I definitely recommend getting a tent bigger than what you need if you can fit it in somewhere. Having room to move inside the tent can be a godsend ...and not having it can be a royal PITA!
Weasel Forges Ahead
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Dankman_420
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I also agree with the clones don't have the vigor of seed plants. I also think that they kinda evolve over time. For example here's the seed plant of my 24k gold
After cloning clone of a clone over time it consistently looked like this
After cloning clone of a clone over time it consistently looked like this
interesting, indeed
Epigenetics.
They'll adapt to new conditions - soil, nutrients, humidity - switching dormant genes on, and active ones off.
Epigenetics.
well i could see that for sure
they would indeed have to evolve along with the evolution of the grower as well
my blueberry that i have been cloning for at least four years still looks great, even greater perhaps,, but maybe i have something to do with that as well
and my blueberry would have gone from bug infested soil thru to hempy now as well,, it would have had to be the same plant cuz i have only ever had one blueberry
Dankman_420
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My 24k always smoked the same, same flavor even. Citrus from it's Tangie mother.
But it's seed plant was Way more leafly than the clones. It's 8 week flower time stayed constant too.
I'd still have it if it wasn't for the russets
But it's seed plant was Way more leafly than the clones. It's 8 week flower time stayed constant too.
I'd still have it if it wasn't for the russets
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The loss of clone vigor over time is well known but usually not understood. I recently read a very good article about it and the idea of ‘genetic drift’. Most of the article is spent explaining why the loss of vigour is actually not caused by genetic drift.
Basically genetic drift by definition involves sexual reproduction and an influx of fresh genes. Mutation can occur within a single organism but it’s rare. Mutations do want to happen, but because every single cell of the plant contains a complete copy of its genetic code, and has various built in safeguards designed to keep the code true, it’s not likely. Same as it doesn’t happen much with us.
This article attributes the clone vigour issue to mainly two things. Plants tend to accumulate diseases and problems over time, which get entrenched and passed on through the cuttings.
The other factor was ‘senescence’ which refers to the basic built in clock we all have ticking. Various processes work against the idea of eternal youth. We usually think of death and decay as a negative, an absence of life and everything good. But in nature that housecleaning and recycling ability is every bit as important a process as growth and birth. It’s just the other side of the balance.
Having said all that I still feel like there are magical mutations that happen, whether or not you can actually call them mutations. I was talking to a botanist friend recently who talked about hedge propagation and said they like to choose their cuttings from certain parts of the hedge because some parts tend to retain a more bushy character than other parts. He didn’t understand why either.
Basically genetic drift by definition involves sexual reproduction and an influx of fresh genes. Mutation can occur within a single organism but it’s rare. Mutations do want to happen, but because every single cell of the plant contains a complete copy of its genetic code, and has various built in safeguards designed to keep the code true, it’s not likely. Same as it doesn’t happen much with us.
This article attributes the clone vigour issue to mainly two things. Plants tend to accumulate diseases and problems over time, which get entrenched and passed on through the cuttings.
The other factor was ‘senescence’ which refers to the basic built in clock we all have ticking. Various processes work against the idea of eternal youth. We usually think of death and decay as a negative, an absence of life and everything good. But in nature that housecleaning and recycling ability is every bit as important a process as growth and birth. It’s just the other side of the balance.
Having said all that I still feel like there are magical mutations that happen, whether or not you can actually call them mutations. I was talking to a botanist friend recently who talked about hedge propagation and said they like to choose their cuttings from certain parts of the hedge because some parts tend to retain a more bushy character than other parts. He didn’t understand why either.
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I’d like to hope that selfed seeds from my P Chunk would be more vigorous than its parent plant. There’s no doubt that I tend to pick up fungal issues here, this whole place is like a petri dish.
She always run good for me in flower, in veg she was really pissy.
this exact truth was used yesterday to explain why the corona virus will not get too deep into our cells and change our genetic code
a busy day on here for me today,, ha. first day off for the rest of the year,, transition time,, always wonky for me for a few days
critical purple kush,,
i been trying to get a better pic of this thing,, 56 days into flower,, times two the frostiest plant i have grown
this pic with a flash,, does it a bit good i think
i love it when the trichomes on the edges of the leaves are so thick it turns the leaf a grey. can be seen a bit there,, so cool
critical purple kush,,
i been trying to get a better pic of this thing,, 56 days into flower,, times two the frostiest plant i have grown
this pic with a flash,, does it a bit good i think
i love it when the trichomes on the edges of the leaves are so thick it turns the leaf a grey. can be seen a bit there,, so cool
Nice pics for sure!
Dankman_420
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Frosty
so i have another nice plant in my tent in the house,,
a cherry bomb,, this thing smells amazing,, i dunno about cherry but as fruity/minty a plant i have ever smelt
this one has a bitta the grey look as well
this tent has four plants,, all from seeds i won in the foto contest, including the critical purple kush,, and two other ones commin along,, looking very sugary as well, two killer purps they are called, tho the two look quite different
they are not quite worthy of pics yet,,
a cherry bomb,, this thing smells amazing,, i dunno about cherry but as fruity/minty a plant i have ever smelt
this one has a bitta the grey look as well
this tent has four plants,, all from seeds i won in the foto contest, including the critical purple kush,, and two other ones commin along,, looking very sugary as well, two killer purps they are called, tho the two look quite different
they are not quite worthy of pics yet,,
Who bred the Cherry Bomb?
Ok cool should be a nice one
The Celt
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If you are lucky @nivek , she will start to develop deep red, almost a red/blue colouring to her leaves. She’s a good one for pain, and although I wasn’t overly impressed with the smoke (3 different runs) all my friends love it so I kept growing it 
This is one from my first grow about 6 years ago
This is one from my first grow about 6 years ago
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Yeah you guys also, have much better looking plants than I do .
