Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic - High Brix -Nirvana Ice- 49 Plant SOG

[SurfBuddy]

Re: Vapedogg223’s Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic - High Brix -Nirvana Ice- 49 Plant

I think since we have no point of reference, we can consider 6 for leaves and 11.2 for buds a success! It wasn't .1 or .6 right? I'm sure when you get the timing down with feeding/etc. that your brix will rise.

 

[Hash Hound]

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Vape

what did you pay for that little gizmo

 

[Doc Bud]

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I'm pretty much certain that when taking a brix reading, the cell walls must be crushed, ruptured, etc.

I'm going to use a mortal and pestle to make a paste, then squeeze the paste.

Also, taking readings from leaves that the plant is cannibalizing isn't going to give a really good measurement. Healthy, growing leaves is what we want. I'm going to take my readings if and when I pull off some healthy fan leaves, or when I prune, which is often.

I think it's important to remember that the goal is to harvest at the highest brix possible, which means that taking reading at trim time, from healthy sugar leaves is probably the most accurate way we can determine the brix when it matters most.

Yes, it's a great idea to keep the brix up throughout the whole grow.....but we've only got so many leaves! It's also why it's important to have the soil just right.

 

[Vapedogg223]

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I think since we have no point of reference, we can consider 6 for leaves and 11.2 for buds a success! It wasn't .1 or .6 right? I'm sure when you get the timing down with feeding/etc. that your brix will rise.

for that! But I'm not so sure...at least as far as Brix goes. Doc posted a number for excellent Brix, 22 I believe...I'll go back and edit this if I'm wrong, and Icemud has been getting higher readings so far from his plants.

But as a grow, if things continue on this path, it is most definitely a success! I'm still not sure how to even describe the effects from the sample I vaped the other day...but I will post something on the experience.

Oh well, that's why we're doing this, to figure out what works, and how well...I've told many new growers here that any grow you learn and improve from is a success!

Thanks again bro!

 

[Vapedogg223]

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Vape

what did you pay for that little gizmo

It was a few cents less than $152 with free shipping, but I really like the unit, and thought that was very reasonable for what it does. They have a few models that have slightly different features, mine is the Digital Refractometer for Measurement of Sugar in Wine, HI 96811 | HANNA Instruments USA. I'll be using it for my vegetables as well, so I really like how easy it is to use. Automatic temperature compensation, waterproof, (not submersible...but can be splashed on, etc...) and no guesswork.

 

[Vapedogg223]

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I'm pretty much certain that when taking a brix reading, the cell walls must be crushed, ruptured, etc.

I'm going to use a mortal and pestle to make a paste, then squeeze the paste.

Also, taking readings from leaves that the plant is cannibalizing isn't going to give a really good measurement. Healthy, growing leaves is what we want. I'm going to take my readings if and when I pull off some healthy fan leaves, or when I prune, which is often.

I think it's important to remember that the goal is to harvest at the highest brix possible, which means that taking reading at trim time, from healthy sugar leaves is probably the most accurate way we can determine the brix when it matters most.

Yes, it's a great idea to keep the brix up throughout the whole grow.....but we've only got so many leaves! It's also why it's important to have the soil just right.

Trust me, all the cell walls were crushed with the clamp! The plant material left was an unrecognizable blotch something that had to be scraped off the plastic shoe of the clamp with something stiff...but for anyone that's going to use a mortar and pestle, make sure you use one made out of stainless steel, or another non-porous material...the stone/marble ones are used for dry spices, and the porous walls will soak up the sap. Not only do we need that to test, but I would imagine it could also contaminate the subsequent samples.

I think you are right, the sugar leaves at harvest will probably be the best determination of the final product. From what I've read, Brix can go way up or way down in a matter of hours depending on conditions/feedings. So for the best results everything from the soil up needs to be closely managed.

I'm still planning on taking a couple more readings around my feeding tonight just to see what happens...I'll post the results of course.

 

[James 1st]

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I have a noob question what would happen if you don't harvest your plants? I mean I know they will keep growing obviously but what will happen to the buds? Would they just fall off & the plant will keep growing???

 

[Icemud]

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Hey Vape, glad to see that you got your meter and that you are getting your readings documents... Its pretty crazy to see the more I use my meter.. the plants will literally go up and down depending on the feedings and foliar spray components I am using. I can't wait till we all have more data to really dial this method in..

Just to let ya know, I created a video about taking brix readings and posted it on my journal...

Your ladies are looking excellent bro!!

 

[Vapedogg223]

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I have a noob question what would happen if you don't harvest your plants? I mean I know they will keep growing obviously but what will happen to the buds? Would they just fall off & the plant will keep growing???

Very good question! To be honest I don't really know. My guess...the first thing that would happen when you miss the harvest window is the THC would start to degrade...the plants would continue to grow for a while, but if you just left it in flower, eventually the plant would just die, but I don't know how long it would take, or how long it would continue to bud in an attempt to carry on it's genetics...I would imagine some plants might even hermie.

Maybe someone else knows for sure...I'd love to hear if they do!

 

[Vapedogg223]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic - High Brix -Nirvana Ice- 49 Plant

Hey Vape, glad to see that you got your meter and that you are getting your readings documents... Its pretty crazy to see the more I use my meter.. the plants will literally go up and down depending on the feedings and foliar spray components I am using. I can't wait till we all have more data to really dial this method in..

Just to let ya know, I created a video about taking brix readings and posted it on my journal...

Your ladies are looking excellent bro!!

Thanks bro! Yeah, my readings are all over the place! I'll be posting some pics of my latest attempts in a bit!

I'll have to check out the video!

 

[Vapedogg223]

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So I tried taking some more Brix readings last night. I used a couple more popcorn buds for the samples.

