The Sauga Ends Here

Hey everybody!
Here's the pics of the new photos dropped.





When I was taking the group solo cup shot I knocked over the Meringue #1 and had to search for the seed. Finally found it and got her back in. She had the smallest tap so it may have been worse if it were one of the others. Hopefully she makes an appearance.

:Rasta:
Hey Mr.S! Looking forward to your new babies looks like a couple of nice strains. I like the look of the wedding cake cross and with it being crossed with a cookies strain it's a win win.
 
Looking good all round and thankfully my personality has always kept people at a distance. Still loving the pace and family life together here. screw the cash and all the global agendas. We are all so reconnected and with no leaving the home too , it is better than the school holidays. Kids education being done from home is working really well too. Will be difficult to let this all go to return to the norm. Be safe mate
True enough, but what I won't miss is the lineups to get in the grocery store when it's cold and rainy out. I turned around and decided it's better to eat dog food as the lineups are much shorter.
Mornin MrS. Hope all is well in your world. This social distancing thing has been fantastic! Never been so productive in the garden
Yes that it has Chef. A silver lining!
Hey Mr.S! Looking forward to your new babies looks like a couple of nice strains. I like the look of the wedding cake cross and with it being crossed with a cookies strain it's a win win.
It does sound delish and I am looking forward to it. Have a great weekend N4!
 
Hey everybody...
I've put together the following post based loosely around the use of Megacrop, although it can be applied generally to all fertilizers.

Lately I've come across a few grows where the grower has had an issue with their plants. Typically I find out first what type of media they are growing in. If it's not a hydro or passive hydro setup I don't worry about what the pH of their media is unless it's a product I'm not familiar with. I have to assume their water quality is fine and the correct buffering agents are in the media being used.
In a case where a plant is showing signs of a Ca def I would check how much the plant was being fed and compare that to the plants requrements for that stage of growth. Again, this is assuming we are using Megacrop. If the amount fed was below the recommended amount the simple solution would be to increase the dosage of MC. More MC gives more Ca eliminating the Ca def.

But what if you are at the high end of the calculator and are still having a Ca def? What is happening and what needs to be done? Most likely the pH in your media has been altered to the point that nutrient uptake becomes ineffective. Most of us understand that the pH of a nutrient solution does not effect the pH of the media. The akalinity of the water does and the higher the akalinity the faster the pH rises in the media. In most cases the pH of the media will increase over time.
So let's assume that most growers have a good water supply and their akalinity is considered normal. What other factor(s) can cause the pH to change in the media?

The most common factor would be the basicity or acidity of the fertilizer in use. The effect that a fertilizer has on media pH is dependent on the reactions that take place after the fertilizer has been applied to the crop. This reaction is determined by the nutrients (especially nitrogen) contained in the fertilizer, rather than the pH of the fertilizer solution that you can measure with a pH meter. The potential acidity or basicity should be interpreted as a general tendency of the fertilizer to raise or lower the media pH over time.

The two main types of nitrogen used in water-soluble fertilizers are ammoniacal nitrogen (NH4-N) and nitrate-nitrogen (NO3-N). Urea is another form of Nitrogen and is easily converted into ammonium in the substrate and therefore can be thought of as another source of acidic nitrogen, or NH4-N.
Ammoniacal nitrogen is acidic. When ammoniacal nitrogen is taken up by roots, the plant can secrete an acidic H+(charged hydrogen ion) into the soil solution. The more H+ contained in the root media, the lower the media pH.
In contrast, uptake of nitrate nitrogen increases substrate-pH because basic OH-(hydroxide ion) or HCO3-(bicarbonate ion) are secreted by plant roots into the root media. Since OH- and HCO3- are bases, nitrate uptake therefore can cause the media pH to increase.

Megacrop has a high N content at 9%. Using their calculator we know that 6g/gal is their max recommended dose. Using their elemental calculator it gives us the following types of N shown in PPM:
NO3 = 143
NH4 = 11

Knowing that, we can assume over time that the pH will rise in the media. If the pH rises too high we now cut off the nutrients being supplied to the plant, which causes the defs we see such as Ca late into a grow.
By not feeding extreme amounts of Megacrop you can limit the pH drift over time. If your water is at the high end of normal for akalinity then the drift is harder to slow down.

So what's the bottom line? if you are unsure of what the problem is then do a slurry test on your media. There's a link in this post that will show you how.

If you constantly find the pH is rising in the media then it's most likely related to your water and switching to a nutrient that has a higher acidity(more NH4) could be the solution to all your troubles.

