Weffalo's West Coast O.G. First Time Grow: Indoor, Soil, SIP, Auto

Weffalo said:
Appreciate it Red, so in your case it was an abundance of nutes?

I'm not sure how easy it is to flush with the SIP I'm guessing I would run water through it and then let the plant soak the exact same water up from the res, I would guess feeding plain water inside the res would be pretty similar results in the SIPs?
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I was a new grower and was throwing the kitchen sink at the plant trying to grow those big green torpedo sized buds. The FFOF had more than enough pent up juice to veg the little broad without me adding a ton of shit (literally, bat shit 🤣) with every feeding.
In your situation, I'd Flood that beast and let the sip overflow run out the excess, get an $8 hand-suck pump from Walmart (or a $15 electric drill-spun sucker from Amazon) stick its tube down the fill hole and suck out the reservoir. It's like pressing "Reset" on the nutrients, fill er up with fresh aqua till she goes green again, then go back to hitting it with a proper grow blend. (I like to dose dat ass with a bunch of bloom-booster for them chubby rocketship sized nugs 🚀, but that's just me. 😜 )

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RedskinnedRhino said:
I was a new grower and was throwing the kitchen sink at the plant trying to grow those big green torpedo sized buds. The FFOF had more than enough pent up juice to veg the little broad without me adding a ton of shit (literally, bat shit 🤣) with every feeding.
In your situation, I'd Flood that beast and let the sip overflow run out the excess, get an $8 hand-suck pump from Walmart (or a $15 electric drill-spun sucker from Amazon) stick its tube down the fill hole and suck out the reservoir. It's like pressing "Reset" on the nutrients, fill er up with fresh aqua till she goes green again, then go back to hitting it with a proper grow blend. (I like to dose dat ass with a bunch of bloom-booster for them chubby rocketship sized nugs 🚀, but that's just me. 😜 )

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Cheers mate, I was thinking about getting a wet/dry vac but your solution is so much cheaper and easier... thanks.

I'll give flushing a try, it can't hurt and I do think I may have misdiagnosed the issue as increasing N has increased the problem or at least not solved it at all.

I have been using bloom nutes a few weeks now including "Pro Bloom" which is a bloom booster I think, the only thing I've not added is FinalPart as that's just for the final few weeks, not quite sure whens right to add those but I don't think yet.

"Rocketship sized nugs" damnnnn I'd be ecstatic if I mine got even 1/3rd the size lol :rofl:
 
I'm still waiting on a suction device so I haven't been able to flush anything yet... think I've kinda fucked it now lol.

So what I thought was N Defiency I think may have even been N toxicity? I don't know, I've stopped feeding N but the problem has gotten much worse. Not sure if the one plant will survive and the other 2 need intervention but I'm at a loss really.

Day 20 of Flower/Day 57

Plant 1 (Healthiest one):
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Plant 2 (One I'm most worried about):
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Plant 3 (Looks to be going down the same path but way better at the moment still):
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Tent smells amazing, really gutted that one of them is so far gone but good lesson for future on how fast things can deteroriate when you misdiagnose/solution the issue. I know the strain timelines aren't wholly accurate but should approximately have 2-3 weeks left I think.
 
Hey Carmen, thanks for checking in :)

So I was feeding calmag at 2ml/L until this last feed, the current feed I'm doing is no Calmag and no N, the CalMag is made with calcium nitrate which means it contains a non-insignificant amount of nitrogen, because I think it's N toxicity I was cautious about having any N at all but I've added some back in for todays refill.

I can see on say, plant 3, that it does look to be calcium defiency spots?

But I'm not sure if the original issue was caused by lack of CalMag or if it's because I've neglected to include it for the last 2 SIP refills that it's now become an additional issue I'm facing on top?

It's crazy how fast the issues snowball, and because these are autos I'm pretty worried I've screwed it up completely but I guess that wasn't entirely unexpected for this run lol :(
 
Weffalo said:
Hey Carmen, thanks for checking in :)

So I was feeding calmag at 2ml/L until this last feed, the current feed I'm doing is no Calmag and no N, the CalMag is made with calcium nitrate which means it contains a non-insignificant amount of nitrogen, because I think it's N toxicity I was cautious about having any N at all but I've added some back in for todays refill.

I can see on say, plant 3, that it does look to be calcium defiency spots?

But I'm not sure if the original issue was caused by lack of CalMag or if it's because I've neglected to include it for the last 2 SIP refills that it's now become an additional issue I'm facing on top?

It's crazy how fast the issues snowball, and because these are autos I'm pretty worried I've screwed it up completely but I guess that wasn't entirely unexpected for this run lol :(
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Yeah, a first run we are getting to know the plants and their needs. I did my first autos in winter and they both had leaves like this.
 
Carmen Ray said:
Yeah, a first run we are getting to know the plants and their needs. I did my first autos in winter and they both had leaves like this.
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And yours survived right? I know these plants are hardy but I just feel like everything has gone wrong at the worst possible time lol. If the problem started to ease off I'd be more hopeful of a good result but definitely seems to be snowballing rather rapidly :D

I'd guess even with synthetic nutes it takes a few days to show improvement (or worsening) and I think I'm basically dealing with the results of my previous (mis)feeds so it's possible things improve.

Currently it's just pro bloom, tri-part bloom & calmag in the water (6.2 pH) so fingers crossed that's what they are wanting right now!
 
