The Quadsquad Thread: A Community For Quadlining

[politoed]

just did my first quadline on my cream cookies autos. i cut the lower 2 nodes at lights on 5 hours ago. they didnt miss a beat, grew some more and i topped them.

when i topped the second one i noticed pistils! did i fuck up? is this too late into the cycle to do this? theyre 24 days from seed but only 19ish days old.

 

[multiVortex]

You’re fine. As long as they have ‘t started week 4 (day 22) then you're good. I topped my cream cookies, and she’s good.

Be sure to use a little more calmag with her. Mine is about the 4th week of flower and showing complaints. It popped up fast on her, too. (Same with my durban poison from dutch passion, but she showed it two weeks ago.)

I was at 6ml/gal of calmag (the one I’m using has no nitrogen) and bumped to 9ml/gal with this last water change this past Saturday. Today I jumped
it to 11.

 

[politoed]

You’re fine. As long as they have ‘t started week 4 (day 22) then you're good. I topped my cream cookies, and she’s good.

Be sure to use a little more calmag with her. Mine is about the 4th week of flower and showing complaints. It popped up fast on her, too. (Same with my durban poison from dutch passion, but she showed it two weeks ago.)

I was at 6ml/gal of calmag (the one I’m using has no nitrogen) and bumped to 9ml/gal with this last water change this past Saturday. Today I jumped
it to 11.

are you using RO?

what happens if i topped it a day or two late? is this your first time growing CC?

 

[multiVortex]

are you using RO?

what happens if i topped it a day or two late? is this your first time growing CC?

Yes, I’m using RO.

Well, nothing really happens, but you stand a better chance of stunting them as the enter rapid veg growth.

 

[Dan Moore]

In the week since I did my 1st defoliation, things really took off, so I've now completed my 2nd defol and taken a few pics.

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The bottom node tips are 14 inches apart and the top node tips 11 inches apart.
I'll tie down the top nodes to the edge of the bucket this week.

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The opened up sites seem to have worked well....

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The question is, when do think I'll be able to flip to 12/12 ?
I know I'll have to do another defoliation and give them a couple of days before flipping.
I'd also like to get some cuttings before I flip, but it doesn't matter if nothing is big enough.
I was thinking of taking off the under nodes, but they may be too small.
I'm still undecided if I want to take both the over and under nodes off.

And is it correct that I should wait 21 days into 12/12 before I lollipop as the stretch should be finished then?

Thanks.

 

[Dan Moore]

Hi Guys,

Another week and I need some advice.
@Asesino85 @Dutchman1990 @Ganjagrandaddy

I've tried to get some decent images below.
I didn't think it had much foliage until I took the pics.
There are no really big fan leaves.

When do you think I am ready to flip to flower?
and what do I need more defoliation before that?

I've been going through your grow logs, but it's not clear to me.

I'll take some of the under nodes for clones immediately before flip.
It's only 7 inches high, but I'm past the edge of the pot and have started attaching weights.
Nodes 3 span 18 inches and nodes 4 is 14 inches.

Thanks.

 

[Ganjagrandaddy]

Hi Guys,

Another week and I need some advice.
@Asesino85 @Dutchman1990 @Ganjagrandaddy

I've tried to get some decent images below.
I didn't think it had much foliage until I took the pics.
There are no really big fan leaves.

When do you think I am ready to flip to flower?
and what do I need more defoliation before that?

I've been going through your grow logs, but it's not clear to me.

I'll take some of the under nodes for clones immediately before flip.
It's only 7 inches high, but I'm past the edge of the pot and have started attaching weights.
Nodes 3 span 18 inches and nodes 4 is 14 inches.

Thanks.

You could also flatten out some of the secondary growth as tou have the 4 mains. These can also grow out to be mains. With the thinning out. I have learnt now to take one of the paired secondaries growing, out. This allows the remaining one to have space and all the feed off that node. As a pair start to grow out , choose the strongest to keep and remove the other. Do it at the same point on each quad branch to keep the symmetry . A key to your flip height is to bear in mind they double in size ( on average) during the stretch period. You have to imagine them at max for the room and halve it usually but with a quad line, we are stopping them getting tall before that point and spreading their growth more horizontal. For me , I flip around weeks 6-9 from seed dependant on size. This usually gives me a good 3ft finish max. All the work you do now will be a benefit soon enough. Once you flip , your basically a passenger till harvest which is great watch. Looking good now though so shouldn't be long for you to go for it.

 

[Dan Moore]

You could also flatten out some of the secondary growth as tou have the 4 mains. These can also grow out to be mains. With the thinning out. I have learnt now to take one of the paired secondaries growing, out. This allows the remaining one to have space and all the feed off that node. As a pair start to grow out , choose the strongest to keep and remove the other. Do it at the same point on each quad branch to keep the symmetry . A key to your flip height is to bear in mind they double in size ( on average) during the stretch period. You have to imagine them at max for the room and halve it usually but with a quad line, we are stopping them getting tall before that point and spreading their growth more horizontal. For me , I flip around weeks 6-9 from seed dependant on size. This usually gives me a good 3ft finish max. All the work you do now will be a benefit soon enough. Once you flip , your basically a passenger till harvest which is great watch. Looking good now though so shouldn't be long for you to go for it.

So you take the one of the lateral secondary nodes and train that into the quadrant between the main nodes?
I hadn't thought of clipping one of these.
I guessing you take all the over and under nodes off too ?

July 1st might be my time as it will actually remember it then and a final veg defoliation in the week before.
The secondary growth just doesn't seem that substantial yet with nothing really more than 2 inches yet.

Thanks

 

[Ganjagrandaddy]

So you take the one of the lateral secondary nodes and train that into the quadrant between the main nodes?
I hadn't thought of clipping one of these.
I guessing you take all the over and under nodes off too ?

July 1st might be my time as it will actually remember it then and a final veg defoliation in the week before.
The secondary growth just doesn't seem that substantial yet with nothing really more than 2 inches yet.

Thanks

As you say , it isnt substantial yet!. Taking the under one out will concentrate on the remaining one and accelerate it a little. The idea being to create another ring nearer the inside too that gets air and light. If left it can get very crowded during bud building and drown out lower stacking too. Long ,in light stacked colas is the goal so the stepping out allows the lower growth to fill up the nodal gaps as they grow out.. also a good practice to defol at day 21 flower for their final time and then use tucking after that to get light lower. They recover so quickly to defol and i have not been strict enough in mine the last few grows and regretted it. Good luck.

 

[Dutchman1990]

You can also remove the bottom growths from the branches to allow more air flow under the canopy.

 

[politoed]

Here is some quadline action on my OG Kush and Cream Cookies Autos from Fastbuds. They were cut about 12 days ago, and LSTd daily for the last 9 days. Currently day 37 from seed.

 

[multiVortex]

I’m nearing the end on a cream cookies myself. She’s very branchy, and I probably should have clipped a few more nodes than I did. She ended up pretty thick, but once she started flowering I just let her go.

 

[politoed]

I’m nearing the end on a cream cookies myself. She’s very branchy, and I probably should have clipped a few more nodes than I did. She ended up pretty thick, but once she started flowering I just let her go.

one of them was so short, fat and way too bushy. the other taller and very symmetrical. as soon as i defold the fat bush, it shot up and out to mirror the other one. this is a weird plant. it gets really droopy some days, drinks like a fish and seems a little sensitive to changes in the nute regimen. also flowering slower than the rest, i wouldnt mind it going 90 days and getting fat

 

[Stormblessed]

Mine has a very long way to go b4 I get to participate in the fun, but I’m definitely trying it, awesome thread

 

[multiVortex]

one of them was so short, fat and way too bushy. the other taller and very symmetrical. as soon as i defold the fat bush, it shot up and out to mirror the other one. this is a weird plant. it gets really droopy some days, drinks like a fish and seems a little sensitive to changes in the nute regimen. also flowering slower than the rest, i wouldnt mind it going 90 days and getting fat

Mine is sensitive too. It’s getting sticky AF though, and maturing nicely in the flower department. Now the leaves, that’s another story. All 4, not just the cream cookies, are having some weird issue (again) and I can’t root out the underlying cause.

Guess at least they'll be easy to trim.

 

[politoed]

Mine is sensitive too. It’s getting sticky AF though, and maturing nicely in the flower department. Now the leaves, that’s another story. All 4, not just the cream cookies, are having some weird issue (again) and I can’t root out the underlying cause.

Guess at least they'll be easy to trim.

i got the calmag 2 weeks ago the day you recommended it.. took a week to come and maybe the deficiency caught up as some of the bigger fans on mine are looking weird too. i saw in your journal all that rusty stuff near the tops, is that what youre talking about? have you considered maybe tobacco mosaic virus?

 

[multiVortex]

I’m thinking I just get behind on the cal mag and never catch up. Not 100% sure, but really, I’m at 10ml-12ml/gal now, increasing to that the past few weeks) and it isn’t making a dent.

I did some heavy digging a week or so ago and found some interesting notes about how once you see the deficiency in flower, you’re not coming back from it and in react mode. Not sure about that, but I did double the amount on a younger girl (about week 4) so we’ll see.

I don’t think it’s tobacco virus, or something like that (or rust.) It doesn’t rub off the leaves, and I keep things pretty sanitary during and between runs. (Ozone, UV, deep cleaning, new medium, etc.)

They are within a few weeks anyway, so they should be able to make it ok. Won’t be breaking tent records, but should still be a fairly decent haul, all things considered.

 

[multiVortex]

i got the calmag 2 weeks ago the day you recommended it.. took a week to come and maybe the deficiency caught up as some of the bigger fans on mine are looking weird too. i saw in your journal all that rusty stuff near the tops, is that what youre talking about? have you considered maybe tobacco mosaic virus?

I'm wondering if I'm chasing the wrong direction, to be honest. At the start it looks like a calmag issue, but I wonder if the root cause may be a lockout instead. My EC seems to be on the higher end of things, even though I'm well within feeding guidelines and such. I think the additional calmag is pushing the EC up, then nutes on top of that, and poof... EC over 2.0, and right now is more like 2.3 or 2.4 ish.

I am making a note now to check the EC at each interval when mixing, and see what happens. It may be too much calmag, and not a deficiency, but a lockout of other things.

My RO comes out around 17ppm (on the 700 ppm scale, not the tds 500 scale), give or take as the filter ages (where it gets closer to 60ppm when it's time to change the filter out.)

I honestly haven't checked to see what it is after the calmag gets added in. Mainly because for this particular res (20gal) I add 15 gal of RO, then calmag to that. Then add nutes into a 5gal bucket of RO, and then mix that into the 15gal. So the reading would be a bit off. I think maybe I'll give mixing it all in the res a shot, just to see the numbers. Although I guess I could get the same thing by dosing 15 gal at first, then adding in the additional amount for 5gal. (MegaCrop mixes easier for me in a bucket, even if more concentrated, than it does in the res.)

Where I'm at now, the main nutes shouldn't be adding more than 1000ppm to the mix, closer to 925ish actually, so I dunno. May be a combination of things. Not enough calmag from the start, plus a bit more food than they've all seemed to want.

Fun times, yep. lol

 

[Dan Moore]

Hi Guys,

I think I am on track to go to 12/12 on July 1st, so I should think about final defoliating and trimming now.
Any advice?
They are around 10 inches high and I expect that I will have to super crop some of the larger shoots at the end.
Should I do this during stretch or wait until afterwards.

Thanks,

 

[Stormblessed]

Getting closer to being able to do it