Woodsman's Northern Light #5 Grow

[FryingPanFlyer]

It's worth a try if you can keep yours hidden. Just wondering about the kind of rays that come from the sun in the spring compared to late summer.

Hey Woodsman, I finally made it over here to see what you're up to!

As to the spring sun vs. the late summer sun, it would be my guess that it's pretty similar, the sun's position say 2 months before the solstice is the same as 2 months after the solstice so the only real difference is outdoor temps because they lag behind the solar year.

 

[3lions]

I would personally gve them more light than more dark so they dont think of turning hermie, they can take as much light as you want, 24/7 of course..

Know what you mean about painful doing all the Ph testing bro, already finding that. However it is a fact that the smoke is going to be ten times better and stronger and when you harvest then you can judge Im sure. If stcking indoor plants into the sun, keep check onthe humidity as they wont want big fluctautions after being in a 'controlled' environemnt.

 

[Woodsman]

Hey Woodsman, I finally made it over here to see what you're up to!

As to the spring sun vs. the late summer sun, it would be my guess that it's pretty similar, the sun's position say 2 months before the solstice is the same as 2 months after the solstice so the only real difference is outdoor temps because they lag behind the solar year.

Welcome aboard FryingPan, glad you made it! Similar hours although they will be increasing as we move on.. I just brought them back inside for the next few days. Rain tonight and the next I believe, and cooler temps. As soon as weather permits, they will be out again. I never thought that I'd have the opportunity to do this. Better not count my chickens before they hatch though! It could still get or at least stay cool or wet for a few more weeks. The plants seem to love it and so do I! I've been hangin out there relaxing with them just like
'the old times' (previous summers). I love growing outside.
Hope to see ya more often now Frying Pan!

I would personally gve them more light than more dark so they dont think of turning hermie, they can take as much light as you want, 24/7 of course..

Know what you mean about painful doing all the Ph testing bro, already finding that. However it is a fact that the smoke is going to be ten times better and stronger and when you harvest then you can judge Im sure. If stcking indoor plants into the sun, keep check onthe humidity as they wont want big fluctautions after being in a 'controlled' environemnt.

Hypo's crop is very close to mine, so his is in flower already. Just wondering if adding light would be detrimental while extended dark would not. He just needs to reverse his light and dark times to avoid the heat of day mixed with the heat from the lights. I have a similar problem and may have to do a switch also. On the other hand, if it gets nice outside that means that I'll be keeping them out there.

Added: The house temp is rising because of the outside temps. Thus the extra heat in the tent.

 

[Cafghanica]

Great job so far Woodsman

 

[MountainHigh]

Hey bud, dropped by for a smoke...well I am smoking and wishing I could share.

How are the girls doing? Great I hope!

Vote for Woodsman for MOTM!!!! I did.

brother.

 

[OldMedMan]

I love spring, best time of the year (except for harvest time). After being couped up in the cabin all winter, it's just great to walk around the property and smell the fresh spring air (and not a whole lot of mosquitoes yet). I'll tell my wife of your greetings. Thanks.



Ya are thermometer hit 80 outside yesterday and although it is going to settle back to norm temps in a couple of days (60's days and 40's nights). It will eventually warm up for good.



Question for anyone

I've kept my plant outside for now yesterday and all night (temps at 59 last night) they are going to be out all day today and then I'll bring them in tonight (maybe rain overnight and then cooling for a few days). Is it OK to keep flowering plants outside in the early spring (weather permitting of course). Will it throw the plants out of cycle, and are the Sun's rays beneficial at this time? We have about 12 hours of daylight and they would get about 11 hour of direct sun right now. About a month to harvest.

Long as you keep the same schedule of 12/12, there should be no problem.

 

[DreaminOfBuds]

[QUOTE
Question for anyone

I've kept my plant outside for now yesterday and all night (temps at 59 last night) they are going to be out all day today and then I'll bring them in tonight (maybe rain overnight and then cooling for a few days). Is it OK to keep flowering plants outside in the early spring (weather permitting of course). Will it throw the plants out of cycle, and are the Sun's rays beneficial at this time? We have about 12 hours of daylight and they would get about 11 hour of direct sun right now. About a month to harvest.[/QUOTE]

I have to agree with tribesun, the sun is always better than our artificial light and I don't think it will do anything but help. My only concern is, which I don't think you have to worry about just yet are the bad bugs and you sure do not want to bring those into your grow room. The natural sun maybe be what the other two need to kick start their buds.

 

[Woodsman]

Great job so far Woodsman

Thanks for your Reps and the nice words,Cafghanica and welcome to the thread!

Hey bud, dropped by for a smoke...well I am smoking and wishing I could share.

