Woodsman's Northern Light #5 Grow

Wood...we top-dressed one of our plants and after heavy watering tested the runoff and it definitely made a difference. Mixing it in the soil would be better I am sure, but adding a couple Tbs to the top didn't seem to have any adverse effects on our plant. FWIW
 
hypo hippy said:
Wood...we top-dressed one of our plants and after heavy watering tested the runoff and it definitely made a difference. Mixing it in the soil would be better I am sure, but adding a couple Tbs to the top didn't seem to have any adverse effects on our plant. FWIW
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Thanks for getting back to me on that particular question Hypo, I may be able to get that stuff at the True Value Hardware store. Like 5 bucks for 40# and I'd use it with my outdoor also.
 
Hey Woods, I would go with the dolomite if it is in your price range. And those drops are the same thing I use, just different brand, I would trust the GH more than mine probably.

:peace: from the mountains.
 
Great news! Just called the True Value hardware in town and they have 5# bags of 'Hoffman's hydrated lime' at about 5 dollars! Forgot to ask about the pH kit, but I'll shoot over there today and see whats going on!

By the way. The wife has already asked me 'why do you need that stuff? Haven't you already got everything you need?" I'm telling you guys, it's tough. She asked me yesterday about what the bill from Lowes that cost like 50 bucks (CFL's) and she already knew the answer.:bong:
 
MountainHigh said:
Hey Woods, I would go with the dolomite if it is in your price range. And those drops are the same thing I use, just different brand, I would trust the GH more than mine probably.

:peace: from the mountains.
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Thanks bud, check my last post. I missed yours (I always do that)
 
It will do the job bro. Hydrated Lime is Calcium bonded to Hydrogen Peroxide (Ca(OH)2 so technically is probably CaO bonded to H2O). There are other components in that lime but I believe this is the primary mover. That creates a radical oxygen that any acid will bind, releasing water from the Ca.

Here this is a good read. Information is power.

CALCIUM HYDROXIDE or HYDRATED LIME

Commercial hydrated lime is a dry powder obtained by treating quicklime with sufficient water to satisfy its chemical affinity for water, thereby converting the oxides to hydroxides. Depending upon the type of quicklime used and the hydrating conditions employed, the amount of water in chemical combination varies, as follows:

High calcium hydrated lime: high calcium quicklime produces a hydrated lime containing generally 72 to 74 percent calcium oxide and 23 to 24 percent water.

Dolomitic hydrated lime (normal): under atmospheric hydrating conditions only the calcium oxide fraction of red dolomitic quicklime hydrates, producing a hydrated lime of the following chemical composition: 46 to 48 percent calcium oxide, 33 to 34 percent magnesium oxide, and 15 to 17 percent water.

Dolomitic hydrated lime (pressure treated): this lime is produced from dolomitic quicklime under pressure, which results in hydrating almost all of the magnesium oxide as well as all of the calcium oxide, producing the following chemical composition: 40 to 42 percent calcium oxide, 29 to 30 percent magnesium oxide, and 25 to 27 percent water.

Hydrated lime, though only slightly soluble in water, forms suspensions easily; the resulting solution and suspension is strongly alkaline, possessing a pH of 12.4.



From Peters Chemical Company.


No I did not make that company name up lol. :grinjoint:

I use the suspension of lime to ph with, the version I have is horticultural hydrated lime. I would like to get the Dolomitic version as a soil additive, but hypo was saying it worked as a dressing too so I would of chosen the Dolomitic if I had the choice.

:peace: bro

(P.S. It ate a pepsi bottle I had it in, it is now in glass.)
 
Woodsman said:
ChicagoJoe my old friend, good to hear from you! Just saw your post after I had already posted my previous. So Epsom Salts is OK, but only for mag def and not for raising pH. I mentioned in my previous post that I will most likely attempt to purchase some or all of the items that are needed. It may have to be in the smallest quantity they offer, but I'll try. Waiting to here if I used Dolomite lime, will it lower the pH by mixing it into the top of my soil (No transplanting)?

Great to have ya around!
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Actually, I would use the Epsom as a quick fix for mg because we have it in the house for baths. Otherwise a bottle of cal-mag plus (or the like) would be better for the long term.

Top dressing the soil means that you loosen up the top inch of soil, busting up the roots a little is ok and necessary. The put your desired quantity of solids (in your case the dolomite lime) probably just a few tbsp and then mix it up with the topsoil. Then water as normal.

Get a liquid ph test kit from a store near you, no need to order online. I got mine from an aquarium store, because it had more precise measurements.

