The Gee Spot - You Finally Found It

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I finally found it. @Azimuth this is what happens if you overwater a plant for it's entire life.

It is in good soil, and in veg it was a beauty, but once flipped to flower when protein synthesis greatly decreases (it stops growing size and mass) and O2 is required far more, as it's dietary requirements broaden, you see this.

Now this is exagerated, I did it on purpose, but it displays the starvation very well.

This is just after stretch, so 4ish weeks from flip. Shortly after this photo it lost all it's fans and yielded small with fluffy buds.
 
Gee64 said:
Gidorah how are your Ladies doing?
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Hey Gee, they are doing great, thanks for asking! Wild lady is the closest plant in the pic, she's starting to pick up speed. IKLWA is the furthest plant and is growing very well, has alternate nodes
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now. The plants in the metal tub are indicas and are showing alternate nodes too. Found a couple caterpillars and always on the look out for grasshoppers. Hope you all have a great day.
 
Gidorah said:
Hey Gee, they are doing great, thanks for asking! Wild lady is the closest plant in the pic, she's starting to pick up speed. IKLWA is the furthest plant and is growing very well, has alternate nodes
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now. The plants in the metal tub are indicas and are showing alternate nodes too. Found a couple caterpillars and always on the look out for grasshoppers. Hope you all have a great day.
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Wow!! Very nice G 😎😍 They look fantastic!

Ikky looks alot like mine did for shape. A round ball on the bottom, and Wild Lady has her huge fans out now. I bet she takes off bigtime.

Those Indicas look really happy in that big planter too.

So what's going in the big beige pot?
 
My only outdoor plant this year (so far, a programmer may go outside in a week or so) is the BK manifold revegger and revegging shevis! She is very healthy now and reveg is hapoening.

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She is mostly one-bladed leaves, but the 3's have started, so in a couple more weeks she should be back to full on veg just in time for the days to start getting shorter🤣. Oh well, lets see how it goes. It's a cross of Kingdom Organic's C-99 and Delicious seeds 11 Roses. Thos pheno is really skunky. It stinks in reveg really strongly. You can still see calyxes in her colas.

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And here is the Figgy clone from the aerocloner, cut on March 28. Its already hardened off and has been outside now for 2 weeks.
 
I'm going to make a castings tea tonight. Any suggestions on the ratios?

I thought I'd bring my rain water up to 50 ppm with my dolo water before adding my castings and molasses, and maybe some seaweed JLF. I could also add some FAA and some Great White to the brew.
 
Gee64 said:
Wow!! Very nice G 😎😍 They look fantastic!

Ikky looks alot like mine did for shape. A round ball on the bottom, and Wild Lady has her huge fans out now. I bet she takes off bigtime.

Those Indicas look really happy in that big planter too.

So what's going in the big beige pot?
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Nothing yet, probably some tomatoes when I get around to it. Love heirloom varieties so will see what seeds I have.
 
Gidorah said:
Nothing yet, probably some tomatoes when I get around to it. Love heirloom varieties so will see what seeds I have.
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I planted an eggplant in a pot almost identical to your empty one. Now that the heat is coming on it seems really happy in it. It's getting big leaves so it's about to really start growing. 3 blossons appeared yesterday so thats cool👍 The wife loves cooking with it. Hopefully it will produce lots.
 
Day 7. RVDV Programmers
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So what are you folks' thoughts. Is it normal for a clone in that bad of shape to recover this quickly?

I gave them fish ferts on day 1 I beleive, then dolomite water a couple days ago.

It also got a really light mineral dust and EWC on Day 1 with the fish water, and a regular mineral topdressing for it's pot size with more EWC, with the dolomite water.

TBH I have never tried rescuing a clone that far gone, I just toss them in the worm bin.
 
Gee64 said:
Day 7. RVDV Programmers
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So what are you folks' thoughts. Is it normal for a clone in that bad of shape to recover this quickly?

I gave them fish ferts on day 1 I beleive, then dolomite water a couple days ago.

