TheRoach's First - Soil - Aurora Indica - Organic Grow - 600W

Digin on your waking life reference roach. Has been one of my favorite movies for ten or fifteen years.

I think the odd clone growth is fine. It looks very healthy. Nice look to all the ladies in general. Props.
 
I have decided trying a soil mix following the recipe below, the base mix is very close to what I use. I would need to buy or source most of the amendments besides that.

Here is the Mix as written by ClackamasCoots:

Equal parts of Sphagnum peat moss, some aeration deal (pumice, rice hulls, lava rock - whatever is sitting in the garage) and finally some mix of humus - my compost, worm castings some black leaf mold I bought from the local 'worm guy'


To each 1 c.f. of this mix I add the following:
1/2 cup organic Neem meal
1/2 cup organic Kelp meal
1/2 cup Crab meal (or Crustacean meal when available - it has Shrimp meal with the Crab meal. It's a local product from the fisheries on the Oregon & Washington Coasts)
4 cups of some minerals - rock dust

After the plant is in the final container I top-dress with my worm castings at 2" or so and then I hit it with Aloe vera juice and Comfrey extract. Or Borage. Or Stinging Nettle. Or Horsetail ferns. Whatever is ready.

That's it.
Equal parts of Sphagnum peat moss, some aeration deal (pumice, rice hulls, lava rock - whatever is sitting in the garage) and finally some mix of humus - my compost, worm castings some black leaf mold I bought from the local 'worm guy'


To each 1 c.f. of this mix I add the following:
1/2 cup organic Neem meal
1/2 cup organic Kelp meal
1/2 cup Crab meal (or Crustacean meal when available - it has Shrimp meal with the Crab meal. It's a local product from the fisheries on the Oregon & Washington Coasts)
4 cups of some minerals - rock dust

After the plant is in the final container I top-dress with my worm castings at 2" or so and then I hit it with Aloe vera juice and Comfrey extract. Or Borage. Or Stinging Nettle. Or Horsetail ferns. Whatever is ready.

That's it.

I was checking with the guys at the organic soil forums and it seems I should be able to use shrimp shell meal in lieu of the crustacean meal, so at least that is one thing I can source locally. I also have access to Aloe vera and wanted to add it to my garden anyway.
As of now, building this soil mix is my main priority. I will do some research, I want to use to original recipe of the mix, but will try to buy things local as much as possible.
Thanks to ClosedCircuit for the information regarding the mix.
 
TheRoach said:
I have decided trying a soil mix following the recipe below, the base mix is very close to what I use. I would need to buy or source most of the amendments besides that.

Here is the Mix as written by ClackamasCoots:

Equal parts of Sphagnum peat moss, some aeration deal (pumice, rice hulls, lava rock - whatever is sitting in the garage) and finally some mix of humus - my compost, worm castings some black leaf mold I bought from the local 'worm guy'


To each 1 c.f. of this mix I add the following:
1/2 cup organic Neem meal
1/2 cup organic Kelp meal
1/2 cup Crab meal (or Crustacean meal when available - it has Shrimp meal with the Crab meal. It's a local product from the fisheries on the Oregon & Washington Coasts)
4 cups of some minerals - rock dust

After the plant is in the final container I top-dress with my worm castings at 2" or so and then I hit it with Aloe vera juice and Comfrey extract. Or Borage. Or Stinging Nettle. Or Horsetail ferns. Whatever is ready.

That's it.
Equal parts of Sphagnum peat moss, some aeration deal (pumice, rice hulls, lava rock - whatever is sitting in the garage) and finally some mix of humus - my compost, worm castings some black leaf mold I bought from the local 'worm guy'


To each 1 c.f. of this mix I add the following:
1/2 cup organic Neem meal
1/2 cup organic Kelp meal
1/2 cup Crab meal (or Crustacean meal when available - it has Shrimp meal with the Crab meal. It's a local product from the fisheries on the Oregon & Washington Coasts)
4 cups of some minerals - rock dust

After the plant is in the final container I top-dress with my worm castings at 2" or so and then I hit it with Aloe vera juice and Comfrey extract. Or Borage. Or Stinging Nettle. Or Horsetail ferns. Whatever is ready.

That's it.

I was checking with the guys at the organic soil forums and it seems I should be able to use shrimp shell meal in lieu of the crustacean meal, so at least that is one thing I can source locally. I also have access to Aloe vera and wanted to add it to my garden anyway.
As of now, building this soil mix is my main priority. I will do some research, I want to use to original recipe of the mix, but will try to buy things local as much as possible.
Thanks to ClosedCircuit for the information regarding the mix.
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When looking for a replacement for crabmeal, look for something with chitin. It is a natural compound that arthropods in the soil use to make their exoskeletons! I can't remember off the top of my head if shrimp meal is high in chitin or not...but anyways, its something for you to check out.
 