I like ph test kit like this:
6, 6.2, 6.4, 6.8, 7

not like this:
4,5,6,7,8
 
MountainHigh said:
It will do the job bro. Hydrated Lime is Calcium bonded to Hydrogen Peroxide (Ca(OH)2 so technically is probably CaO bonded to H2O). There are other components in that lime but I believe this is the primary mover. That creates a radical oxygen that any acid will bind, releasing water from the Ca.

Here this is a good read. Information is power.

CALCIUM HYDROXIDE or HYDRATED LIME

Commercial hydrated lime is a dry powder obtained by treating quicklime with sufficient water to satisfy its chemical affinity for water, thereby converting the oxides to hydroxides. Depending upon the type of quicklime used and the hydrating conditions employed, the amount of water in chemical combination varies, as follows:

High calcium hydrated lime: high calcium quicklime produces a hydrated lime containing generally 72 to 74 percent calcium oxide and 23 to 24 percent water.

Dolomitic hydrated lime (normal): under atmospheric hydrating conditions only the calcium oxide fraction of red dolomitic quicklime hydrates, producing a hydrated lime of the following chemical composition: 46 to 48 percent calcium oxide, 33 to 34 percent magnesium oxide, and 15 to 17 percent water.

Dolomitic hydrated lime (pressure treated): this lime is produced from dolomitic quicklime under pressure, which results in hydrating almost all of the magnesium oxide as well as all of the calcium oxide, producing the following chemical composition: 40 to 42 percent calcium oxide, 29 to 30 percent magnesium oxide, and 25 to 27 percent water.

Hydrated lime, though only slightly soluble in water, forms suspensions easily; the resulting solution and suspension is strongly alkaline, possessing a pH of 12.4.



From Peters Chemical Company.


No I did not make that company name up lol. :grinjoint:

I use the suspension of lime to ph with, the version I have is horticultural hydrated lime. I would like to get the Dolomitic version as a soil additive, but hypo was saying it worked as a dressing too so I would of chosen the Dolomitic if I had the choice.

:peace: bro

(P.S. It ate a pepsi bottle I had it in, it is now in glass.)
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ChicagoJoe said:
Actually, I would use the Epsom as a quick fix for mg because we have it in the house for baths. Otherwise a bottle of cal-mag plus (or the like) would be better for the long term.

Top dressing the soil means that you loosen up the top inch of soil, busting up the roots a little is ok and necessary. The put your desired quantity of solids (in your case the dolomite lime) probably just a few tbsp and then mix it up with the topsoil. Then water as normal.

Get a liquid ph test kit from a store near you, no need to order online. I got mine from an aquarium store, because it had more precise measurements.

I like ph test kit like this:
6, 6.2, 6.4, 6.8, 7

not like this:
4,5,6,7,8
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Hey guys, thanks so much for explaining this all to me and making it much more digestible!. I'll be heading to the store in a few minutes and I'll see what they have.

You guys are tops!:bravo:
 
HawaiianDuck said:
hehehe, guess this has a unique meaning to pot growers, calling someone the tops here = like the dank beautiful main cola of a killer plant, you surpass all others!! :rofl:
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I didn't even think of it! Makes sense though!:smokin:
 
Wanted tho thank all of you again for helping me out here There are a lot of you! I bought a 5# bag of Hydrated Lime, but the pH test kit I got I will have to be returned tomorrow. The only one they had in the two stores I went to was for pools and since I couldn't see anything on the label to tell me it was different ( only reads from 6.8 - 8.5 range only) I bought it!

The instructions say for potted plants: Once a season add one tablespoon of Lime to a gallon of water only and then just water. I try it when I water in a day or two so I didn't add any yet. I'll be able to test the soil afterwords. Should I go less than 1 tablespoon or follow the instructions?


Here is the Hydrated Lime I bought. You can see the worthless pH kit that will go back tomorrow.
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Oh ya, I almost forgot! #4 is a Girl!! Confirmed!:bravo::welldone::thumb::ganjamon:

I will most likely rename all three. Don't like my original names!:reading420magazine:
 
Woodsman said:
Great news! Just called the True Value hardware in town and they have 5# bags of 'Hoffman's hydrated lime' at about 5 dollars! Forgot to ask about the pH kit, but I'll shoot over there today and see whats going on!

