Utopian Submarine - 2000W, Indoor, Perpetual

Wooohooo - yippee! I just found about a half a Z from my last AK47 harvest. Was set aside to cure and I forgot about it. What a treat - tastes and smokes great! Instant headrush. I think this is better than any of the rest I smoked from those plants! Nothing like a good 4 month cure I always say :)
 
First Success With Ice Hash

Wow folks! Boy do I have an update!

I tried this before but failed miserably, so I didn't bother to get pics of the beginning of the process. But, I got pics of the results.

This has got to be my new favorite DIY success story. It goes like this...

Once upon a time I grew some AK-47. I wanted to try the Bubbleator or Ice Bag Hash. I did not have the money, and you know me - I faked it. Instead of a 3 bag ready to go - I spent 135 on 6 different silk screens. Then I tried it. I got doo doo. Nada. They've been sitting in my closet.

Tonight I used a half a brown bag worth of leaf from that last harvest and tried again.

Wholly Shit!

I put them in there with lots of ice. Stirred with a wooden spoon for about 35 minutes. Let them sit for an hour. And came back and started taking out bags.

I removed the one with all the junk in it and set it aside. That was when I ran for the camera!

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Each screen was basically that lovely. Here's the final results in order from Left to Right the biggest micron to the smallest. I can look at the sizes if anyone wants to know.

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And here's each one on the scale, again in order from first screen to last:
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Oh, and this is the type of crappy leaf it came from:
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I don't know if I can recommend my exact screen process cause its messy and prolly not as super efficient as the bags - but fashoweee am I a happy guy right now. It's 3:10 in AM - don't know if I have the oom pah pah to stir again tonight.

Gonna try to wait til tomorrow to test it. Prolly won't make it. Might have to be an evening bed time treat.
 
Looks like you're having a good night! Finds pot, makes hash. Not bad.

I just checked the pH and it's 5.8 in both tubs so I'll just let it be. I would usually put about 8 drops of concentrated sulphuric acid in the sample and pour it back in the tub to knock it down .2 or .3 every three or four days. So I guess I've doing the pH drift thang all along. I always tell newbies to let it wander as long as it stays in range. Some guys obsess about 0.1 change and end up screwing up and killing their plants trying to maintain their ideal pH.

Lots of new stuff to learn all the time eh.

I'd rep you if I could but I can't so I won't. :0)

C'ya.

:peace:
 
LabRat said:
Looks like you're having a good night! Finds pot, makes hash. Not bad.

I just checked the pH and it's 5.8 in both tubs so I'll just let it be. I would usually put about 8 drops of concentrated sulphuric acid in the sample and pour it back in the tub to knock it down .2 or .3 every three or four days. So I guess I've doing the pH drift thang all along. I always tell newbies to let it wander as long as it stays in range. Some guys obsess about 0.1 change and end up screwing up and killing their plants trying to maintain their ideal pH.

Lots of new stuff to learn all the time eh.

I'd rep you if I could but I can't so I won't. :0)

C'ya.

:peace:
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Well someone's got to - so I'll rep you!

Edit: too soon for me too
 
OldMedMan said:
Just cruising along with ya Skipper Like LabRat said, Sounds like a good night for you. We all need them :grinjoint:
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Right On. Its really amazing how much of a roller coaster growing a few plants can be. As you well know. And now my stash is running low and not sure I'll have enough to make it to harvest, so I'm checking all the stash spots. It took me a month or two longer to build this room than I hoped.

I thought the bud I found last nite was better than it is. It tastes fine, and is indeed fairly stoney, but it was only the popcorn buds that I had intended to use for hash. But they're gonna get smoked instead. Desperate times and desperate measures as they say.

I'm waiting on a few friends to come over and sample the hash - I want to make sure there's some of each of the 5 grades to taste for all three of us.
 
Morning Update:

All seems well. The Barney's seedlings just moved to veg look good. It seems the two Barney's strains prefer different strengths of nutes already. That might turn out to be a little tricky if the difference is too great as they get larger. I know I can always find a medium, but you know I like to push the plants.