I hope you have success with your clones!
But if you don't, do not despair over it. Cloning was such a challenge for me before! I guess one has to find the method that works the best in ones circumstances. Good luck!
 
ClosedCircuit said:
When looking for a replacement for crabmeal, look for something with chitin. It is a natural compound that arthropods in the soil use to make their exoskeletons! I can't remember off the top of my head if shrimp meal is high in chitin or not...but anyways, its something for you to check out.
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Thank you I have decided buy the nutrient kit from build a soil and see how it works!
 
Hi Roach! I just wanted to point out that you forgot half the recipe! The rock dust recipe! Without the minerals from the rock dust, an LOS is left in a sorry condition to be no-tilled. The Oyster Shell Flour is particularly important as a natural pH buffer and important calcium/trace mineral source, and Glacial and basalt rock dust will abundantly mineralize the LOS (and the basalt raises paramagnestism, all volcanic rock/soil is paramagnetic and particularly fertile for plants). Most soils nowadays are poorly lacking in minerals after all the obnoxious ways that we go about industrial agriculture, the minerals from the rock dusts will be broken down very slowly for a long time (ideal for an LOS no till).

Here's the full CC LOS recipe:

Clackamas Coot soil mix:

"Equal parts of Sphagnum peat moss, some aeration deal (pumice, rice hulls, lava rock - whatever is sitting in the garage) and finally some mix of humus - my compost, worm castings some black leaf mold I bought from the local 'worm guy'
To each 1 c.f. of this mix I add the following:
1/2 cup organic Neem meal
1/2 cup organic Kelp meal
1/2 cup Crab meal (or Crustacean meal when available - it has Shrimp meal with the Crab meal. It's a local product from the fisheries on the Oregon & Washington Coasts)
4 cups of some minerals - rock dust

After the plant is in the final container I top-dress with my worm castings at 2" or so and then I hit it with Aloe vera juice and Comfrey extract. Or Borage. Or Stinging Nettle. Or Horsetail ferns. Whatever is ready.


The Rock Dust Recipe
4x - Glacial Rock Dust - Canadian Glacial (Gaia Green label)
1x - Bentonite - from the pottery supply store
1x - Oyster Shell Powder - the standard product from San Francisco Bay
1x - Basalt - from Redmond, Oregon (new product at Concentrates - about $18.00) ."


I believe that this recipe allows for some substitutions and that the biggest thing is to stick to the 1/3 SPM, 1/3 aeration, 1/3 humus and the amendments at the specified ratios. I have seen people (including myself) vary the actually "rock dusts" but don't if you can help it, and certainly don't omit the oyster shell flour in place of something else.

Living organic soil is very rewarding to grow in, give it a try, no one has ever looked back after going this route.
 
Hi SoilGirl! thank you very much for stopping by my thread with such helpful advice.
I didnt copy the full recipe indeed, thanks for the heads up!
I really want to grow fully organic cannabis but most of the amendments I need are not available in my area. I have decided to buy the CC nutrient mix from buildAsoil.com because I will be able to have an organic grow, but it will cost me more and the amendments will have to be shipped to me from overseas... I would love to be able to replace these things with local stuff!
Thank you again for the detailed explanation. Reps+
 
those clones in the propagator look excellent! I've never seen anything like it before. the mothers look happy too! your lengthy discussion with closedcircuit reminded me of some kind of nutrient alchemy and the worms did all the sorcery, intriguing but maybe especially more for soil growers. Well done TheRoach :bravo:
 
TheRoach said:
Hi SoilGirl! thank you very much for stopping by my thread with such helpful advice.
I didnt copy the full recipe indeed, thanks for the heads up!
I really want to grow fully organic cannabis but most of the amendments I need are not available in my area. I have decided to buy the CC nutrient mix from buildAsoil.com because I will be able to have an organic grow, but it will cost me more and the amendments will have to be shipped to me from overseas... I would love to be able to replace these things with local stuff!
Thank you again for the detailed explanation. Reps+
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So you're looking at this? Nutrient Kit For Sphagnum Peat Moss Base - ClackamasCoots Style - BuildASoil - If so I think that will do excellent. But it may be worth getting a bit of the gaia glacial rock dust along with it. Not that you'll grow terrible buds without it obviously haha it's just a big part of CC's rock dust mix. You could substitute azomite or excellerite or all sorts of other kinds of rock dusts too. I'm happy you're going to give LOS a shot, and am sure you'll love it. :) I like your style. Wish all growers/farmers cared more about organics.. worm farming, composting, sourcing local/renewable/non-harmful to the planet amendments.