The first sample was taken approximately 2 hours before a Natures Own tea application. Here's the first bud I used taken...

The sample was balled up, put in the clamp and throughly crushed, then I opened the clamp, balled up the remains and tightened the clamp again...I was able to get a couple drops out of it.

This is what was left...

The results were a whopping 8.6 as you can see...

Here's the second sample that I took around 2 hours after the feeding...but to be fair not from the same plant...

And the results...even more perplexing!

I'm not sure what any of this means at this point, but just thought I'd share!

I don't know if I'll take any more readings before harvest, but I'll definitely be taking Doc's recommendation, and using the sugar leaves at harvest to see what I come up with.

 

[Vapedogg223]

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On a happier note, I accidentally snapped another branch last night...maybe earlier this morning...it all blurs together... Anyway, the important part is that this is going to be my first official sample!

Here they are trimmed up...first a smaller bud...

And the tip of the branch...

I couldn't see an amber trichome on the thing...

I'll give it a 2-3 day quick dry, and give you a preliminary report. I was going to post something on the first sample I tried, but I think I'll wait until I try this before I post it.

 

[Vapedogg223]

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Now this post is just plain fun!

I mentioned that I had ordered a digital microscope. Well, it arrived yesterday and I had a chance to play around with it just a little bit today. I snipped a sugar leaf off one of the girls, and here's some of what I ended up with!

I'll definitely be playing around with this much more!

I think the few amber you can see were damaged, because everything else looks clear to me...

Thanks for looking, and as always, feel free to share your thoughts!

 

[Hash Hound]

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I have a noob question what would happen if you don't harvest your plants? I mean I know they will keep growing obviously but what will happen to the buds? Would they just fall off & the plant will keep growing???

Hey James, check out my Northern Lights grow down below. It went 18 wks flowering. I think it would have gone a few more if we let her. It was a hempy OC+ and we kept waiting for amber to show and never really did like we expected. Way under nourished because we kept expecting it to be done and it never really was. If I knew what I know now I would have been twice as good in half the time. That's why I'm here to learn.

It was my first "connoisseur seed" grow.

 

[Doc Bud]

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On a happier note, I accidentally snapped another branch last night...maybe earlier this morning...it all blurs together... Anyway, the important part is that this is going to be my first official sample!

Here they are trimmed up...first a smaller bud...

And the tip of the branch...

I couldn't see an amber trichome on the thing...

I'll give it a 2-3 day quick dry, and give you a preliminary report. I was going to post something on the first sample I tried, but I think I'll wait until I try this before I post it.

I think there's something wrong in the sampling/measurement loop. What that might be, I don't know, but those buds look really nice and they sure as hell aren't 8 brix! You could get that with Miracle Grow in a hempy bucket.

I'll be getting mine soon and we'll see what kind of readings I get...but in spite of that, there's no way your plants are that low.

Morter and Pestle maybe? Grind up the cells?

Is the meter accurate?

 

[Vapedogg223]

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I think there's something wrong in the sampling/measurement loop. What that might be, I don't know, but those buds look really nice and they sure as hell aren't 8 brix! You could get that with Miracle Grow in a hempy bucket.

I'll be getting mine soon and we'll see what kind of readings I get...but in spite of that, there's no way your plants are that low.

Morter and Pestle maybe? Grind up the cells?

Is the meter accurate?

I'm not stressing over it...I know this is the highest quality I've grown to date, if last week's sample was any indication, that is! I'm sure we'll get it figured out eventually!

I'll give it a try with the mortar and pestle! I still didn't get any distilled water to properly zero the thing, but I can't imagine it would be off by that much. It came with a certification that it was calibrated and tested at the factory, and was within .1% of the 5, 25 and 50 Brix test points...5.1, 25.1 and 49.9 to be exact. but I will get some before the next test.

I can also try some leaves from my moms, and other fruits/vegetables of course.

 

[Xlr8]

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I'm with Doc, those things look primo and very high brix! As you said, you'll get it figured out I'm sure. Glad to hear the sample was that good. Those trimmed up sample buds on the broken off stick look fantastic too. Cool new USB digital microscope! Love those pics and how they bring the trichomes out so clearly, like a little forest. Sweet!

 

[Icemud]

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Man Vape...that microscope is amazing...how much did that run you? I would love to get one of those in the near future...what excellent photos!!!

Those bud's look amazing too!!!

 

[Vapedogg223]

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I'm with Doc, those things look primo and very high brix! As you said, you'll get it figured out I'm sure. Glad to hear the sample was that good. Those trimmed up sample buds on the broken off stick look fantastic too. Cool new USB digital microscope! Love those pics and how they bring the trichomes out so clearly, like a little forest. Sweet!

brother! The whole point of attempting a high Brix grow was to get the highest quality buds...and I am very happy so far with the quality! The first sample was an accident as well, but you could barely even call it a bud...to be totally honest, it was so strong I'm almost a little apprehensive about trying this one. If a higher Brix means it will be even better, I can hardly wait until I get things dialed in!

I actually went with a standalone digital microscope: Celestron LCD Digital Microscope - Microscopes It works like a camera, stick an SD card in the side and shoot away!

The lights on it work well for slides, but for the leaf, I needed additional light. I used a tactical LED flashlight for those pics, but I'll probably pick up a cheap gooseneck type LED desk light at some point. So far getting the lighting just right is the hardest part!

 

[Vapedogg223]

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Man Vape...that microscope is amazing...how much did that run you? I would love to get one of those in the near future...what excellent photos!!!

Those bud's look amazing too!!!

bro!

I can tell I'm going to have a blast with the microscope! I paid $160 for it with free shipping from Amazon...but for what ever reason it's gone up to $170 since I ordered it. It even came with a very nice carrying case. I'll probably post some pics of it when I have a chance!