:Rasta:
 
Hey everybody...
I've put together the following post based loosely around the use of Megacrop, although it can be applied generally to all fertilizers.

Lately I've come across a few grows where the grower has had an issue with their plants. Typically I find out first what type of media they are growing in. If it's not a hydro or passive hydro setup I don't worry about what the pH of their media is unless it's a product I'm not familiar with. I have to assume their water quality is fine and the correct buffering agents are in the media being used.
In a case where a plant is showing signs of a Ca def I would check how much the plant was being fed and compare that to the plants requrements for that stage of growth. Again, this is assuming we are using Megacrop. If the amount fed was below the recommended amount the simple solution would be to increase the dosage of MC. More MC gives more Ca eliminating the Ca def.

But what if you are at the high end of the calculator and are still having a Ca def? What is happening and what needs to be done? Most likely the pH in your media has been altered to the point that nutrient uptake becomes ineffective. Most of us understand that the pH of a nutrient solution does not effect the pH of the media. The akalinity of the water does and the higher the akalinity the faster the pH rises in the media. In most cases the pH of the media will increase over time.
So let's assume that most growers have a good water supply and their akalinity is considered normal. What other factor(s) can cause the pH to change in the media?

The most common factor would be the basicity or acidity of the fertilizer in use. The effect that a fertilizer has on media pH is dependent on the reactions that take place after the fertilizer has been applied to the crop. This reaction is determined by the nutrients (especially nitrogen) contained in the fertilizer, rather than the pH of the fertilizer solution that you can measure with a pH meter. The potential acidity or basicity should be interpreted as a general tendency of the fertilizer to raise or lower the media pH over time.

The two main types of nitrogen used in water-soluble fertilizers are ammoniacal nitrogen (NH4-N) and nitrate-nitrogen (NO3-N). Urea is another form of Nitrogen and is easily converted into ammonium in the substrate and therefore can be thought of as another source of acidic nitrogen, or NH4-N.
Ammoniacal nitrogen is acidic. When ammoniacal nitrogen is taken up by roots, the plant can secrete an acidic H+(charged hydrogen ion) into the soil solution. The more H+ contained in the root media, the lower the media pH.
In contrast, uptake of nitrate nitrogen increases substrate-pH because basic OH-(hydroxide ion) or HCO3-(bicarbonate ion) are secreted by plant roots into the root media. Since OH- and HCO3- are bases, nitrate uptake therefore can cause the media pH to increase.

Megacrop has a high N content at 9%. Using their calculator we know that 6g/gal is their max recommended dose. Using their elemental calculator it gives us the following types of N shown in PPM:
NO3 = 143
NH4 = 11

Knowing that, we can assume over time that the pH will rise in the media. If the pH rises too high we now cut off the nutrients being supplied to the plant, which causes the defs we see such as Ca late into a grow.
By not feeding extreme amounts of Megacrop you can limit the pH drift over time. If your water is at the high end of normal for akalinity then the drift is harder to slow down.

There are ways to reduce the pH and none that I am familair with. Here's an article on just that for those who would like to know.

So what's the bottom line? if you are unsure of what the problem is then do a slurry test on your media. There's a link in this post that will show you how.

If you constantly find the pH is rising in the media then it's most likely related to your water and switching to a nutrient that has a higher acidity(more NH4) could be the solution to all your troubles.

:Rasta:
This was my issue on my first journal, my blue dream had severe ca deficiency almost it's entire flowering life. It grew nice buds regardless. If it happens again I have a plan. Just keep increasing MC. But that doesn't solve why it's happening, and your post has a lot of good info. If I run into this issue on current grow(I'm almost to the point now where I started seeing the cal defenciency before) I'll for sure do a slurry test. On my first journal I also STARTED using MC AFTER I saw the deficiency, starting in all the plants most prominent in the blue dream, which ultimately made it to harvest but had severe ca deficiency. Mr S I'm sure you remember you were the one who saved my plants by teaching me the ways of mc that grow. So we'll see if I start seeing the issues I'm sure I'll tag you. Thanks for posting this id really like to avoid that nasty cal defenciency burn.

Edit: matter of fact I'll do a slurry test today when they wake up.
 
Mr S I'm sure you remember you were the one who saved my plants by teaching me the ways of mc that grow. So we'll see if I start seeing the issues I'm sure I'll tag you. Thanks for posting this id really like to avoid that nasty cal defenciency burn.