Down the road I plan to only have one type in a given area at a time, and this will solve all these nute problems, but in the interest of getting the room up to speed with a few varieties quickly - it has indeed made it much trickier.

The good side is that I have gotten to see different types of nute stress of the different plants, and has made my eye much better at spotting the problems when they are a little smaller - and both deficencies and excess. I'm still no expert by a long stretch - that process of training the eye can only come with time and experience. The interesting thing is that by having them inside and on such a short schedule - I have basically seen 4 years worth of seeds and clones from an outdoor schedule - in 8 weeks.
 
Water Hash

I have examined the hash under a microscope - a luxury I did not have when the plant was grown. Its amazing to see the difference in quality from the highest grade and the lowest grade. Its also very clear that I harvested early last time. The trics are only about a third amber, most being milky, and even a few clear ones. No wonder the high is so light. I definitely won't be making that mistake this time.

I've just tasted the second best grade of the hash from last nite as I write this sentence - its is very enjoyable. Not the best I've ever had. Given the plant material, the wait in making it, and the prematurity of its harvest - its a solid result.

I can tell you I'm extremely excited to see what I get the next time. Not only in terms of potency, but it in terms of the additional yield gained from making hash from the throw-away leaves and buds. If this is any indicator - it seems I should be able to get between 8-10% dry leaf to dry hash. That's substantial when thinking about a pound or so of leaves.

Meanwhile - in the time it took to type that last two paragraphs, the high has come on nicely. My head is floating. Now we'll see how long it lasts.
 
HealingKronic said:
nice hash WP! a very good/cheap method is the gumby method. check out "gumby hash" on youtube. its very easy and damn cheap!
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Yubb. I watched that the other day - that was part of what made me get this stuff out of the freezer and go for it again. I don't know where he gets the screen that cheap. Mine is basically a cross between that and bubble bags. Imagine gumby, but use 6 screens and use a 5G bucket. That's me.

Quick update for honesty's sake. The hash from last nite dried to about 1/3 the weight it was when I weighed it. I can't give an exact number because I smoked some.
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I was also able to use the same leaves again for another round. The yield the second time was about 1/3 to 1/4 of the first.

Also, one other update on the smoke - the middle grades are indeed better than the biggest or smallest. The smallest that had me so worried about premature tris was because the premature tris are the only ones that can make it through the smallest screen. One grade above, the tris were nice and amber and the hash is much better.

So I'm into it. I would heartily recommend to anyone to explore the various ways of making water hash. I can't wait for the good stuff.
 
Hey WP! Man a lot going on here brother. Good find on the H/O. Nothing like thinking your out and finding a little something-something to hold you over. Cool hash as well. I will see if I have enough material to try it. I love the hash man, so stony and very tasty to boot! Sounds like your getting relax on just fine. Stay stony.

L8ER
 
Grooster said:
Hey WP! Man a lot going on here brother. Good find on the H/O. Nothing like thinking your out and finding a little something-something to hold you over. Cool hash as well. I will see if I have enough material to try it. I love the hash man, so stony and very tasty to boot! Sounds like your getting relax on just fine. Stay stony.

L8ER
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Right on man. Yeah - Jah seems to be looking over me these days. Can't complain here. As far as trying the hash. You really don't need much. I used the leaf from 3 plants. It has yielded at least 5 gms dried good hash. The only hard part was finding the screens, which I ordered on line. I went for the gusto and got 6 different meshes, and it worked out. If you want to try it - I THINK I would recommend just getting the smallest Bubblebag kit. I can tell you that if you try to order the screens, you will basically end up paying the same as the bags. You can get a little more for your money if you get more screens - the 5 or 6 bag kits are not cheap. But I think the reduced hassle would be worth starting with a 3 or 4 bag system and adding the other bags.

GL

Gonna check on the progress of your girls. I'm sure all will be well.
 
Budding Clones

So I took 14 new clones two days ago. They're doing fine, I'll get pics up later. The interesting part is not the clones - but the fact that most of them are "Budding Clones."

