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The Honey Oil Thread: From Raw Bud & Trim, To RSO, Through An SPD, To Golden Love!
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Here is a chart of the data. Blue line is the Heating Mantle Temperature. The Orange line is the temperature inside the boiling flask. The Grey line is the head temperature. I've marked where the fractions begin and end, so far.
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Still squeezing the crude oil for all its got.
About 5.5 hours into the run, about 2 hours into the Mains Fraction capturing the THC.
About 5.5 hours into the run, about 2 hours into the Mains Fraction capturing the THC.
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Every so often, there will be cooling of the liquids that are running out of the Condenser Head into the Triple Cow. This will cause the oil to stack, and eventually backup. Hit it with a Heat Gun (Our Little Friend). This will be required probably every 15-20 minutes as the Mains and Tails Fractions run through.
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At last, we are at the end of the THC fraction. Head temps are dropping.
At this point, I have two options. A-Call it a night and turn the heat off. If we keep the vacuum running until everything cools down to less than 50c or so, and then shut down the vacuum, we'll be good. We can continue tomorrow. B- Keep going on to the next fraction. Make mistakes because I am tired AF.
I'm going with A. One of the benefits of this process, is you can shut down when you need to. As long as you mind the temperatures and don't release vacuum until everything is cooled down, you are groovy. Just keep everything capped off so that its not exposed to environment. I'm just doing this over night. I wouldn't advise leaving the goodies sitting around for longer than that.
At this point, I have two options. A-Call it a night and turn the heat off. If we keep the vacuum running until everything cools down to less than 50c or so, and then shut down the vacuum, we'll be good. We can continue tomorrow. B- Keep going on to the next fraction. Make mistakes because I am tired AF.
I'm going with A. One of the benefits of this process, is you can shut down when you need to. As long as you mind the temperatures and don't release vacuum until everything is cooled down, you are groovy. Just keep everything capped off so that its not exposed to environment. I'm just doing this over night. I wouldn't advise leaving the goodies sitting around for longer than that.
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Back at it...
To review, I stopped last night once the THC fraction was complete.
A fraction is basically a temperature range that the compounds you want to vaporize come off from the liquid. In our case, there is the Heads, which are some bad stuff mixed in with a few Terpenes that are good, but separating the good from the bad is too difficult due to the closeness of the temperatures that they boil off.
The mains is the next fraction, which is our THC, and probably any CBD that is in the plant. I kept the temps below 165c, which is where CBD vaporizes, but who knows if its separated without testing. Also, the strains I am using aren't known to have more than 1% CBD, so I'm guessing I won't get any out.
This is where I stopped last night.
Next, we are after the Tails fraction. The Tails Fraction rages from 163c or so, up to 220c. Remember, these are the temps in the head, not in the boiling flask. I still haven't decided if I am going to mix the Tails in with the Flask that the Mains are in. I'm going to do it later anyway. I feel like its a waste to not just mix Mains/Tails into the same flask, because if I do it later, some of the product will stick to the second flask. It might make sense to just do it now.
Dunno, still deciding. I have about 30c degrees more before I have to decide.
To review, I stopped last night once the THC fraction was complete.
A fraction is basically a temperature range that the compounds you want to vaporize come off from the liquid. In our case, there is the Heads, which are some bad stuff mixed in with a few Terpenes that are good, but separating the good from the bad is too difficult due to the closeness of the temperatures that they boil off.
The mains is the next fraction, which is our THC, and probably any CBD that is in the plant. I kept the temps below 165c, which is where CBD vaporizes, but who knows if its separated without testing. Also, the strains I am using aren't known to have more than 1% CBD, so I'm guessing I won't get any out.
This is where I stopped last night.
Next, we are after the Tails fraction. The Tails Fraction rages from 163c or so, up to 220c. Remember, these are the temps in the head, not in the boiling flask. I still haven't decided if I am going to mix the Tails in with the Flask that the Mains are in. I'm going to do it later anyway. I feel like its a waste to not just mix Mains/Tails into the same flask, because if I do it later, some of the product will stick to the second flask. It might make sense to just do it now.