Edit: matter of fact I'll do a slurry test today when they wake up.
Sounds like a good plan Havoc. If anything it gives you some experience on how we do the slurry tests. It's good to have that knowledge under your belt.
 
:nomo::volcano-smiley:
 
Gday Sauga! Hope all is well!
Living the dream brother. Lineups to get food and nobody wants to get within 6' of me. It's funny(not really) watching how awkward it is for everyone when they can't maintain a distance.
This really sucks and it's only going to get worse.
Stay well Dutch. :love:
 
Hey everybody...
I've put together the following post based loosely around the use of Megacrop, although it can be applied generally to all fertilizers.

Lately I've come across a few grows where the grower has had an issue with their plants. Typically I find out first what type of media they are growing in. If it's not a hydro or passive hydro setup I don't worry about what the pH of their media is unless it's a product I'm not familiar with. I have to assume their water quality is fine and the correct buffering agents are in the media being used.
In a case where a plant is showing signs of a Ca def I would check how much the plant was being fed and compare that to the plants requrements for that stage of growth. Again, this is assuming we are using Megacrop. If the amount fed was below the recommended amount the simple solution would be to increase the dosage of MC. More MC gives more Ca eliminating the Ca def.

But what if you are at the high end of the calculator and are still having a Ca def? What is happening and what needs to be done? Most likely the pH in your media has been altered to the point that nutrient uptake becomes ineffective. Most of us understand that the pH of a nutrient solution does not effect the pH of the media. The akalinity of the water does and the higher the akalinity the faster the pH rises in the media. In most cases the pH of the media will increase over time.
So let's assume that most growers have a good water supply and their akalinity is considered normal. What other factor(s) can cause the pH to change in the media?

The most common factor would be the basicity or acidity of the fertilizer in use. The effect that a fertilizer has on media pH is dependent on the reactions that take place after the fertilizer has been applied to the crop. This reaction is determined by the nutrients (especially nitrogen) contained in the fertilizer, rather than the pH of the fertilizer solution that you can measure with a pH meter. The potential acidity or basicity should be interpreted as a general tendency of the fertilizer to raise or lower the media pH over time.

The two main types of nitrogen used in water-soluble fertilizers are ammoniacal nitrogen (NH4-N) and nitrate-nitrogen (NO3-N). Urea is another form of Nitrogen and is easily converted into ammonium in the substrate and therefore can be thought of as another source of acidic nitrogen, or NH4-N.
Ammoniacal nitrogen is acidic. When ammoniacal nitrogen is taken up by roots, the plant can secrete an acidic H+(charged hydrogen ion) into the soil solution. The more H+ contained in the root media, the lower the media pH.
In contrast, uptake of nitrate nitrogen increases substrate-pH because basic OH-(hydroxide ion) or HCO3-(bicarbonate ion) are secreted by plant roots into the root media. Since OH- and HCO3- are bases, nitrate uptake therefore can cause the media pH to increase.

Megacrop has a high N content at 9%. Using their calculator we know that 6g/gal is their max recommended dose. Using their elemental calculator it gives us the following types of N shown in PPM:
NO3 = 143
NH4 = 11

Knowing that, we can assume over time that the pH will rise in the media. If the pH rises too high we now cut off the nutrients being supplied to the plant, which causes the defs we see such as Ca late into a grow.
By not feeding extreme amounts of Megacrop you can limit the pH drift over time. If your water is at the high end of normal for akalinity then the drift is harder to slow down.

There are ways to reduce the pH and none that I am familair with. Here's an article on just that for those who would like to know.

So what's the bottom line? if you are unsure of what the problem is then do a slurry test on your media. There's a link in this post that will show you how.

If you constantly find the pH is rising in the media then it's most likely related to your water and switching to a nutrient that has a higher acidity(more NH4) could be the solution to all your troubles.

:Rasta:
So informative as usual. Thank you!
 
Hey everybody...
I've put together the following post based loosely around the use of Megacrop, although it can be applied generally to all fertilizers.

Lately I've come across a few grows where the grower has had an issue with their plants. Typically I find out first what type of media they are growing in. If it's not a hydro or passive hydro setup I don't worry about what the pH of their media is unless it's a product I'm not familiar with. I have to assume their water quality is fine and the correct buffering agents are in the media being used.
In a case where a plant is showing signs of a Ca def I would check how much the plant was being fed and compare that to the plants requrements for that stage of growth. Again, this is assuming we are using Megacrop. If the amount fed was below the recommended amount the simple solution would be to increase the dosage of MC. More MC gives more Ca eliminating the Ca def.