These are clones taken on day 21 of flowering.

For anyone not familiar with this concept or debate - it goes like this:

Those who are proponents claim that not only is there no ill effect from taking a clone well into flowering, but they say its even better. With only a little topping, the resultant plants are far more bushy. I have seen pics on this site and they look like a damn thorn bush - its crazy! Also, by timing it at 21 days, they say the clones should be ready to go into the flowering area as soon as the current ones are gone - thereby providing a continuous harvest without the need for a mother.

Those who are opposed say the plant takes too long to revert to veg, that it is more difficult to root, and that there is hormonal change - that you will lose some potency over generations.

So, of course, I gotta try it.

Gimme any tips or thoughts.
 
Re: Budding Clones

Whiskey Papa said:
So I took 14 new clones two days ago. They're doing fine, I'll get pics up later. The interesting part is not the clones - but the fact that most of them are "Budding Clones."

These are clones taken on day 21 of flowering.

For anyone not familiar with this concept or debate - it goes like this:

Those who are proponents claim that not only is there no ill effect from taking a clone well into flowering, but they say its even better. With only a little topping, the resultant plants are far more bushy. I have seen pics on this site and they look like a damn thorn bush - its crazy! Also, by timing it at 21 days, they say the clones should be ready to go into the flowering area as soon as the current ones are gone - thereby providing a continuous harvest without the need for a mother.

Those who are opposed say the plant takes too long to revert to veg, that it is more difficult to root, and that there is hormonal change - that you will lose some potency over generations.

So, of course, I gotta try it.

Gimme any tips or thoughts.
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This seems like a ideal way for a continual harvest, that way you can use the space you'd use for mothers for veg/flower and if there are no major complications with the rooting/re vegging it should be well worth it.
 
Whiskey Papa said:
Right on man. Yeah - Jah seems to be looking over me these days. Can't complain here. As far as trying the hash. You really don't need much. I used the leaf from 3 plants. It has yielded at least 5 gms dried good hash. The only hard part was finding the screens, which I ordered on line. I went for the gusto and got 6 different meshes, and it worked out. If you want to try it - I THINK I would recommend just getting the smallest Bubblebag kit. I can tell you that if you try to order the screens, you will basically end up paying the same as the bags. You can get a little more for your money if you get more screens - the 5 or 6 bag kits are not cheap. But I think the reduced hassle would be worth starting with a 3 or 4 bag system and adding the other bags.

GL

Gonna check on the progress of your girls. I'm sure all will be well.
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Right on bro, great info as usual. I will definitely be getting the small bag kit. I think its well worth the money as long as I keep growing the bags will keep being useful. I'm so wishing I had a wee bit o the hash!!! I make do with kief from my grinder which is damn good stuff! I get two grades o kief from it and both are nice and tasty. They get a mix of trichs from several different strains that I run through the grinder week by week. Gotta love that!

Whiskey Papa said:
So I took 14 new clones two days ago. They're doing fine, I'll get pics up later. The interesting part is not the clones - but the fact that most of them are "Budding Clones."

These are clones taken on day 21 of flowering.

For anyone not familiar with this concept or debate - it goes like this:

Those who are proponents claim that not only is there no ill effect from taking a clone well into flowering, but they say its even better. With only a little topping, the resultant plants are far more bushy. I have seen pics on this site and they look like a damn thorn bush - its crazy! Also, by timing it at 21 days, they say the clones should be ready to go into the flowering area as soon as the current ones are gone - thereby providing a continuous harvest without the need for a mother.

Those who are opposed say the plant takes too long to revert to veg, that it is more difficult to root, and that there is hormonal change - that you will lose some potency over generations.

So, of course, I gotta try it.