How are the girls doing? Great I hope!

Vote for Woodsman for MOTM!!!! I did.

brother.

High Mountain, The girls are doing fine, especially after two days in the sun. They're up in the tent for the next few days at least as the temps have slid a little too low and there is rain in the forecast for the next few days!

Long as you keep the same schedule of 12/12, there should be no problem.

Thanks Buddy for the advise!

[QUOTE
Question for anyone

I've kept my plant outside for now yesterday and all night (temps at 59 last night) they are going to be out all day today and then I'll bring them in tonight (maybe rain overnight and then cooling for a few days). Is it OK to keep flowering plants outside in the early spring (weather permitting of course). Will it throw the plants out of cycle, and are the Sun's rays beneficial at this time? We have about 12 hours of daylight and they would get about 11 hour of direct sun right now. About a month to harvest.

I have to agree with tribesun, the sun is always better than our artificial light and I don't think it will do anything but help. My only concern is, which I don't think you have to worry about just yet are the bad bugs and you sure do not want to bring those into your grow room. The natural sun maybe be what the other two need to kick start their buds.[/QUOTE]

Right I think the sun will be a huge benifit for my girls since they are under just a little bit of light inside (compared to the sun).

 

[Cafghanica]

Alright, the girls are outside in the sun again. I can't wait to get done with this indoor grow and get started with the outdoor! I think it is a tad easier outdoors, although with all my newly squired knowledge, it may be harder than it used to be! It has not been easy with all pH and nutrient issues I have and had. Still too many yellow leaves on mine and at 5 and a half weeks, its too early. I don't think that there are more leaves turning yellow, just from before. My plan of defoliating the bottom of the plants to accommodate the 'weak' lighting for my SOG, may not have been such a bright idea? I wonder if that is causing me to have these pH and nutrient issues. Some of my leaves have signs of a Boron Deficiency and I've got some eye drops with boric acid to combat this. I had forgotten to mention this last week (too many issues to remember). Classic though, with the rust color patches on the leaves. Just a few leaves actually so I followed the instructions and treated them with the eye drops. I also have some browning of the saw tooth edges of some of the leaves? I'll be checking on that. I'm just hoping to get to harvest before I kill'em or something! Probably not all that bad, but still a little worrisome for me. Fatleaf and Big Girl are the only ones affected my these maladies, the Runt is fine, just very slow in development! I don't know whether many of these problems are due to 'under fertilizing' the plants? Believe it or not I have never used more than half strength nutes (mostly 1/4 strength) and I've actually skipped some feedings because of some flushing and pH adjusting. For instance, when I was using my old soil meter after feeding, I would have to adjust the pH with so much water and lime that I would pretty much wash out the nutes I just fed them with! Yesterday when I watered them with molasses and a tiny bit of lime. I probably washed out most of the molasses in the process of trying to raise the pH. I really need to study how it's done. So I don't waste so much time effort and nutes in the process!.






I just appreciate the fact that your looking out for me! Thanks



Trying my best NCal my friend!


Thanks for the Reps Jason!
That is the chart that I got my figures from, thanks bud. Fatleaf smells like skunk (big time), Big Girl smells like tangerines and the Runt doesn't know what she wants to smell like! She was the one I believe that had the terpentine smell, but just checked her and I don't get much of a smell from her now. I may reverse my light cycle also.


Thanks for the Reps Lavendar! I was over at your house (thread) earlier, not sure if I saw the new pics (shot term mem thing!) I'll check on ya later though! If'n your Ma, then I'm Pa! 'Ya Ma, I'll get right on it, just as soon as I remember what it was I was gonna do'. 'So don't be pushing me Ma or I'll have to start remembering from the beginning again!' LOL, love the Kettles!



Time is flying that's for sure. As far as looking good, I'm not sure? You my friend are the NL#5 king! Anyone that wants to see some finished NL# take a look at Dreamin's thread!



Our tiny cabin is so hot in the loft with out the a/c on. Even if it's only in the seventy's outside, It was most likely in the eighty's up there and with the heat from the lights ....104! Normally when it was not hot upstairs, the tent temp was from mid 80's to mid 90's. Like I mentioned earlier, I may reverse my day and night!



I take it 'dope means 'good'? I'm of the older generation Dank! Welcome to my thread and your more than welcome to educate me further into the modern age!



Brother, I am sooooo frustrated with getting the girls all pH'd correctly. Life is not easy anymore!

