This one has no N in it
So I guess it's what it says on the bottle.
EDIT: Removed for clarification
So I guess it's what it says on the bottle.
EDIT: Removed for clarification
The Mega Crop Thread
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Guess the fine folks at General Organics are as good at updating labels and such as the folks at Greenleaf.
Here we go guys, these are not brand new but from a few days ago... hopefully these will help. This is about the extent of how bad they are, except for one plant it’s really moving up the plant quickly. Does this help, or where should I focus the pics on?... these are just what I had on my phone gallery.
I will not be able to add the amount of feeds until tomorrow when I have my journal. But I have been feeding nothing but MC, hydroguard, and botanicare cal-mag... this is DWC in RO water if that helps.
I will not be able to add the amount of feeds until tomorrow when I have my journal. But I have been feeding nothing but MC, hydroguard, and botanicare cal-mag... this is DWC in RO water if that helps.
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Ok cool, because my plants react very well to the calcium and magnesium but react violently to the nitrogen so I’m gonna order that and hopefully that will help.
Not seeing any N-tox. What is your pH given that you are doing hydro?
I'm not sure your problem is related to nutrients tbh. Maybe someone else can pipe in but it looks like environment issues.
candycane
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I just pulled that one up and read the reviews and ALOT of people were pissed because they received the bottle and it was 1-0-0 said it was improperly advertised.
I fluctuate ph from 5.6-6.3. Yes these are old pictures and don’t have the updated pics of the N toxicity. I’ll post those tomorrow... honestly i wasted so many seeds on this run not being prepared for the MC... my fault... that I’m about to run several clones to make up for the loss in harvest :/
Fuck really?!?! ... why would they do that???? ... well shit, does anyone know of a brand of cal-mag I can get my hands on that has zero nitrogen. And I know you don’t see the n tox in the pics but trust me, it’s their with a vengeance... to the point where I can no longer feed. My plants have been flushing at a lighter Mc dose for the last 4 days
Beautiful... thanks for clearing that up!
At least the products that I know of that are no nitrogen are stand alone Cal or Mag. All the combo Cal-Mag products have some % N to my knowledge.
OK then, let's start with some basics. Shed's already asked for the pertinent details, and tailoring advice will be better suited when knowing that information. For now though, we can get started with a general guideline of the basics of using MegaCrop. Some of this may be rudimentary, but I'm going to start from scratch to make sure it's all covered.
First, you really, really, really need a scale to weigh it out. At least in the beginning until you know how much volume a specific amount takes up. If you're going to go with a volume measuring device afterwards, then I'd recommend having one that is marked for 5g. Why? That's 1g/gal in a 5gal bucket. You could also make one for 10g or 15g. If it were me, I'd still weigh it out every time (and I do.) I strongly suggest weighing it out, it's just safer that way.
Keep your product in a tupperware/air tight container and keep it sealed. Humidity can throw off the weight a little.
Now, where are we with your plants?
Here is a general feeding schedule from @farside05 that works extremely well.
Related post from earlier in the thread:
The Mega Crop Thread
Giving MC a shot, subbed I grew your Bedroom Cookies with it this summer in ProMix HP!
www.420magazine.com
Actual schedule:
This schedule is for promix, but works with other media as well, adjusting the pH as needed, etc. But the basics remain the same.
The exception to this would be a media that already has some fertilizer in it, like FFOF, etc.
The calmag this was based off of was Botanicare's calmag+, and Dyna Grow's ProTekt. The ratios here are important. Why? You have to keep within certain ratios of your nitrogen to potassium (N:K) and not exceed 1:3. This is where the N in the calmag (2-0-0 in this case) comes into play. It balances out the K in the Protekt (0-0-3, but closer to 0-0-4.) Or vice versa.
I've run this schedule in promix, hydro, and now running it in a dutch bucket as well. Not a problem with too much nitrogen.
If you've found some calmag without nitrogen, good. However, in the right amounts, you should NOT be seeing an issue with too much nitrogen.
The ratio itself is easy to remember. Use the same amount of calmag/protekt in milliliters (ml) as you use in grams of megacrop. Use 4g/gal of MC? Then use 4ml each of calmag and protekt.
Gen Hydro's calimagic is 1-0-0, and works fine with this. You can cut the protekt in half if you were to use that.
With your new calmag, you shouldn't need to use protekt, or any other potassium supplement, as your N:K ratio shouldn't be changing.
But for now, as you're using the botanicare, how much are you adding per gallon of water? Without something to balance the potassium, I wouldn't suggest using more than 2ml/gallon, maybe 3ml but I'd have to run the math.
But, from the schedule above you can see that within just 30 days, you should be hitting the 6g/gal mark on average. With megacrop only, if you see a deficiency, you just up your dosage.
So the basic question, aside from all the grow details, is how much are you using and how old are your plants?
Reference the above schedule, and see if you're in the ballpark or not for your g/gal of MC.
That's the very basics. Once you have the amount per gallon nailed down, figuring out how much you need is simply just basic math and multiplying by the number of gallons you're making.