Gimme any tips or thoughts.
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Yes, yes, please guinea pig this for me hehe. I want to try something like this and totally go without mothers. I was curious about the generation after generation thing and I have heard both that its ok and that it is not ok. I haven't looked up real research or anything but it does sound too good to be true IMO. I also wanna look up 'tissue-culture' technique. Looks very cool and also does without the need for a mother. I guess it is a bit difficult to master but well worth the reward. More research and info is needed! Keep the knowledge flowing bro. I learn in the sub almost daily.

L8ER
 
Grooster said:
Right on bro, great info as usual. I will definitely be getting the small bag kit. I think its well worth the money as long as I keep growing the bags will keep being useful. I'm so wishing I had a wee bit o the hash!!! I make do with kief from my grinder which is damn good stuff! I get two grades o kief from it and both are nice and tasty. They get a mix of trichs from several different strains that I run through the grinder week by week. Gotta love that!



Yes, yes, please guinea pig this for me hehe. I want to try something like this and totally go without mothers. I was curious about the generation after generation thing and I have heard both that its ok and that it is not ok. I haven't looked up real research or anything but it does sound too good to be true IMO. I also wanna look up 'tissue-culture' technique. Looks very cool and also does without the need for a mother. I guess it is a bit difficult to master but well worth the reward. More research and info is needed! Keep the knowledge flowing bro. I learn in the sub almost daily.

L8ER
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From what i've been told there will be no downgrate for atleast 10 generations, talked to someone that did that and was on his 10th gen clone of a clone and still no ill effects
 
Stakkur said:
From what i've been told there will be no downgrate for atleast 10 generations, talked to someone that did that and was on his 10th gen clone of a clone and still no ill effects
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Awesome - that's helpful to know. It seems there are lots of folks doing it with success - and their reaction is why doesn't everyone do this. Its like someone started a bad tradition a long time ago and it caught on. So we'll see I guess.
 
Grooster said:
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Yes, yes, please guinea pig this for me hehe. I want to try something like this and totally go without mothers. I was curious about the generation after generation thing and I have heard both that its ok and that it is not ok. I haven't looked up real research or anything but it does sound too good to be true IMO. I also wanna look up 'tissue-culture' technique. Looks very cool and also does without the need for a mother. I guess it is a bit difficult to master but well worth the reward. More research and info is needed! Keep the knowledge flowing bro. I learn in the sub almost daily.

L8ER
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I read about another interesting technique while doing research - not sure if this is what you mean by tissue culture. They scrape away some outer stem from a branch. Then spread rooting gel or hormone on the wound. Then , in a plastic bag, a little bit of water (your standard clone mix it says) and dirt - and wrap the plastic bag with dirt around the stem, making sure to completely cover the wound. Then wait til you see roots in the dirt, and just cut the branch below the plastic, and plant it!
 
I saw a tissue culture kit for like 250$ The site looked kinda crappy but I saw the same company in a couple grow mags... It seems cool but to expensive for my blood at this point.
 
Grooster said:
Right on bro, great info as usual. I will definitely be getting the small bag kit. I think its well worth the money as long as I keep growing the bags will keep being useful. I'm so wishing I had a wee bit o the hash!!! I make do with kief from my grinder which is damn good stuff! I get two grades o kief from it and both are nice and tasty. They get a mix of trichs from several different strains that I run through the grinder week by week. Gotta love that!

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L8ER
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I just smoked some hash, and it made me forget something interesting I wanted to pass on. I was doing the kief the wrong way for twenty years. It was not til I started investigating hash, that I realized that screening the kief is only the first part of the process. In order to really release the THC from the tris they need to be pressed. If you are just smoking it - you are releasing the THC quickly and inefficiently. If you press it first - the pressure forces the THC to change at the molecular level. Its then ready to be smoked much more evenly and potently. Its like curing bud.

The first time I tried it - I was amazed. After pressing the kief - the whole aroma changed to that of hash, and it was a completely different smoke - far better!

Along those lines - there are some DIY threads that talk about using the $50 clay extrusion press for this process - DO NOT!! I have tried both and they are a joke. For $15-$30 more you can get a half ton or even 2 ton bench press. I am going to get one before I make more. I will not piss away any more money on the little jobbadoos.
 
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