It also got a really light mineral dust and EWC on Day 1 with the fish water, and a regular mineral topdressing for it's pot size with more EWC, with the dolomite water.

TBH I have never tried rescuing a clone that far gone, I just toss them in the worm bin.
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Also some tea, I forgot about that.
 
Gee on the subject of soil moisture, have I understood you correctly that the soil should be moist enough to squeeze a drop when I up-pot to my 20 L? My seedlings are not ready to be moved into bigger pots yet, but I am preparing the pots for a week from now.

These are the babies just now.

MAC #1 Auto by Dutch Passion

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A little too moist.

Blueberry Auto by Seedsman

Blueberry Auto by Seedsman

A little over watered.

Red Mimosa XL Auto by Sweet Seeds

Red Mimosa XL Auto by Sweet Seeds

A little on the damp side.
 
Carmen Ray said:
Gee on the subject of soil moisture, have I understood you correctly that the soil should be moist enough to squeeze a drop when I up-pot to my 20 L? My seedlings are not ready to be moved into bigger pots yet, but I am preparing the pots for a week from now.

These are the babies just now.

MAC #1 Auto by Dutch Passion

MAC #1 Auto by Dutch Passion

A little too moist.

Blueberry Auto by Seedsman

Blueberry Auto by Seedsman

A little over watered.

Red Mimosa XL Auto by Sweet Seeds

Red Mimosa XL Auto by Sweet Seeds

A little on the damp side.
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I love baby pot plants🥰.

Being able to squeeze a drop or two out is perfect for cooking, cloning, and upotting.

It's actually still too wet for growing, but most peoples soil is far wetter. If your soil passes the squeeze test then it only takes a couple days to dry down into the sweet zone.

You are way better off drying down into the zone than being too dry and having to water up to the zone. Watering up almost always leads to dry spots, but drying down allows calcium to homogenize throughout the pot.

If you have a cheapo water stick you will see what I mean.

But to answer your question, Yes, being able to only get 1 or 2 drops is good. If you squeeze it and a drop starts to form but doesn't get big enough to drip, thats even better.

If you are planting bare root clones or roiting clones in soil, getting just a couple drops is perfect.

When you uppot you never want roots to be dry. Mist the rootball lightly, dust on the myco, mist again and plant.

The squeeze test ensures the roots won't dry immediately, and as it dries into the sweet zone myco sprouts to life and roots chase into the new soil.

Then just keep the soil at the proper moisture level fluctuating from wetter to dryer like you normally do when watering.

Most deficiencies that show up in younger plants, like at around the 2 week mark after uppotting, are due to overwatering.

If you don't have a water stik I highly recommend buying one. I'm not sure of the price in SA but I can get them for $2-$3 a piece here.

Buy 2 or 3. You will start using them inside and out. They are eye openers.

Watering gets way easier when you realize you were doing it twice as often as you needed to be when they are young, and not often enough when they get big.

Get the kind with one probe not 2 probes.
 
Gee64 said:
I love baby pot plants🥰.

Being able to squeeze a drop or two out is perfect for cooking, cloning, and upotting.

It's actually still too wet for growing, but most peoples soil is far wetter. If your soil passes the squeeze test then it only takes a couple days to dry down into the sweet zone.

You are way better off drying down into the zone than being too dry and having to water up to the zone. Watering up almost always leads to dry spots, but drying down allows calcium to homogenize throughout the pot.

If you have a cheapo water stick you will see what I mean.

But to answer your question, Yes, being able to only get 1 or 2 drops is good. If you squeeze it and a drop starts to form but doesn't get big enough to drip, thats even better.

If you are planting bare root clones or roiting clones in soil, getting just a couple drops is perfect.

When you uppot you never want roots to be dry. Mist the rootball lightly, dust on the myco, mist again and plant.

The squeeze test ensures the roots won't dry immediately, and as it dries into the sweet zone myco sprouts to life and roots chase into the new soil.

Then just keep the soil at the proper moisture level fluctuating from wetter to dryer like you normally do when watering.

Most deficiencies that show up in younger plants, like at around the 2 week mark after uppotting, are due to overwatering.

