Volksball's First Grow: White Widow Feminized Grow Journal 2018

Emilya said:
Only logic can inform us that any salt accumulation must have an effect.
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You're assuming salt accumulation from the outset of your thesis, without having proved it exists. Stating that it's logical is not fact based.

Nor have you defined "salts" which is a broad term that covers both necessary and deadly compounds to our plants.

I don't want to hash this out in VB's thread, but saying something exists because it's logical is no proof at all. I'll leave it for VB to decide what he wants to do.
 
InTheShed said:
You're assuming salt accumulation from the outset of your thesis, without having proved it exists. Stating that it's logical is not fact based.

Nor have you defined "salts" which is a broad term that covers both necessary and deadly compounds to our plants.

I don't want to hash this out in VB's thread, but saying something exists because it's logical is no proof at all. I'll leave it for VB to decide what he wants to do.
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Much appreciated to the both of you for offering not just your time, but valuable input on a topic very obviously still in debate.

Feel free to hash it out here, as I can't see harm in having an educated debate that we call can learn from. That is why we're here, isn't it?
 
Thank you Volksball, for where else should this be debated but within the sight of someone wishing to learn?

so, you put a chelated nute in a properly pH adjusted bath or container of soil and what happens? It breaks apart into its components, the nutes and the salt bond that was holding them together in a stable form, along with a tiny bit of carbon that is released as the bond breaks down. If you apply synthetic nutes to your soil, this debris is left over and it doesn't just magically disappear. There can be no debate about this, the debris must not only exist but it must build up over time. We know that these salts build up, and for decades growers have been advised to flush these salts out of the soil when the buildup reaches the point that we get what is commonly known as a salt lockout. There are a broad range of salts used to bind these nutrients into packages that can be mass produced and kept stable on the shelves, but in this context, salt is salt... and in its many forms, these salts restrict water uptake in roots.
 
Emilya said:
it doesn't just magically disappear
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Not by magic, no. It's replaced with fresh nutrients next time you water. Problem solved. It's like flushing, only with fresh nutes.
 
InTheShed said:
Not by magic, no. It's replaced with fresh nutrients next time you water. Problem solved. It's like flushing, only with fresh nutes.
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replaced, like in set off to the side somewhere or somehow converted to something else? The salt still exists, and the fresh nutrients just bring in another batch of it. It isnt replaced when you water; it is only dissolved into an increasingly saltier solution each time, until you actually flush some of it out of there. Flushing 10% doesn't solve this either, because flushing 10% of something still leaves 90%... and then you add more the next time.
 
Not sure if you're being obtuse or not. Replaced by fresh nutrients. Whatever was in the soil is what is washed out in the runoff.



Feel free to flush two weeks before harvest or don't if the plant looks great (or any other time during the grow when a corrective flush is called for by the condition of the plant), but whatever you do, please don't give it nothing but plain water after that. Feed it until harvest.
 
Good morning, growers.

Having a look at the girls this morning and last, I've noticed that nearing the end of their light cycle, the tallest plants are closing up their top leaves around the pistils. See pic. I'm guessing that it's just been a long 'day' of sunshine, so they're protecting themselves, as this doesn't happen until the end of their day.

The leaves on all branches, tall and short, look great, so I'm guessing that this is a healthy protective move by the plant as I'm sure I'd see signs of light and heat stress in the leaves of there were any. Unless this is a sign.

The temperature in the tent is 24c during the hottest hours and RH holds around 52%.

Thx!

Day 87/12F
 

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I think that instead of protection, it is celebration. The leaves are simply reaching up to the light.
 
Emilya said:
I think that instead of protection, it is celebration. The leaves are simply reaching up to the light.
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Oh ok. Thanks. So by that description, it's healthy? I just noticed that it happened only at the end of their day, which made me feel like they've had enough for a day.
 
volksball said:
Oh ok. Thanks. So by that description, it's healthy? I just noticed that it happened only at the end of their day, which made me feel like they've had enough for a day.
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someone is anthropomorphising again. I bet if you put a time lapse on it you would see a lifting up and drooping down that was timed with the day and night cycle. Yours are probably seeing maximum lift as the water table falls in your containers, and maybe it is taking all day to get the water pressure up to the point that this can happen. This is curious, and I would be looking for other reasons why this delayed response... maybe additional airflow as you open the tent to look at them... heat changes...
Mine droop just a little overnight, but shortly before dawn they all rise up to greet the light and stay there all day long. Keep an eye on them... they are trying to tell you something.
 
Emilya said:
someone is anthropomorphising again. I bet if you put a time lapse on it you would see a lifting up and drooping down that was timed with the day and night cycle. Yours are probably seeing maximum lift as the water table falls in your containers, and maybe it is taking all day to get the water pressure up to the point that this can happen. This is curious, and I would be looking for other reasons why this delayed response... maybe additional airflow as you open the tent to look at them... heat changes...
Mine droop just a little overnight, but shortly before dawn they all rise up to greet the light and stay there all day long. Keep an eye on them... they are trying to tell you something.
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Will do, thanks. I do go into the tent often during my evening and their morning. The lights come on at 7pm. I try to gather as much information from them before I head to bed and leave them for the night. Should I be entering the tent less? The heat does fluctuate some as the house temps do. Possibly that as well. I also have fans blowing from everywhere, not hard, but everywhere. Again, they dance and sway very similarly to how they might in nature on a breezy day.

Thanks for filling me in on what they should be doing. I'm sure that their reaching up to the light happens hours before I see it at 6am, but when? Nowhere between 7pm and 10:30pm.
 
Hi guys,

Should I be concerned? This looks and wipes exactly like dust. I'm pretty sure that it is. It's only on a few leaves and on one plant. I know it's a 'wait and see' situation, but does it look like the start of anything or just dust to you? White powdery mildew with this much air movement? I imagine with this many fans and soil/perlite drying, particles of both will be flying around.

There are a couple (as in two or three leaves), that have damage, so you can see how I started putting (hopefully) the wrong pieces together.

Thx.
 

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Can you brush it off?
 
Dust! I don't think that anything serious can be blown off your leaves with your mouth.
 
InTheShed said:
Dust! I don't think that anything serious can be blown off your leaves with your mouth.
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Ha. Thanks. I mean most comes with a good breath. The rest with a thumb. I figured it was dust, but that type of crap creeps up on you.
 
Feed night in the books and the turkey baster trick was exaxtly what I needed. Sad news, however, in the rush to stay on top of the pots before they overflowed, I snapped a branch. Not one that would have made the cut, but a good tough branch that was hangin too close to the door. She was about 12" long.

I'm sure it wont kill the plant, but can it recover from the stress to be the plant it once was with such an amputation? It snapped through the skin :(

RIP
 

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The plant won't notice a thing! More sugar to the rest of the flowers. Freeze the flowers to put in with the trim after harvest.
 
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