Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic - High Brix -Nirvana Ice- 49 Plant SOG

[Doc Bud]

Re: Vapedogg223's Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic - High Brix -Nirvana Ice- 49 Plant

bro...I guess we'll have to wait and see!

I'm focusing my energy on timing the harvest correctly and thinking about drying and curing now, but I still think they are going to go all of 10 weeks...but I could be wrong. I ordered a digital microscope so with any luck I'll be posting some trichome pics in a few days. The refractometer is still scheduled to arrive on Monday, but the delivery date on the microscope was pushed back to sometime next week...

Totally off topic...do you have any thoughts on using an ozone generator in a grow room? I know high levels of ozone can damage plants, but I've not found a definitive answer on how much is too high. The new rooms are going to be sealed, and I was just planning on carbon scrubbing, but the inline duct ozone generators look like an interesting option...

Thanks again for your input bro!

Funny you should ask about ozone! I was just going to look into one. I used to have one on the boat. Kept the bilges fresh, no mildew anywhere, no rot.

 

[Vapedogg223]

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They look fantastic Vape.
Don't know shit about Ozone. I've always just used a good filter. I also cant wait to get to a 100% sealed room. The more aspects of my environment that I can control the better.

I know what you mean brother, and you're 420% correct! I can't wait to get in there myself! Let's not ever forget the first three pillars of the DOCtrine:

1: Environment
2: Environment
3: Environment

I know that in order to really step my grows up to the next level I have to have an environment that's as close to perfect as possible...it's taking me a while, but I'm working towards that goal!

 

[Vapedogg223]

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Funny you should ask about ozone! I was just going to look into one. I used to have one on the boat. Kept the bilges fresh, no mildew anywhere, no rot.

Thats what I'm reading...spores, pollen, odors, whatever's floating around...toast!

I'm going to have two rooms, separated by a level change, and a load bearing wall...flowering on one side, moms/veg on the upper side in a smaller room. One won't be accessible from the other, but I'm planning on using one environmental controller and circulating the air through both rooms. I thought something like this 8" UV-In-Line Duct Ozonator (High-Output UV Bulb) - Access Hydroponic might be able to replace a carbon filter, and have the benefits of killing mold, mildew etc. But after reading the manual it says minimum 15 ft. of duct after the generator...so I'll have to look at the smaller room units.

This is the warning on their website:

• Uvonair 1000, 3000, 5000 are SOLELY FOR INDUSTRIAL USE, to be used by professionals in controlled areas where people are not physically present for prolonged periods of time.
• Ozone in concentrations above .05 ppm may be injurious to human health.
• The intended use of this product is for:
  • Odor and smoke control in the Hotel Industry.
  • Odor and smoke control in the Vehicle Reconditioning Industry.
  • Odor and bacteria control in the Indoor Gardening Industry.
  • Mold remediation.
  • And other industrial uses where people do not typically occupy the space.
• In-Duct device(s): UV80H, CD800, CD1000-1, CD1000-2, CD1200 are designed to be used solely as a physically integrated part of a central heating/Air conditioning, or VENTILATION SYSTEM.

*Not for residential use!

 

[OldMedMan]

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Beautiful Army of Buds....even with a few gangstas in there!

 

[H-factor]

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Using the ozone generator inside a home. I would have to say screw it we all die sooner or later

 

[Doc Bud]

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You just turn it off when you're working in the room.....no big deal. I had one on the boat....a nearly sealed environment. I'd just go below, turn it off and pop open a couple hatches.

I used a Panda back then.

 

[donpaul.p]

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i came across some home made ozone generator a while back, if i remember correct it involved breaking the out glass off a hid light bulb and this then gives off ozone, it might need something else adding to it, im not to sure the details, it was a while back,

 

[Vapedogg223]

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Beautiful Army of Buds....even with a few gangstas in there!

bro! Yeah...they're hangin' on the corner, tryin' to look all tough...

 

[Doc Bud]

Re: Vapedogg223’s Got a Brand New Bag! All Organic - High Brix -Nirvana Ice- 49 Plant

i came across some home made ozone generator a while back, if i remember correct it involved breaking the out glass off a hid light bulb and this then gives off ozone, it might need something else adding to it, im not to sure the details, it was a while back,

The ozone generators are nothing to worry about, provided some common sense is employed.