If you don't have a water stik I highly recommend buying one. I'm not sure of the price in SA but I can get them for $2-$3 a piece here.

Buy 2 or 3. You will start using them inside and out. They are eye openers.

Watering gets way easier when you realize you were doing it twice as often as you needed to be when they are young, and not often enough when they get big.

Get the kind with one probe not 2 probes.
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Perfect, thank you :)
 
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Here is a close up of your leaf. See how the foliage between the veins is fading from light green, almost yellow, to dark green and all shades in between, but with no real pattern, it just kind of mottles around. That is too much water causing your leaf to be cold.

The plant wants to warm it up to 2 degrees lower than air temperature but the extra water cools it.

If it were a deficiency it would have a defined pattern such as a classic magnesium deficiency.

A heat pad may help too but drying down is better. If you use the heat pad be careful and set it for 76F max. Then only use it until they dry down and the color in the leaves smooths out.

If you let your water sit in a jug on the counter so it is room temperature that will really help babies too. A big plant can take cold water because by the time it has circulated through the entire big plant it has warmed, but colder water can chill a baby really quickly.

Over watering chills soil and a plant just as mist cools a human on a hot day. It wicks the warmth away, but a muggy warm day with moisture only in the air and not actually wetting us, makes it feel even warmer than it is.

Thats what you want to shoot for in your soil.

You see this quite often in babies and after uppotting as both scenarios are very easy to overwater.

That mottling in your leaves is actually them being cold, but it's caused by wet soil.

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Here is one of my programming clones, see how consistent the color is throughout the leaf? proper watering does that. If I drench them with cold water they will mottle.
 
Gee64 said:
Stone are you growing outdoors this year?
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Yep an Apple Betty and a Runtz Muffin. Betty's been out for almost a month and Muffy two weeks.
 
Azimuth said:
I'm going to make a castings tea tonight. Any suggestions on the ratios?

I thought I'd bring my rain water up to 50 ppm with my dolo water before adding my castings and molasses, and maybe some seaweed JLF. I could also add some FAA and some Great White to the brew.
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Sorry Azi, I just saw this now. In 16 litres of water I would use 2 tablespoons of molasses and whatever other ingredients you choose, bubble that for 24 hours, then add 1 cup of EWC and bubble for another 16-24 hours before serving. If you add dolomite to it get that bubbled in 1st for an hour or so. Scale that down if needed, or use the excess on your outdoor plants.
 
@Azimuth I have been thinking a fair bit about your mix and how to get it to work better with a Sip.

Organic matter, regardless of what kind, only "needs" to be about 5% of a mix, and for growing good weed should be about 10-12%.

So my EWC when finished, is about 40% veggie scraps and meals, and 60% used soil, perlite, etc. So 25% of my grow mix is EWC, but only 40% of that 25% is organic matter, so 1.00 gallons in a 10gal pot. 10%.

With that in mind, and counting biochar because it charges itself with organic matter, what % of your mix, compost, biochar, and ewc combined, is yours?

Too much will cause you to have soggy soil. Just right and it should wick the right amount of water up thru the mix. Too much of a good thing is real in LOS.

If lowering organic matter throws your ratios off, replace the parts you take out with perlite, and if it turns out to be a substantial amount, replace it with a mix of 2/3 perlite and 1/3 carbon.

That ups air and the extra carbon is just enough to hydrate the extra perlite in ratio.

Run some math on your mix and see what you come up with. Maybe we can kick this back and forth and get you a great sip mix for your small pot sizes.

Because it would lower your overall pot nutrition content, it may also be perfect for sustaining with Jadam/KNF potions.
 
Gee64 said:
Are they in a journal? Have I missed that one?

Edit: I remember now, the Build-a-soil grow. Sorry, busy week and I finally have some time off.
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I dotted the Herbies journal with it. Not many notes yet. I took couple of pics this morning. I have to stick them!

Runtz Muffin

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Runtz Muffin

Apple Betty

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Apple Betty

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Apple Betty
 
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