By the way. The wife has already asked me 'why do you need that stuff? Haven't you already got everything you need?" I'm telling you guys, it's tough. She asked me yesterday about what the bill from Lowes that cost like 50 bucks (CFL's) and she already knew the answer.:bong:
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Haha woods as usual i got a similar story from the day that pertains to G.A.S Hehe my girlfriend just got so pissed cuz i bought an eigth some soil and some edibles today and she straight freaked hahaha now that I'm stoned its really funny but thank god for ChiC-Fillet i was able to bribe her due to it being the favs haha Hope that your old lady has laid off a lil bit by now, I don't think that they will ever understand the constant upgrade that growing is :peace:my man
 
COmmjDude said:
Haha woods as usual i got a similar story from the day that pertains to G.A.S Hehe my girlfriend just got so pissed cuz i bought an eigth some soil and some edibles today and she straight freaked hahaha now that I'm stoned its really funny but thank god for ChiC-Fillet i was able to bribe her due to it being the favs haha Hope that your old lady has laid off a lil bit by now, I don't think that they will ever understand the constant upgrade that growing is :peace:my man
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thats funny. Man you guys sound like you have it rough too, sometimes I think I married my mother in another form. talking about she makes a big deal out of me spending 8 dollars on another fan for the box when last week she bought a 1/2 oz. of some purple skunk. that runs about 160 bucks around these parts. I still love her though I'd probably go crazy without her. btw woods, My NL grow is behind schedule, because yesterday I came home and the heat was blasted up to 80 and on the second floor it was hotter and even hotter in the box my two, two week old plants were completely fried I was pissed. back to the germination station and I only got 3 seeds left.
Sorry about posting my stuff on your journal. Congrats on the girls though Its looking great bro. peace and good karma.
 
Wood...congrats on the latest girl. Our babies are looking much better today after getting upgraded to the bigger buckets. Posted a couple of pics and you can certainly see the difference in the leaf curling. Not sure what fixed the problem since we changed several different things all at once. I am sure the lime helped our plants.....if nothing else it makes US feel better and that's what really matters. Right? We are still waiting on our last plant to make a decision. Come check us out bro.
 
COmmjDude said:
Haha woods as usual i got a similar story from the day that pertains to G.A.S Hehe my girlfriend just got so pissed cuz i bought an eigth some soil and some edibles today and she straight freaked hahaha now that I'm stoned its really funny but thank god for ChiC-Fillet i was able to bribe her due to it being the favs haha Hope that your old lady has laid off a lil bit by now, I don't think that they will ever understand the constant upgrade that growing is :peace:my man
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It's a constant battle! the only way around it is if we move out west. That has been a goal that I just never seem to get for her. I'm supposed to be able to grow until my heart is content if we only do the move!

Bud Farmer said:
thats funny. Man you guys sound like you have it rough too, sometimes I think I married my mother in another form. talking about she makes a big deal out of me spending 8 dollars on another fan for the box when last week she bought a 1/2 oz. of some purple skunk. that runs about 160 bucks around these parts. I still love her though I'd probably go crazy without her. btw woods, My NL grow is behind schedule, because yesterday I came home and the heat was blasted up to 80 and on the second floor it was hotter and even hotter in the box my two, two week old plants were completely fried I was pissed. back to the germination station and I only got 3 seeds left.
Sorry about posting my stuff on your journal. Congrats on the girls though Its looking great bro. peace and good karma.
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Your starting over! How far were you when this happened? That s*cks bigtime.
BreakPoint said:
awesome man!
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hypo hippy said:
Wood...congrats on the latest girl. Our babies are looking much better today after getting upgraded to the bigger buckets. Posted a couple of pics and you can certainly see the difference in the leaf curling. Not sure what fixed the problem since we changed several different things all at once. I am sure the lime helped our plants.....if nothing else it makes US feel better and that's what really matters. Right? We are still waiting on our last plant to make a decision. Come check us out bro.
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I'll check you out Hypo

By the way I'm thinking of naming plant#4 after my wife! #4 has given me problems and headaches from the beginning! :ganjamon:lol
 
COmmjDude said:
I hear Yah Man and congrats on your new daughter can't wait to see her grow into a sexy lady no offense haha
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Thanks COmmj. Now is the time that I can relax a bit. (A moment) Knowing what I have to work with is much easier on the mind. Now that I've got the hydrated lime, I feel better also. That was a headache and concern of mine for a week now. I want the best that I can possibly do for my plants and with a extremely tight budget, that doesn't leave much room to mess up!

All you guys terrific with the advise and help. Amazing!

COmmj, You have one heck of a grow going on yourself!:thumb:

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