But what if you are at the high end of the calculator and are still having a Ca def? What is happening and what needs to be done? Most likely the pH in your media has been altered to the point that nutrient uptake becomes ineffective. Most of us understand that the pH of a nutrient solution does not effect the pH of the media. The akalinity of the water does and the higher the akalinity the faster the pH rises in the media. In most cases the pH of the media will increase over time.
So let's assume that most growers have a good water supply and their akalinity is considered normal. What other factor(s) can cause the pH to change in the media?

The most common factor would be the basicity or acidity of the fertilizer in use. The effect that a fertilizer has on media pH is dependent on the reactions that take place after the fertilizer has been applied to the crop. This reaction is determined by the nutrients (especially nitrogen) contained in the fertilizer, rather than the pH of the fertilizer solution that you can measure with a pH meter. The potential acidity or basicity should be interpreted as a general tendency of the fertilizer to raise or lower the media pH over time.

The two main types of nitrogen used in water-soluble fertilizers are ammoniacal nitrogen (NH4-N) and nitrate-nitrogen (NO3-N). Urea is another form of Nitrogen and is easily converted into ammonium in the substrate and therefore can be thought of as another source of acidic nitrogen, or NH4-N.
Ammoniacal nitrogen is acidic. When ammoniacal nitrogen is taken up by roots, the plant can secrete an acidic H+(charged hydrogen ion) into the soil solution. The more H+ contained in the root media, the lower the media pH.
In contrast, uptake of nitrate nitrogen increases substrate-pH because basic OH-(hydroxide ion) or HCO3-(bicarbonate ion) are secreted by plant roots into the root media. Since OH- and HCO3- are bases, nitrate uptake therefore can cause the media pH to increase.

Megacrop has a high N content at 9%. Using their calculator we know that 6g/gal is their max recommended dose. Using their elemental calculator it gives us the following types of N shown in PPM:
NO3 = 143
NH4 = 11

Knowing that, we can assume over time that the pH will rise in the media. If the pH rises too high we now cut off the nutrients being supplied to the plant, which causes the defs we see such as Ca late into a grow.
By not feeding extreme amounts of Megacrop you can limit the pH drift over time. If your water is at the high end of normal for akalinity then the drift is harder to slow down.

There are ways to reduce the pH and none that I am familair with. Here's an article on just that for those who would like to know.

So what's the bottom line? if you are unsure of what the problem is then do a slurry test on your media. There's a link in this post that will show you how.

If you constantly find the pH is rising in the media then it's most likely related to your water and switching to a nutrient that has a higher acidity(more NH4) could be the solution to all your troubles.

:Rasta:

In the words of Mr.Trump - tremendous post. This post is the most tremendous post your going to find anywhere. This post is more tremendous than any other post the previous administration has ever posted.
 
Hey everybody...
I've put together the following post based loosely around the use of Megacrop, although it can be applied generally to all fertilizers.

Lately I've come across a few grows where the grower has had an issue with their plants. Typically I find out first what type of media they are growing in. If it's not a hydro or passive hydro setup I don't worry about what the pH of their media is unless it's a product I'm not familiar with. I have to assume their water quality is fine and the correct buffering agents are in the media being used.
In a case where a plant is showing signs of a Ca def I would check how much the plant was being fed and compare that to the plants requrements for that stage of growth. Again, this is assuming we are using Megacrop. If the amount fed was below the recommended amount the simple solution would be to increase the dosage of MC. More MC gives more Ca eliminating the Ca def.

But what if you are at the high end of the calculator and are still having a Ca def? What is happening and what needs to be done? Most likely the pH in your media has been altered to the point that nutrient uptake becomes ineffective. Most of us understand that the pH of a nutrient solution does not effect the pH of the media. The akalinity of the water does and the higher the akalinity the faster the pH rises in the media. In most cases the pH of the media will increase over time.
So let's assume that most growers have a good water supply and their akalinity is considered normal. What other factor(s) can cause the pH to change in the media?

The most common factor would be the basicity or acidity of the fertilizer in use. The effect that a fertilizer has on media pH is dependent on the reactions that take place after the fertilizer has been applied to the crop. This reaction is determined by the nutrients (especially nitrogen) contained in the fertilizer, rather than the pH of the fertilizer solution that you can measure with a pH meter. The potential acidity or basicity should be interpreted as a general tendency of the fertilizer to raise or lower the media pH over time.