Carmen Ray said:
My plants did survive and I got an ok harvest off each. The bud was very airy in my case but I am still smoking it and the effects are good.
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Well that's a great result for the first autos, I'll be happy with that if I can make it through till the end :)

I gotta say the smell from the tent is absolutely heavenly so if those terps are preserved I'll take larfy buds all day.

I'm probably gonna run the fresh frozen trim/leaf through bubble bags and then make a temple ball I'm gonna cure so worst case scenario I'll make more hash and use any buds that aren't nice to smoke as well :D
 
Looking at the defiencies again I'm not even sure I did misdiagnose it the first time, it does look to be N defiency but the increase in N just made things worse so it's very confusing on what exactly has gone wrong here :D
 
Weffalo said:
Looking at the defiencies again I'm not even sure I did misdiagnose it the first time, it does look to be N defiency but the increase in N just made things worse so it's very confusing on what exactly has gone wrong here :D
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Why not just grow in living soil, as a matter of interest? Not that I am trying to convert you but what is it that made you choose synthetic? Did you know that soil grows are more sustainable and earth friendly :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
I know you’re thorough with the nutes
I know you’re not light burning them
Cal mag is my Go-To and that’s covered.
My first offer is air circulation - specifically intake of fresh air. (Not re circulation, get more fresh in and remove any Co2 bags of the hanging type)
Second offer is root issue. But that’s real bad I think. And probably alarmist by me.
 
Carmen Ray said:
Why not just grow in living soil, as a matter of interest? Not that I am trying to convert you but what is it that made you choose synthetic? Did you know that soil grows are more sustainable and earth friendly :cheesygrinsmiley:
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Because where I am it's not easy to get a lot of stuff, I could certainly source everything for LOS but it's going to be a lot harder than just buying synthetic nutes. Ultimately they have the exact same chemicals in but I do realise one is much better for the planet. It's something for the future and not for now for me, more cost, learning and sourcing problems than I want to worry about just yet :)

NickHardy said:
I know you’re thorough with the nutes
I know you’re not light burning them
Cal mag is my Go-To and that’s covered.
My first offer is air circulation - specifically intake of fresh air. (Not re circulation, get more fresh in and remove any Co2 bags of the hanging type)
Second offer is root issue. But that’s real bad I think. And probably alarmist by me.
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Plenty of fresh air at the mo mate as I'm bringing it in from outside to cool temps, pushing 25c even with the cooler air so it's not ideal :D

I think it is a nute issue that has snowballed but seeing as it appeared to be needing nitrogen, I gave it nitrogen and things got worse I'm not so sure... maybe it is the roots but she is guzzling a gallon of water every half a day to a day so that would imply there are plenty of roots?

Thanks for your thoughts mate, hopefully she survives these last few weeks 🤞
 
Assuming you've got a drain hole you could tip the bucket to drain as much liquid as you can and then give the soil a good flush (3x container volume).

But if she's drinking a gallon a day there can't be much left in the res to begin with.
 
Azimuth said:
Assuming you've got a drain hole you could tip the bucket to drain as much liquid as you can and then give the soil a good flush (3x container volume).

But if she's drinking a gallon a day there can't be much left in the res to begin with.
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No the res is empty daily but the tray it's sat in is constantly full, I'm waiting on an oil extractor to come (hopefully today) which will let me easily drain the saucers without lifting everything out and spilling it everywhere and then I can do a flush.

What should I do about nutes after flush though do you think?

Just stick with the feed schedule and see what happens?

It definitely looks like not enough N but I fed it for 2 days straight with increased N and it seems to have gotten worse so I'm a bit of a loss as what the plan/remedy should be even if I flush the soil out.
 
It takes time for things to happen. That's frustrating. I'm thinking it looks like what you said. calcium def with maybe some mag def. Also could be darker green? So stick with your actions I think and keep up with enough n to keep em nice green.
 
Ok thanks a lot Stone, appreciate your input. Definitely frustrating but I'm treating it as a learning experience, wasn't expecting miracles my first go. Hopefully they can enjoy a little bit of better health before they finish.

It's the final two weeks now as well so I'm meant to start adding ripening agent, Final Part, I know it's hard to judge when you are two weeks away because it's based on the trich but does anyone have any idea whether now looks as good a time as any to start adding it? It's 0-6-5 on the bottle.

It's 2 weeks away based on a 10 week schedule :)
 
Weffalo said:
No the res is empty daily but the tray it's sat in is constantly full, I'm waiting on an oil extractor to come (hopefully today) which will let me easily drain the saucers without lifting everything out and spilling it everywhere and then I can do a flush.
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Ah, makes sense.

Weffalo said:
What should I do about nutes after flush though do you think?

Just stick with the feed schedule and see what happens?
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Well, you'll have ideally stripped everything out, so you have to put some back in, then start the nute calendar from then.

Weffalo said:
It's 2 weeks away based on a 10 week schedule :)
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And is that based on flip or the actual start of flower? And what does the breeder count?
 
Azimuth said:
Ah, makes sense.


Well, you'll have ideally stripped everything out, so you have to put some back in, then start the nute calendar from then.


And is that based on flip or the actual start of flower? And what does the breeder count?
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They are autos so no flip, the 420fastbuds website actually says 9-10 weeeks so based on that they have 1 or 2 weeks left? Again I know you check trich to know when it's done but just wondering when to add the final nute to hopefully help fatten these buds out for the final stretch.

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