Thanks all see you later. Normally it's me that has to go to the Laundromat (that's right no washer/dryer here not even a place to put one if we had a hook up). Today my wife is going to do it. 'Why' you ask? Because I hurt my back setting up the supposedly easy (at least they say it is on TV) 'Total Gym'. Now that I got it set up, I need to use it everyday. So while my wife is doing the laundry (yaaa - cause I hate doing it), I'll be cooking some ribs on the grill outside ( on sale for 2.98 ) and baking for the first time in my life, a birthday cake for the wifes birthday tomorrow! It a carrot cake (her favorite). OK so what if it's in a box, I'm still more than capable of ruining it, somehow!

To the kitchen and the grill I go! Hopefully I'll be back later today.

Hiya Woodsman here is a link with some good pH info
pH Manifesto teaches you how to grow bigger cannabis buds

And also make sure that u allow your proper drying time before watering to correct pH, the only thing worse than pH problems are if they become over complicated by also having over watering become and issue. Also remember that anything you read in that link I left is good info and factual but just try to take out what is applicable to your situation but still give it a good read all the way through. Good Luck

 

[Woodsman]

Hiya Woodsman here is a link with some good pH info
pH Manifesto teaches you how to grow bigger cannabis buds

And also make sure that u allow your proper drying time before watering to correct pH, the only thing worse than pH problems are if they become over complicated by also having over watering become and issue. Also remember that anything you read in that link I left is good info and factual but just try to take out what is applicable to your situation but still give it a good read all the way through. Good Luck

Thank you Caf, I just saved the 'Manifesto' to my desktop and will give it a good read. Thanks also for the very wise suggestions about over watering. Terrific advise. I'm always learning!

 

[SK-Slappy]

woodsman, when we switch from 16/8 to 12/12 we always give at least 24hrs dark (I like to go at least 36 myself) before the first 12 hr light cycle. Doing this gives us a couple of benefits, one is we can adjust when the lights will be on and two, the plants are sure to realize that it is now time to bloom.

I read this somewhere a long time ago and it struck with me, it made sense to us so it became part of our regiment.

DreaminOfBuds:
As for going from indoor to out, I heard you really need to "harden" the plant with increasing time in the sun slowly or the plants can have a really hard time.
Never tried it and have no desire to grow outside but something you might want to look into before killing off healthy plants by going outdoors too fast.


Once it's outside I would NEVER bring it back into my grow room!
Too risky for me, never know what hitchhikers you will end up bringing in with them..

It's alot easier to bring the pests in than to get rid of them.

 

[afgooey]

hay woods got some reading to do but everythings looking good

 

[Cafghanica]

woodsman, when we switch from 16/8 to 12/12 we always give at least 24hrs dark (I like to go at least 36 myself) before the first 12 hr light cycle. Doing this gives us a couple of benefits, one is we can adjust when the lights will be on and two, the plants are sure to realize that it is now time to bloom.

I read this somewhere a long time ago and it struck with me, it made sense to us so it became part of our regiment.

DreaminOfBuds:
As for going from indoor to out, I heard you really need to "harden" the plant with increasing time in the sun slowly or the plants can have a really hard time.
Never tried it and have no desire to grow outside but something you might want to look into before killing off healthy plants by going outdoors too fast.


Once it's outside I would NEVER bring it back into my grow room!
Too risky for me, never know what hitchhikers you will end up bringing in with them..

It's alot easier to bring the pests in than to get rid of them.

I have used 24 hour tech at the start of 12/12 and the 72 hours of dark and I have to say for any strain I can recommend the 24 hours dark but in some strains 3 days of dark can induce a female plant to hermi which is also away you can make fem seed stock 3 to 5 days with most strains is enough to cause enough stress to produce a hermi.

Also if you grow them under a 400 watt MH or better you generally dont have to harden them off the MH can usually do this well. If you are using CFL or T5,T8,T12 bulbs then a slow hardening off is best but some varieties do well immediately. I do recommend the hardening off if you dont use an HID lamp indoors first.

Also with most varieties if you veg them at a 16/8 regimen they will take longer to show sex (induce flowering) than if you keep them on 18/6. Even 24 hours on will slow over all veg time but will cause flowering to induce much faster. This is just something to think about depending on the variety and your grow schedule what works best for you.

Keep up the good work Woodsman and great input SK-slap +rep to you both.

 

[SK-Slappy]

Cafghanica, now that's some great info.....thanks and +reps for you too!

 

[Cafghanica]

Cafghanica, now that's some great info.....thanks and +reps for you too!