1.)Run it for a couple days and you'll kill everything. (provided it's a strong generator)
2.)Before going in the room, turn it off and run fans for a few minutes
3.)Run it 2 or 3 days a week and it shouldn't be a problem

When I'd go below after not being on the boat for a couple weeks there would be a "fresh" smell that also burned your eyes. It also ate rubber....slowly, but it ate it.

Hold your breath, turn off the generator, ventilate.....5 minutes later everything is safe and sound. No mildew, no mold, no rot, no bad smells.

 

[Vapedogg223]

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Using the ozone generator inside a home. I would have to say screw it we all die sooner or later

You just turn it off when you're working in the room.....no big deal. I had one on the boat....a nearly sealed environment. I'd just go below, turn it off and pop open a couple hatches.

I used a Panda back then.

I'm sure it would be fine as long as I didn't get one of the large corona discharge units...from my reading, it seems a level dangerous to humans will also damage plants. 0.05 ppm seems to be the number you don't want to exceed, but I'm not sure how to accurately measure that.

To prevent the escape of odor to the other areas of the home, only ultra-violet (UV) ozone lamp generators should be used. A 0.05 ppm level inside the grow room is recommended. UV ozonators (14" bulb length or less in length) produce appropriate levels of O₃. Another benefit to low levels of ozone in the grow room is the small amounts of CO₂ being created by the ozone's oxidization of the organic debris in the air.

Also found this interesting...

Negative Ion Facts

• Approved by the U.S. FDA (Food & Drug Admin.) as an approved allergy treatment.
• Ionization is mandatory in many European and Russian Hospitals.
• In March of 1999, Good Housekeeping Magazine had its engineers test an ionizer by using a smoke test, and found that it cleared out the smoke in a tank.
• A recent study by the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture found that ionizing a room led to 52% less dust in the air, and 95% less bacteria in the air (since many of the pollutants found in the air reside on floating dust particles).

Ozone Levels and their Effects

(ppm = parts per million)

0 ppm - Most indoor environments - windows closed.

.001 ppm - Most indoor environments - windows open.

.003-.01 ppm - Low range at which average person can smell ozone.

.02-.05 ppm - Range in which ozone occurs in healthy outdoor environments. Typical level produced by ozone generators.

.04 ppm - IPS air purifiers (approx.) when operated according to instructions.

.05 ppm - Maximum recommended by ASHRAE in an air conditioned and ventilated space. Also maximum under FDA regulation for ozone.

.1 ppm - Maximum allowed by OSHA in industrial work areas.

.2 ppm - Prolonged exposure of humans in occupational and experimental conditions produced no apparent ill effects.

.3 ppm - Level at which nasal and throat irritation will first appear.

.5 ppm - Extended exposure could cause lung edema. Smog alert 1.

.1 ppm - Smog Alert 2.

The larger in-line units look like they are most commonly used to treat air before it's exhausted from grow rooms. The 15 ft. of duct after the generator recommended in the manual I was reading, gives enough time for the extra oxygen molecules to attach to the offensive substances before they are exhausted...

Sorry...I know I'm getting way off-topic for this grow.

 

[Vapedogg223]

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i came across some home made ozone generator a while back, if i remember correct it involved breaking the out glass off a hid light bulb and this then gives off ozone, it might need something else adding to it, im not to sure the details, it was a while back,

Hmmm...sounds a little dangerous to me...

 

[donpaul.p]

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sounded dangerous to me as well, ill try and find it again, im sure it was something like, diy ozone generator, it involved using a normal ballast, not sure what type of bulb though, then you dont smash the whole bulb you sort of just broke the outer layer, and then this was all that was needed to create the ozone generator, ill try and find it and see how easy it was to make and how safe it was to use

please dont anyone get trying this off the limited info i have provided, i dont know what ballast, i dont know what bulb, i dont even know if it worked or if the bloke who did it is still alive now, ill find out what i can, it was saying how expensive they are to make and how easy it is to make the exact same thing that you buy, not sure how the light bulb makes ozone but ill try and find it and post you the link so you can have a look how safe it is,

 

[donpaul.p]

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here is one
Make a $20 ozone generator.