Wish I could help more with the local sourcing. I'm from the USA so I've got it easy haha. My advice is just get out there and try to find people to talk to, the organic movement is all over now, my friend (and lovely moderator here) from Greece happened to meet a local organics guru who majored in LOS studies in college, in the least likely of places, and that turned his LOS dreams into a reality when previously he could hardly source any organic fertilizers at all. Wherever you are there's gonna be people who compost or keep worm farms or leaf mold, etc, and you can start to make your own web of connections, hopefully in time you'll end up with all kinds of sources. Wish you the best! :)
 
After a lot of consideration I have decided to source all the amendments for my mix locally.
I had already decided to buy the Build a soil Clackamas coot nutrient mix, but checking with my local courier made me change my mind; I wanted to buy a large box of CC mix plus a small box of glacial rock dust for a total of $65.00, but after taxes and courier fees I would end up paying over $200.00; I hadn't taken in consideration how heavy the kit is! (over 30 lbs)
I have switched to plan B: Making a soil mix as close as possible to the original recipe.
-The base mix I´m using is close enough to the CC mix, I just need to adjust the ratios to 1/3 worm casts, 1/3 aeration (rice hulls) 1/3 peat moss. Im currently using 50% peat moss, 30% worm castings, 20% rice hulls

-CCs calls for crustacean meal; I will use shrimp shell meal, sourced locally from the fish market.

-Kelp meal is not available in my area; I will substitute it with an 100% organic fertilizer made of kelp, soy paste and bone meal. It is pelletized and rated with a NPK of 2-2-2, so I will be careful with its application; kelp meal has a lower NPK ration, but many trace elements. This amendment is sold by a small local company.

-Neem cake is much harder to replace, as no other amendment can match the unique combination of properties it has (pesticide, soil conditioner etc). I will use alfalfa pellets instead; it is not the same, but the alfalfa will provide enough organic Nitrogen to the mix. The alfalfa pellets are sold locally as rabbit feed. The shop that sells them belongs to a friend, and is less than a block from my house. They are very cheap too, and are sold by weight. I know they will not replace the neem cake, but until I find a better alternative they will suffice. I hope.

What I´m having a hard time figuring out is how to replace the glacial rock dust, and the rock dust recipe in general. I will research more into this matter.
The company that sells the kelp based fertilizer sell a complete line of organic amendments, including one based in chitin! I will have to get more information from them.
Thank you for watching!
 
TheRoach said:
After a lot of consideration I have decided to source all the amendments for my mix locally.

What I´m having a hard time figuring out is how to replace the glacial rock dust, and the rock dust recipe in general. I will research more into this matter.
The company that sells the kelp based fertilizer sell a complete line of organic amendments, including one based in chitin! I will have to get more information from them.
Thank you for watching!
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I have been thinking about this rock dust also.

I have not done this but I was considering collecting some creek bed/stream sediment. If there are any streams/creeks or rivers you could probably collect, dry and even cook the sediment to sterilize it.

After nearly 25 years evaluating and working with rock dusts from all over North America we feel the best rock dusts for soil remineralization are volcanic geologic materials such as the Basalts and Metamorphic and Sedimentary types
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:scratchinghead: maybe?
 
I just found my source for rock dust. There is a quarry & rock processing company in my city. They make cement and mortars, as well as selling many grades of stone for building. Rock dust is a by product. If everything goes well I may be able to get it for very cheap or even free.
 
Hell yeah free doesn't sound bad at all. have you tried hydro? Its doing really well for me so far compared to soil grows ive done before. Yeah its more maintenance, but the way i see it is is the more love you give your plant the more she will give to you come harvest. :thumb:
 
matticusss said:
Hell yeah free doesn't sound bad at all. have you tried hydro? Its doing really well for me so far compared to soil grows ive done before. Yeah its more maintenance, but the way i see it is is the more love you give your plant the more she will give to you come harvest. :thumb:
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Thank you for stopping by and commenting Matticus!
Yes I have grown hydro but right now it is not the best option for me, I have had some big harvests with hydro; is just that right now the hydro option is not feasible for me.
 
The thing that makes soil great for many growers is the lack of tediousness that could interfere with a hectic lifestyle. I only live in this mortal body once so I want to juggle as many things as possible! Even the guerilla growers are using hydro and LEDs now, there is a mountain in Colombia that is illuminated at night from all the drug mafia grows.
 
haha, we are only one country apart Vlad and things are so different! Colombia is badass man, Ive seen documentaries about the guerrillas growing cannabis in the mountains. Plenty of pro growers hiding in the mountain, the war on drugs, the Arpia and Rapaz helicopters making passes over the camps. It all looks like an action movie!
And here?
The pot they grow in the mountains suck, there are not many growers and we dont even have an army.
You can come and visit if you have the chance, we can smoke a few fat joints and drink some guaro!
 
LOL! hot water = the aguardiente.

Very nice man. No body can knock south america. They let people consume their "personal dose" at home and the police can't bother about it. And the land is cheap and the climate is A+. The women, beautiful, know how to cook and are faithful to their man through "the fear of God". I didn't live with my eyes open until I came here.

Vlad
 
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