Dunno, still deciding. I have about 30c degrees more before I have to decide.
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Good time to mention.... As with so many things here on this website, I am totally experimenting. I don't want anyone to get the idea that I know what I am doing. This is just what I have figured out. By all means, if you have a suggestion, please bounce it. I may have already thought of it or it was already pointed out to me. However, I really do learn by other folks bouncing ideas out there.
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EPO...……….
Stands for Emergency Power Off.
The pump stopped sounding like it usually does, and the preasure meter went far enough outside of the range that I am no longer comfortable with the balance of things. The meter went from 180 microns which was already outside of the range, to 190 microns. Oil was still dropping at 180 microns, so I was on the trigger, but willing to let it flow. With the sound of the pump and the drop in pressure (by just a little), something seems wrong, so I'm pulling the plug, so to speak.
I shut the pump off, and then started backing off on the Heat Mantle temps. The system is sealed, so the pressure will stay down until I release it.
I think I just need to change the oil. Again, I think I contaminated it. No spare oil.....
I have oil that should be delivered via amazon in the next couple hours. I'm going to back off on the heat, and keep it everything under vacuum. The pump is off until I get oil. But the system is sealed enough that it will stay pressurized for at least a day.
Just not happy with the sound of the pump, and the matching meter data. One on its own wouldn't have stopped me.....
Stands for Emergency Power Off.
The pump stopped sounding like it usually does, and the preasure meter went far enough outside of the range that I am no longer comfortable with the balance of things. The meter went from 180 microns which was already outside of the range, to 190 microns. Oil was still dropping at 180 microns, so I was on the trigger, but willing to let it flow. With the sound of the pump and the drop in pressure (by just a little), something seems wrong, so I'm pulling the plug, so to speak.
I shut the pump off, and then started backing off on the Heat Mantle temps. The system is sealed, so the pressure will stay down until I release it.
I think I just need to change the oil. Again, I think I contaminated it. No spare oil.....
I have oil that should be delivered via amazon in the next couple hours. I'm going to back off on the heat, and keep it everything under vacuum. The pump is off until I get oil. But the system is sealed enough that it will stay pressurized for at least a day.
Just not happy with the sound of the pump, and the matching meter data. One on its own wouldn't have stopped me.....
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Got all excited because the Danes started barking up a storm up stairs. The oil is here!
NOT!!!
It was take out for dinner. Like, who cares about food. I want my damn vacuum pump oil!!!
NOT!!!
It was take out for dinner. Like, who cares about food. I want my damn vacuum pump oil!!!
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My Ice is melting damnit, where is my oil Mr. Amazon!
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My mistake, I wasn't prepared. Sigh.....
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EPO
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it happens ..I bet you next time you will have spare oil to boot … as the saying goes " I find success through my failures " . You are doing a fine job . In regards to mixing tails with the body . ..That's what I would do as that's just about as full spectrum as you can get .
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Confirmed. Contaminated vacuum oil was the issue. I did an oil change and things are working much better.
Here is a pic of the oil that came out. It’s supposed to be completely clear
With fresh oil inside, the pump is now pulling down to 60 microns!
Here is a pic of the oil that came out. It’s supposed to be completely clear
With fresh oil inside, the pump is now pulling down to 60 microns!
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Now that I have the pump issue resolved, we are down to 90 microns at full heat! On Sunday, oil stopped. The pump was pulling down to 150 microns. Here is the result of the oil change. More THC!
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Head temps are starting to crash, From 158-160c range down to the 155c. Also, oil flow down to the receiving flask is slowing dramatically. This signals the end of the mains. Moving higher on the Heat Mantle temp to go after tails.
I've decided, with @No Pain as a backup to the decions, to just mix the THC and Terpenes together. That means instead of switching the flasks now, I'll just keep going into the tails fraction with the same flask as the mains.
I've decided, with @No Pain as a backup to the decions, to just mix the THC and Terpenes together. That means instead of switching the flasks now, I'll just keep going into the tails fraction with the same flask as the mains.
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All Done! Shutting things down. I think I got what was to be had. Here is the refuse (the junk left over). Waiting for everything to come back down before stopping the vacuum.