i got a link for a video as well, seems you can use a neon sign power supply or something, i wont post it unless you want me to cuz its a vid,

another simple ozone gen. it seems you need the power source of a neon sign and some tin foil and some jars by the looks of this, seems very simple, im pretty sure you could use other 12v power supplies, or possibly bigger, im sure their are loads of these guides if you look, just wonder how well they work compared to a full price pretty looking generator
How to Make a Homemade Ozone Generator

sorry had to edit again i found the guide i was on about, it basically says to get a hps bulb and ballast and wrap the bulb in something so you can just break the outer glass of the bulb, you could cover it in tape to make sure you only broke the outer glass, then you place whats left of the bulb in the duct to exhaust the air and this then acts as ozone generator and removes odours, now im not sure cost wise if this is the best method plus it would depend on what wattage the hps was, im thinking you may need a low wattage one to make it worth doing.

here is the guide anyways
This is a little something I gathered from surfing abroad.
Take a cheap mercury vapor light fixture($29 w/bulb),
carefully break outter glass only!!!(they suggest wrapping in old towel etc. it is pressurized use caution mercury gasses)Do not break inner bulb,this is the Ozone generator.Now use the light fixture to power the bulb,rigg this into your exhaust duct(you can use proper size box to enclose light bulb and cut duct holes at each end)
and you have instant odor control....
NOTE: OZONE IS TOXIC/DO NOT LOOK INTO THE LIGHT
(it WILL damage your eyes)

now please dont go out their and all start testing this, if anyone is considering trying any of the methods i have mentioned then please research it all first, none of these methods i have tested, its all stuff i have read in different places, so please dont go putting yourself and family at risk by making one of these without knowing the risks, or even know if these methods will even work, in theory they sound like it could possibly work, but messing with any of the above can cause serious harm and not knowing how much ozone it generates could be a problem in an enclosed space, even looking at the light will cause a lot of harm so its not adviced, in fact id really think hard before trying any of the above unless you have looked into it, you dont want to end up with a room full of ozone or end up burning the whole place down, im not sure how safe these methods are, id say not very, its a risk but if anyone has tried it then id like to know if it works, i dont fancy destroying a bulb and possibly a ballast if it all blows up, im not even sure how affective these methods would be, it only says how to make them and nothing about testing and results


@Vape, how you didnt mind me posting this here mate, i just remembered it when you started talking about ozone, feel free to delete my post if you like mate, i have no problems with that, i just wanted to share what i had read and wondered if anyone had tried or even heard of these methods

 

[donpaul.p]

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this comment below is from the person who made and tested the idea and said it works, he seems to have worked in that type of purification industry so chances are he had some sort of idea what he was talking about, he goes into more detail below,
does this actually sound like it could work,

It doesn't have to be so complicated. While working in the water/air purification industry,I installed many similar air purification units costing several thousand dollars per unit.
If your not handy with things don't attempt this.
Dissassemble the light fixture,Take a 5gl metal bucket mount bulb holder inside the lid,cut 2 holes 1 on each side(centered on bulb area)the same size as your vent duct,secure duct to bucket,wire light to only come on while air is flowing(ozone will depleat oxygen levels exhaust must be running)
The modified bulb is UV,and it will damage eyesight(just dont stare at it).
I have not built this unit,I only understand the principal it is based on.
I'm only spreading information,one good application for this unit would be
for odor control of a large grow room or large drying fan.

 

[MSquared]

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Vape that SOG of yours is looking just stellar
So it looks as though your gansta sides are competing for turf
Keep it up buddy they all look great and much fuller and more dense than last round of pics!

 

[Icemud]

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I saw you got your refractometer..... I can't wait to see how the girls are rating!!! very nice digital unit!!

 

[Vapedogg223]

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Vape that SOG of yours is looking just stellar
So it looks as though your gansta sides are competing for turf
Keep it up buddy they all look great and much fuller and more dense than last round of pics!

They're even holding out their fan leaves sideways!

 

[Vapedogg223]

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I saw you got your refractometer..... I can't wait to see how the girls are rating!!! very nice digital unit!!

Yup! For anyone that didn't see it, here's the pic I posted on the high Brix thread...

Just got this in...

You're supposed to calibrate it every time you change the battery etc...didn't have any distilled water, so I still have to do that. The girls are in their dark period at the moment anyway, so the only thing I've tested was a drop of Earl Grey tea with honey.