The two main types of nitrogen used in water-soluble fertilizers are ammoniacal nitrogen (NH4-N) and nitrate-nitrogen (NO3-N). Urea is another form of Nitrogen and is easily converted into ammonium in the substrate and therefore can be thought of as another source of acidic nitrogen, or NH4-N.
Ammoniacal nitrogen is acidic. When ammoniacal nitrogen is taken up by roots, the plant can secrete an acidic H+(charged hydrogen ion) into the soil solution. The more H+ contained in the root media, the lower the media pH.
In contrast, uptake of nitrate nitrogen increases substrate-pH because basic OH-(hydroxide ion) or HCO3-(bicarbonate ion) are secreted by plant roots into the root media. Since OH- and HCO3- are bases, nitrate uptake therefore can cause the media pH to increase.

Megacrop has a high N content at 9%. Using their calculator we know that 6g/gal is their max recommended dose. Using their elemental calculator it gives us the following types of N shown in PPM:
NO3 = 143
NH4 = 11

Knowing that, we can assume over time that the pH will rise in the media. If the pH rises too high we now cut off the nutrients being supplied to the plant, which causes the defs we see such as Ca late into a grow.
By not feeding extreme amounts of Megacrop you can limit the pH drift over time. If your water is at the high end of normal for akalinity then the drift is harder to slow down.

There are ways to reduce the pH and none that I am familair with. Here's an article on just that for those who would like to know.

So what's the bottom line? if you are unsure of what the problem is then do a slurry test on your media. There's a link in this post that will show you how.

If you constantly find the pH is rising in the media then it's most likely related to your water and switching to a nutrient that has a higher acidity(more NH4) could be the solution to all your troubles.

:Rasta:


ok wait .... we're still ph'ing right ... ? :cheesygrinsmiley:

damn you science and your demand of understanding ... !!! :p


all my issues have been over / under feed. i ph but never really needed to play with it super close... and you can't get a more neutral media than hempy with my base water. i ph to 7 on the perlite alone in 12 hrs no matter what i ph the slurry water to. the ro does it on it's own as well.

my ph always rises. i stopped monitoring ages ago and never run to it for an issue fix... am i missing something .. ?
 
So informative as usual. Thank you!
Thanks Fred! :green_heart:
In the words of Mr.Trump - tremendous post. This post is the most tremendous post your going to find anywhere. This post is more tremendous than any other post the previous administration has ever posted.
lol, nicely put... thanks Dee!
and you can't get a more neutral media than hempy with my base water.
Hempy I would classify as passive hydro, same with coco. So the post doesn't apply to those growing methods and therefore you would need to pH your final mix accordingly. Hempy and coco have no way to buffer the water being fed to the plant and therefore it's inportant to pH the nuted solution.
If it's not a hydro or passive hydro setup I don't worry about what the pH of their media is
 
I’m not sure about soil grow, as I’m in dwc. But I’m giving my plants less then the recommended amount measuring 16 grams to 6 gallons or 2.66g per gallon in late flower. Got a couple veg plants transitioning to flower at maybe 8 weeks old getting about the same amount. But back to the soil, I would think, you might be getting what appear to be deficiencies, which might actually be having a higher concentration of one nutrient that locks out uptake of other nutes. Or maybe salt build up. You know as I’m writing this the thought popped up that this isn’t going to help anyone. As I don’t do soil.
Nice informative post @MrSauga I see social distancing has taken its effect on you as well :nomo::laugh:
 
I would think, you might be getting what appear to be deficiencies, which might actually be having a higher concentration of one nutrient that locks out uptake of other nutes.
True, but if you recall in the post this is assuming you are staying within the limits of MC.
Again, this is assuming we are using Megacrop. If the amount fed was below the recommended amount the simple solution would be to increase the dosage of MC. More MC gives more Ca eliminating the Ca def.

But what if you are at the high end of the calculator and are still having a Ca def?
Anytime you go outside the limits of MC, or add supplements such as Bud Explosion or Sweet Candy, the grower risks a lockout. Moreso if the pH of the media is already out of whack.
Nice informative post @MrSauga I see social distancing has taken its effect on you as well :nomo::laugh:
lol, I've been meaning to do it for the last few days so maybe it did.
 
I find it funny that you’re researching growing more, whilst there is apparently a global pandemic going on lol
But your not the only one :laughtwo:
 
I find it funny that you’re researching growing more, whilst there is apparently a global pandemic going on lol
But your not the only one :laughtwo:
lol, not much has changed for me. I'm in the manufacturing industry and right now I still have a full time job. Just buying my time before I get nailed with the bug.
 
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