I’m excited to be moving away from mega crop, and surprised I haven’t gotten around to it sooner. It’s been two days since the planties got fed their new mix. Too soon to say much about their reaction, especially with deficiencies already showing, but they seem happy.
In the nutrient mixing dept, and many other departments, I have to give a shout out to Skybound who has been incredibly generous with his knowledge and helped me out hugely over the last couple years, in the forum and outside of it. Thanks Skybound.
Ever since I started mega crop, and especially after I switched from Sunshine Mix to Promix, all plants in veg, of all ages from tiny ones on up, started showing white specks resembling bug damage. My ass-umption was probably calcium deficiencies. I still have a hard time looking at it without feeling twinges of spider mite PTSD.
The Carnival especially hates mega crop and has been extremely miserable ever since I started with it. If this is what a carnival is supposed to be like I think I’ll hold off on buying tickets to Rio de Janeiro. (And any potential lighting sponsors please avert your eyes already)
This is the upper growth of that Durple Pream plant with the spotty leaves.
We will see if the upper growth stays nice. It’s been a couple weeks since I stopped using MC in veg, and I’m convinced that the veg plants look way happier and are growing way faster. Anyone who followed my journals in the past can probably remember that my veg room was always an overgrown jungle. I remember that too. But it hasn’t been that way for a long time now. Veg has been acting more like it’s almost standing still. Actually it’s been sort of convenient and I haven’t had to get the machete out all the time. But- odd.
Anyway... I’ll do a side by side once the clones root. Mega crop vs a couple other options, to see how they compare for spots, deficiencies, and growth rate. I could be imagining some of it. Wouldn't be the first time I fooled myself.
I’ve had this word rolling around in my head for a couple days now. Just haven’t had time to look it up but I will.
Like some crop king seeds, and a growing book which actually seems worth a look. Written by ‘K of trichome technologies’ anyone heard of it?
I’ve got a fair amount of crop king stuff already that I’ve won and probably will never use. Would be fun to, uhhh....hypothetically, give them away to someone in need but around here it’s like trying to give away sand at the beach. Anyone? Pm me if it sounds at all interesting, don’t be shy.
.I’m excited to be moving away from mega crop, and surprised I haven’t gotten around to it sooner. It’s been two days since the planties got fed their new mix. Too soon to say much about their reaction, especially with deficiencies already showing, but they seem happy.
In the nutrient mixing dept, and many other departments, I have to give a shout out to Skybound who has been incredibly generous with his knowledge and helped me out hugely over the last couple years, in the forum and outside of it. Thanks Skybound.
Ever since I started mega crop, and especially after I switched from Sunshine Mix to Promix, all plants in veg, of all ages from tiny ones on up, started showing white specks resembling bug damage. My ass-umption was probably calcium deficiencies. I still have a hard time looking at it without feeling twinges of spider mite PTSD.
The Carnival especially hates mega crop and has been extremely miserable ever since I started with it. If this is what a carnival is supposed to be like I think I’ll hold off on buying tickets to Rio de Janeiro. (And any potential lighting sponsors please avert your eyes already)
This is the upper growth of that Durple Pream plant with the spotty leaves.
We will see if the upper growth stays nice. It’s been a couple weeks since I stopped using MC in veg, and I’m convinced that the veg plants look way happier and are growing way faster. Anyone who followed my journals in the past can probably remember that my veg room was always an overgrown jungle. I remember that too. But it hasn’t been that way for a long time now. Veg has been acting more like it’s almost standing still. Actually it’s been sort of convenient and I haven’t had to get the machete out all the time. But- odd.
Anyway... I’ll do a side by side once the clones root. Mega crop vs a couple other options, to see how they compare for spots, deficiencies, and growth rate. I could be imagining some of it. Wouldn't be the first time I fooled myself.
I’ve had this word rolling around in my head for a couple days now. Just haven’t had time to look it up but I will.
I checked that out today. I guess the guy originally bought the tent as a package along with 6” vent fan, carbon filter, ducting, four vipar lights, etc. I decided to buy it since I’d been to the trouble of going to see it. Yeah I know the lights are crap and I don’t need most of that stuff - but whatever. It’s here in front of me at the right time, so I may as well go with the flow. He also gave me some other random stuff I don’t want
Like some crop king seeds, and a growing book which actually seems worth a look. Written by ‘K of trichome technologies’ anyone heard of it?I’ve got a fair amount of crop king stuff already that I’ve won and probably will never use. Would be fun to, uhhh....hypothetically, give them away to someone in need but around here it’s like trying to give away sand at the beach. Anyone? Pm me if it sounds at all interesting, don’t be shy.
Skybound
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Wow man, thanks for the love! Your veg looks amazing, let's hope bloom soon shows the same level of enthusiasm moving forward. Any chance the white specs are from paint chipping off the walls and ceiling? When I had my veg in a painted closet, I also had some white specs here and there. I find my plants give the happiest expressions when I let them get closer to dry pots. In rockwool the most, but also in Faux mix to a slightly lesser degree. On days when I lift the pots and get scared at how light they are, I find that's when the plants accomplish the best growth, both in the soil and above as well. They seem to reach farther when this happens which later translates to faster growth overall. Conversely though, this seems to be a best practice in veg, but a lot less so in bloom. I always try to challenge this threshhold in bloom, but often it seems I go too far and if the pots get too dry, my harvests suffer. It's amazing how in veg I can let them get near bone dry and they love it, but in bloom it seems if I let soil moisture get below roughly 35%, they freak out on me in a bad way. To play it safe, I alternate feeds between a full rootzone drench and a partial just to re-wet the top.