I think Icemud recently detailed how he did it...but, I'm wondering if we need to standardize how and/or when Brix readings are taken?

Now, I still didn't have a chance to get any distilled water to calibrate the thing...so I don't really know how accurate it is, but it's probably pretty close...close enough to play around anyway.

I had also asked about when, where and how to test...

Take reading 2 hours before and after a feeding to see the efficacy of the feeding.
Take readings the same time of day to compare brix over time.

But if you hit 20 or above, just smile and roll a fattie.

I was reading that the best time to take a brix reading is mid-day around noon. I can't remember where I read that info, but it has something to do with the way the plant produces sugars. I will try to find the article.

I also was reading that when you take a sample, the best and most accurate way to get a reading is to use the juice from the entire leaf. By just squeezing the leaf without grinding it up, it only will release the "newer" juices, but leave in the other's is the way I understood it. So when I take my readings, I am using pliers...way before I take a sample of the juice, I ball up the leaf and crush it a few times, each time pulling the leaf material out, balling it up and repeating the process. When I get a leaf that looks all chewed up, I know that the sample will have a better accuracy in reading the entire leaf's brix... I got that from a youtube video.

As far as where to sample on the plant... I haven't really found the right answer yet... all I was reading was when pulling samples, to make sure to always take from the same area or type of leaf growth.. to keep the best consistency...

Their next feeding is going to be late tomorrow, but I thought I would try to take a reading just for the heck of it...

Now, I should have taken pics along the way, but I didn't think about it. I'll take some pics when I do the first before/after readings...mid-day for my girls is about 3 AM, but I don't really know the best way to work time of day into my feedings/samples yet. I'm sure my methods will adapt over time anyway.

Finding leaves to test was the first challenge...there's not a whole lot on these plants to start with, and all the larger ones are yellowing quite a bit...I'm sure that's going to effect Brix, just not sure exactly how. I tried to take a few leaves that were still somewhat greenish? My first 2 attempts to extract sap with pliers were fruitless, sorry...pun aside, they were miserable fails! So I went down to the workbench to see what I might be able to use, and came up with this...

It did the trick, but it's a bit large. I think I'll stop by a Harbor Freight or maybe Home dePot to see what they have in the way of small cheap C-clamps that might be a bit more convenient for our purposes.

Anyway, I balled up the leaf, stuck the ball between the jaws of the clamp and cranked it down. Lo and behold...a couple nice drops of sap landed in the test well! More than enough sap from one leaf a couple of inches across for a reading.

That was the good part...the bad part was the reading! It only read a 6... Okay... so what about the buds? The plant is focusing it's energy on flower production right? I figured the reading really couldn't go any lower so why not try a bud? I plucked off one of the small popcorn buds that were growing almost at the soil line on one of the plants on the edge of the SOG.

I didn't have to roll the bud into a ball, I just stuck it in the clamp and cranked it home...it ended up being smaller than it looked, and after cranking the bejesus out of it...and watching as one single drop hung off the edge of the jaw, for what seemed like minutes...it finally dropped into the pan! This time the reading was 11.2. Still not great, but certainly better than 6.

I'm not really sure what all this means yet...can I get my brix up? If so, how? Hopefully I'll have some more interesting data when I calibrate the device and take some readings before/after a feeding.

I'm feeling a bit disappointed, but not really surprised...I was expecting lower readings than I would get with a soil test, in larger pots, etc.

One thing I will add is that I sampled a bud from a lower branch that was accidentally broken off when I fed them last time...it wasn't much of a bud, but it was an accident after all. Anyway, that small immature bud really kicked my butt! I'll post a better account of the experience a bit later...I still want to think about it a bit, but at least I know I have something pretty amazing whether or not I can actually call it high Brix.

Any thoughts? Don't hold back...

 

[DCGrow]

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Sick grow! So i was trying to find if you said how long you veg'd before you went to 12/12? I swore i read it earlier but now i cant find it lol. Thinking of doing SOG my next grow.

 

[Vapedogg223]

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Sick grow! So i was trying to find if you said how long you veg'd before you went to 12/12? I swore i read it earlier but now i cant find it lol. Thinking of doing SOG my next grow.

And thanks for stopping in!

These veg'd for 2 weeks...they were ~9 in. tall when I flipped them. Just remember I use bonsai moms, so my clones are on the small side to start with.