Thank you very much! Sk
I also wanted to say using the more light they get during veg quicker they flower module and apply into outdoor gardening.
If I have a strain that flowers easly (indica dominant)
and want to grow it outdoors and I want it to flower immediately when I put it out then I would raise it on 20/4 veg and if I had the same variety and wanted to try and ensure it doesnt immediately flower when I put it outside I will raise it on a 16/8 schedule so if I put it out early in the season it will stay in veg much more often. Some strains are so pre set in away to flower they are hard to control like this "Grapegod" for instance is a 50 day flower time and has been honed to grow in short outdoor Canadian climates so depending on the phenotype of the plant some may auto flower as soon as they are put out and maybe one or two stay in veg if they were raised inside on 16/8 schedule. I just quick replied hope my grammar isnt that horrible etc lol

PS. +rep right back at ya as soon as I can again lol

 

[Nicademus]

It's worth a try if you can keep yours hidden. Just wondering about the kind of rays that come from the sun in the spring compared to late summer.

From what i have read somewhere,(can't remember offhand, will try and verify) springtime sun has a lot more of the blue light and the fall sun puts out more red light. Not sure how this is possible but i think it has something to do with the tilt of the earth.

 

[MostlyCrazy]

That's exactly right.

 

[afgooey]

Thank you very much! Sk
I also wanted to say using the more light they get during veg quicker they flower module and apply into outdoor gardening.
If I have a strain that flowers easly (indica dominant)
and want to grow it outdoors and I want it to flower immediately when I put it out then I would raise it on 20/4 veg and if I had the same variety and wanted to try and ensure it doesnt immediately flower when I put it outside I will raise it on a 16/8 schedule so if I put it out early in the season it will stay in veg much more often. Some strains are so pre set in away to flower they are hard to control like this "Grapegod" for instance is a 50 day flower time and has been honed to grow in short outdoor Canadian climates so depending on the phenotype of the plant some may auto flower as soon as they are put out and maybe one or two stay in veg if they were raised inside on 16/8 schedule. I just quick replied hope my grammar isnt that horrible etc lol

PS. +rep right back at ya as soon as I can again lol

the reason your strain does that is cuz it was stabilized while grown under 24/0 for veg
the reason 12 hours dark causes flowering is cuv in the light mj's cells are damaged and during the dark it repairs itself so a plant that has never seen dark (i/e 24/0) when put in a good amount of dark daily it will be confused and precieve as the end of its cycle inducing flowering
and putting plants out to early in spring will also cause flowering cuz the light out side is still 12/12 or atleast close enough to cause flowers
i dont know were your strain came from but most comercial growers use a 24/0 veg cycle
hope that helps if ya did not know already

 

[Woodsman]

Hi guys, seems like I've been away for awhile, but just about a day! Read through all your post above and I really appreciate the information. I checked the plants for any bugs and so far have not seen any. If the weather stabilizes a bit I will 'harden them' by taking them out for a little at a time and build up the hours as they adjust. Again thank you for all the terrific suggestions and info. You all are just great!

From what i have read somewhere,(can't remember offhand, will try and verify) springtime sun has a lot more of the blue light and the fall sun puts out more red light. Not sure how this is possible but i think it has something to do with the tilt of the earth.

In that case this is a good thing as far as potency goes (blue spectrum), right? Just like adding some MH or daylight CFLs during flower.

Update - Flower Day 42 (6 weeks)

The couple of days outside did not seem to have any ill affects on the girls. After reading your many comments above, I realize that I was putting them in possible harms way, both from the shock of the sunshine and from the introduction of pests in the tent! I was lucky!

Fatleaf is bulking up and getting nice and frosty. Checked the trichomes with the Radio Shack Microscope for the first time yesterday on Fatleaf, the most advanced of the three and found she has a mix of clear and cloudy trichs. I will wait on the other two as they are behind.

Big Girl is just starting to get frosty. A definite improvement from just a few days ago. Also seems that the issue with the leaves has stabilized and no additional yellowing has occurred. Some of the older leaves had some brown edges to them. I think this is previous damage and hopefully those issues were corrected with the pH stabilization.

The Runt #4 is still lagging way behind! She is progressing slowly and at this rate, who knows when she will be done? You have to look very hard to see any trichs on her! She is like the others were like three weeks ago. Amazingly, she has been the only plant without any of the leaf problems!

Tomorrow should be feeding day. I'll be driving over to the local spring tomorrow and pick up a load of water. If I remember correctly the water's pH was just over 7, like 7.2 or 7.3. That's good I guess because the FFTB lowers the pH quite a bit. I've been forced to add lime each time just to raise the pH and that worries me a bit, since I heard that that could be detrimental in the long run. Any suggestions? I wish I had the pH up and down stuff.. Can I get that stuff at the pet store? Aquarium supply?

 

[afgooey]

hey woods i do remember putting plants out side to quick and not hardening will burst your tric's ive seen it on every grow that went from insid to out
i used to do it before i had a scope cuz its not noticable with out one
just keep an eye on them with a scope when it gets really bright