happening already lol, shes still alive tho. thanks for the input guys hopefully this show can start rolling soon.

About to say f@ck it and get some roots excellerator and call it a day.
 
ok ok, well that mother plant just did not like that switch. so i put her back in soil and cleaned everything up. starting from scratch and slowing down.

decided to go with the 2" uc spin tight bulk heads. put my 4 buckets in place in the tent and measured everything out. heading to home depot tommorow to pick up the 2" pvc, 2" 90s, 1 2" tee, abs to pvc glue, inline filter, and pressure ball valve. than to my localhydro store for some 3/4" black hose. still waiting on the bulk heads but should be here soon.

I set the water chiller up inline to pull through system, into water chiller and into the epicenter bucket i am placing on the out side of the tent. should be easier to drain and top off with out opening the tent. will allow night time nute changes as well.

buckets waiting on pvc and bulk heads
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chiller and epicenter ready to go
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Should be the end result accept my epicenter is outside of the tent
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As soon as the clones root im putting the 4 strongest ones in the system and letting them go crazy. Sorry for jumping around, should be getting this done soon and get the ball rolling:rollit:
 
Ok so went to home depot and got everything to build the 2" return and intake manifolds. cost was about 50$ for everything... Came out A+ IMO

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Super excited, just waiting on the uc 2" spin tight bulk heads to show up and im rolling. Total cost to build this system about 350$. Building the system is so much more satisfying than buying one. My plant centers are going to be 31" which gives me a little more space than the uc4xl. think theres are 24". Getting one of those octopus dripper manifolds and running spaghetti lines to top feed them until roots drop when i get everything going. Have a good feeling about this grow coming up. Stayed tuned......
 
Trying to decide on what air stones to run? Will the 4" active air round discs work? since im circulating the water in theory it is circulating the air infused water correct? so i shouldn't need huge air discs, like say the 8" version in the buckets? save me a little extra money too because the 8" ones are like 20$ a piece and the 4" is only like 9$. I want the best for the new plants. I will be running that 30$ dual micro pore air stone i already bought in the epicenter. The Eco air 7 commercial air i have should have no problem pushing the 4" to the max.
 
I have talked to a couple of sales reps and 2 owners about these systems. The water flow is not the secret the secret is in the excessive air due to air stones in the epicenter and all the sites and the mixing back at the epicenter. One owner told me the pump was not really pushing that much water. I have seen videos and it looks like they are but this guy works at a hydro store and has the official CC setup and said it was all about the air. The circulation is just to get more air to the roots from the epicenter which is full of air stones or air tubes.

That makes a lot more sense to me. The water does not need to flow that fast to keep the nutes moving.

When I build my next one it will be gravity feed return with the epicenter totally filled with row upon row of those flexible tube air diffusers like these
Flexible Air Diffuser 4ft - Air Pumps & Diffusers - Hydroponics

And probably line the site buckets with those as well. You can't have too much air.

The big PVC makes it real easy to move the water so you can use a small pump without hurting it.
 
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