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Now for the first part of your remark. I get it. You're fucking up a grow, and it's got you stumped. We've all been there. I just burnt a handful of leaves on one of my plants the other day. Why? Had it moved forward in the tent, under a much lower light for about 45 minutes while I gave her a post-stretch cleanup to thin her out a bit. Whoops.
So shit happens. We learn, we live, we grow (more plants.
)I see from Hippies pics he got up for ya that it looks like you have what, 2-3 week old plants, and DWC?
Should be at the 3g or 4g per gallon mark if that's the case.
Of course all these are general guidelines, and you have to read what your plants are telling you. I can't say that with Farside's schedule I've seen any excessive N issues at all.
I did back off on the amount of protekt in my RDWC and dutch setups, but not from a toxicity standpoint. Protekt likes to try and raise your pH a bit, and the more you use the stronger it can go. So in my hydro stuff I've cut that part in half and now do a 1:0.5 ratio of calmag to protekt. That keeps it about on an even keel for the N:K ratio, which keeps the overall ratio the same as MC.
Going from a fuckton of bottles to just 1 basic nute can screw with your head. You think you need to be doing something, adding something else, tweaking this or that.
The sad thing is that those multi-bottle lines have programmed you to think that way in order to make more cash. Now I'm not saying that you can't grow nice plants with them. That's not it at all. You can, but it costs way more to do so than it does with MC. Using MC cut my fertilizer bill by 90%. That's significant right there, and I'm averaging about $20/grow for nutes now. If I used something like the Gen Hydro flora trio, and all its bottles, I'd be over $300/grow for my RDWC. I can take that $280 and put it to better use.
What about the calmag I have to use? Well, what about it? I'd have to use the same of it with another line, so that's that.
There are a lot of misconceptions about what MegaCrop is, and what it isn't. It's basic simplicity is often mistaken for inferiority, and that it's lacking in something. That you need to add more to it. It can't be just one damn part, right? There's that "multi-bottle line" thinking again.
The reality of it is that all those nutes in those bottles have all been bundled right up into MegaCrop. All your macro nutrients, micro nutrients, they're all there and in amounts that will allow your plants to thrive during whatever stage they are in. It's also balanced in the right ratios to where you won't get lockouts from being out of whack.
It really is that simple. You don't need to add anything, calmag (and balancing it as needed) aside. Even that isn't always needed. Depends on your situation. If you're using RO and or running good LED lights, you probably will need some calmag. Nothing wrong with that.
First thing though, you just gotta relax and roll with the punches. Things will work out.
I removed my images so there was no confusion.
What environment issues are you seeing? Not saying your wrong but my atmosphere is dialed in homie. RH is 60-70 %, plenty of light, plenty of air circulation... what environmental condition could cause this???
I was thinking more along the lines of the roots and the condition the water etc. I'm not familiar with hydro but I have seen similar problems root related with it.
I had 3 of my 4 from my last grow that went to shit for a week because of low temps (mid 60's due to winter). They looked like they were deficient, but it was nothing wrong with feed. A heater solved everything. So it is possible.
THC Onlyfans
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I think im sensing sarcasm but i need to confirm....lol...about to order BE and have been debating other gln products too..
Since the topic of calmag is up....is this an okay one to use with MC? 2-0-0
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That calmag is fine, and what the Farside schedule uses.
And no, it wasn't sarcasm. It was dead serious. The GLN calmag is like 15-0-0 or some ridiculous shit like that. Now THAT... that will burn your plants.
Also, skip the BE. MC already has it built into the mix.
I appreciate your advice... you could be a little less condescending about it lol... of course I use a scale.. ya know what guys I think I got all the info I need. I’ll figure this shit out myself.OK then, let's start with some basics. Shed's already asked for the pertinent details, and tailoring advice will be better suited when knowing that information. For now though, we can get started with a general guideline of the basics of using MegaCrop. Some of this may be rudimentary, but I'm going to start from scratch to make sure it's all covered.
First, you really, really, really need a scale to weigh it out. At least in the beginning until you know how much volume a specific amount takes up. If you're going to go with a volume measuring device afterwards, then I'd recommend having one that is marked for 5g. Why? That's 1g/gal in a 5gal bucket. You could also make one for 10g or 15g. If it were me, I'd still weigh it out every time (and I do.) I strongly suggest weighing it out, it's just safer that way.
Keep your product in a tupperware/air tight container and keep it sealed. Humidity can throw off the weight a little.
Now, where are we with your plants?
Here is a general feeding schedule from @farside05 that works extremely well.
Related post from earlier in the thread:
The Mega Crop Thread
Giving MC a shot, subbed I grew your Bedroom Cookies with it this summer in ProMix HP!www.420magazine.com
Actual schedule:
This schedule is for promix, but works with other media as well, adjusting the pH as needed, etc. But the basics remain the same.
The exception to this would be a media that already has some fertilizer in it, like FFOF, etc.
The calmag this was based off of was Botanicare's calmag+, and Dyna Grow's ProTekt. The ratios here are important. Why? You have to keep within certain ratios of your nitrogen to potassium (N:K) and not exceed 1:3. This is where the N in the calmag (2-0-0 in this case) comes into play. It balances out the K in the Protekt (0-0-3, but closer to 0-0-4.) Or vice versa.
I've run this schedule in promix, hydro, and now running it in a dutch bucket as well. Not a problem with too much nitrogen.
If you've found some calmag without nitrogen, good. However, in the right amounts, you should NOT be seeing an issue with too much nitrogen.
The ratio itself is easy to remember. Use the same amount of calmag/protekt in milliliters (ml) as you use in grams of megacrop. Use 4g/gal of MC? Then use 4ml each of calmag and protekt.
Gen Hydro's calimagic is 1-0-0, and works fine with this. You can cut the protekt in half if you were to use that.
With your new calmag, you shouldn't need to use protekt, or any other potassium supplement, as your N:K ratio shouldn't be changing.
But for now, as you're using the botanicare, how much are you adding per gallon of water? Without something to balance the potassium, I wouldn't suggest using more than 2ml/gallon, maybe 3ml but I'd have to run the math.
But, from the schedule above you can see that within just 30 days, you should be hitting the 6g/gal mark on average. With megacrop only, if you see a deficiency, you just up your dosage.
So the basic question, aside from all the grow details, is how much are you using and how old are your plants?
Reference the above schedule, and see if you're in the ballpark or not for your g/gal of MC.
That's the very basics. Once you have the amount per gallon nailed down, figuring out how much you need is simply just basic math and multiplying by the number of gallons you're making.
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Now for the first part of your remark. I get it. You're fucking up a grow, and it's got you stumped. We've all been there. I just burnt a handful of leaves on one of my plants the other day. Why? Had it moved forward in the tent, under a much lower light for about 45 minutes while I gave her a post-stretch cleanup to thin her out a bit. Whoops.
So shit happens. We learn, we live, we grow (more plants.
I see from Hippies pics he got up for ya that it looks like you have what, 2-3 week old plants, and DWC?
Should be at the 3g or 4g per gallon mark if that's the case.
Of course all these are general guidelines, and you have to read what your plants are telling you. I can't say that with Farside's schedule I've seen any excessive N issues at all.
I did back off on the amount of protekt in my RDWC and dutch setups, but not from a toxicity standpoint. Protekt likes to try and raise your pH a bit, and the more you use the stronger it can go. So in my hydro stuff I've cut that part in half and now do a 1:0.5 ratio of calmag to protekt. That keeps it about on an even keel for the N:K ratio, which keeps the overall ratio the same as MC.
Going from a fuckton of bottles to just 1 basic nute can screw with your head. You think you need to be doing something, adding something else, tweaking this or that.
The sad thing is that those multi-bottle lines have programmed you to think that way in order to make more cash. Now I'm not saying that you can't grow nice plants with them. That's not it at all. You can, but it costs way more to do so than it does with MC. Using MC cut my fertilizer bill by 90%. That's significant right there, and I'm averaging about $20/grow for nutes now. If I used something like the Gen Hydro flora trio, and all its bottles, I'd be over $300/grow for my RDWC. I can take that $280 and put it to better use.
What about the calmag I have to use? Well, what about it? I'd have to use the same of it with another line, so that's that.
There are a lot of misconceptions about what MegaCrop is, and what it isn't. It's basic simplicity is often mistaken for inferiority, and that it's lacking in something. That you need to add more to it. It can't be just one damn part, right? There's that "multi-bottle line" thinking again.
The reality of it is that all those nutes in those bottles have all been bundled right up into MegaCrop. All your macro nutrients, micro nutrients, they're all there and in amounts that will allow your plants to thrive during whatever stage they are in. It's also balanced in the right ratios to where you won't get lockouts from being out of whack.
It really is that simple. You don't need to add anything, calmag (and balancing it as needed) aside. Even that isn't always needed. Depends on your situation. If you're using RO and or running good LED lights, you probably will need some calmag. Nothing wrong with that.
First thing though, you just gotta relax and roll with the punches. Things will work out.
ohhh ok... lots of great questions here that I didn’t answer lol sorry. Water temp is usually 68oF ... in the hot areas where lights are close together (only for seedling stage until I can spread the lights out) the water temp reaches up to 72.5F... the room temperature is currently 76-78F for veg... when switching to 12/12 I will lower the temps to 72-74F to attempt bring out some colors.
Can you refer me to a stand alone calcium product? I can’t for the life of me find one... I’m aware I can get away with using a product that has N in it but from what I observed so far... I truly believe that my plants will do FAR better with a a stand alone calcium product... besides working 70 hour work weeks, it takes allot out of me.. that’s why I went with MC... for the simplicity so I REALLY want to make this work. I can 110% grow absolutely stunning plants with any bottled nutes but I need to learn to make this MC work.... and a huge shoutout to everyone helping me through this: