TeSmp's Critical Sensi Star - 6 Sq/Ft SCROG - Single Plant

[Smokemupm8]

Hey teSmp,
Well i am not sure how to respond... Though i will say, on my behalf, AT NO TIME was i trying to insult your growing methods or saying that i can outgrow you or some shit??
Merely was making an open question in regard to given right conditions in soil, that is it possible to produce the same amount in the same time?? It WAS NOT an attack on Hydroponic growing vs Soil growing nor was it a personal attack.
I feel that you have felt some more of the latter in regards to my comment/s..
I watched a few of the videos suggested, but i dont have enough usage to go thru them all to find one thats like a soil compared to hydro grow, in appropriate conditions for both.. So I APOLOGISE TO YOU for any offence taken, as i was only really taken aback by the way soil grows were shot down as NOT COMPARABLE in yields given a similar time frame to hydro.. ITS MY INSOLENCE, plz forgive me jedi master.. Lol.. But yeah as i said you did a kick arse job bro! And i hope you get about 12 oz dry from it!! Later mate.. ENJOY YOUR GANJA chat soon, SMOKEM..

 

[donpaul.p]

would you say the bucket you used was plenty big enough for your plant or would you of liked a bigger bucket.

my plans are this, mount wheels on a board so i can pull it in and out of the grow room so i can get all the way round the plant,
place a tub on the board and then build a frame for the scrog, i wont put the net over the top till im sure of the size of the plant, like how much room would i need from the top of the bucket to the scrog so i would need to sort that out, so id get the board and bucket set up and start the plant then i can adjust the height of the scrog and place it over the plant when i have got the height right.

ill have a drain in the bottom of the bucket so it can be drained and filled easily, i want it all mounted on wheels so i can pull it out and turn it round to make the light more even, say every 7 days ill turn the board round and put it back in the grow and this should keep a nice even light around the whole plant and give me even growth, im either thinking a 1 plant scrog or a 2 plant scrog, if i do a 2 plant scrog then ill do it with 2 different strains, but im thinking of doing a 3ft by 3ft scrog which will fill my whole room, i can then pull it out and put it back in any way i like,

so if its all on wheels i should have good access for pruning and cleaning etc, this will make it a whole lot easier for me to get in and out,
id have a couple of air stones in their to ensure its getting enough, im either going to get a square res as this should be better for 2 plants, i have got n old water heater tub that was in my moms loft and she had it taken out when they had their new boiler fitted because before they needed to heat the water up before using it and this took upto an hour to have enough hot water to run a bath, but now they have instant water with the boiler they got now, so in my moms back garden is this big square tub, it has a drain at the bottom that was connected to the pipes in my moms house, so im thinking this would be perfect for what i need it for, plus i got lots of air pumps and pipes etc etc, my only problem is nutes, but im thinking that the bigger the res the less it will need draining and filling back up, i dont want to use a whole load of nutes in a big tub if i have got to empty and clean it as often, so if i still need to empty and clean say once a week then id need to use a smaller res, but if it can go a couple of weeks without changing the res then the bigger res will be ok

 

[teSmp]

Hey, hey hey!!! let's just settle down and wait till it is dry!

Very nice. If it smokes like it looks you will have much relief

What! bummer!! sorry to hear that

Thanks for the posts

Haha yeah your right we gotta wait till it's all dry to see Thanks! and I'm sure I'll be back to grow some day I just don't have time for it right now so it works out that I have so much weed I already don't know what to do with it!

DAMN! Nice dude!

Had to quote the whole thing to get it on this page! It's THAT worth it!

Haha thanks for bumping it over And thank you!

Hey teSmp,
Well i am not sure how to respond... Though i will say, on my behalf, AT NO TIME was i trying to insult your growing methods or saying that i can outgrow you or some shit??
Merely was making an open question in regard to given right conditions in soil, that is it possible to produce the same amount in the same time?? It WAS NOT an attack on Hydroponic growing vs Soil growing nor was it a personal attack.
I feel that you have felt some more of the latter in regards to my comment/s..
I watched a few of the videos suggested, but i dont have enough usage to go thru them all to find one thats like a soil compared to hydro grow, in appropriate conditions for both.. So I APOLOGISE TO YOU for any offence taken, as i was only really taken aback by the way soil grows were shot down as NOT COMPARABLE in yields given a similar time frame to hydro.. ITS MY INSOLENCE, plz forgive me jedi master.. Lol.. But yeah as i said you did a kick arse job bro! And i hope you get about 12 oz dry from it!! Later mate.. ENJOY YOUR GANJA chat soon, SMOKEM..

I think we were both misunderstanding each other, I didn't mean any offense to you in my post either. But I'm going to stand by what I'm saying, if there was the most perfect conditions possible for both soil and hydro right next to each other the hydro would win. This is not my opinion, the two are not comparable. With hydro the plant has nutes 100% of the time any time it wants it from start to finish. With soil you have to judge when it's dry or wet and how much and then alternate between feeding and watering. The root structures in a hydro plant gets larger, quicker and most importantly it happens early on in the plants life which is important to get a healthy fast growing plant.

So yes if that is shooting soil down, then it is. It's not a secret, it is a fact. You won't find better conditions then in these grow videos. These are two of the best growers, temp is PERFECT, RH is PERFECT, feeding schedule is PERFECT, ec is PERFECT, same exact sized containers, both plants each get their own 600w HPS, both are started from clones given 2 weeks to clone + 2 weeks veg picking the healthiest 2 plants for the side-by-side... Here's a good one:

The Church grow video - growHD.tv

 

[donpaul.p]

i just checked that vid mate, im not sure what to make of it, i had a plant that grew quicker than the soil but each strain would be different, so if that same plant that grew quick for me would grow quicker in hydro then i would of had a monster plant,

i will be switching to hydro, ive got these plants in flower to harvest then ive got the plants in veg to sort out, i wont have room to do a hydro scrog and still keep the other plants i have got in veg, so ill need to flower these off, then finish the veg and then flower the next lot of plants then ill be switching to hydro,

ill use the same strains i have been growing now, i will give them the same veg and see how things go, im thinking of going with a scrog for the first hydro grow, thinking a 3ft by 3ft 2plant scrog, that should give me the same yield as all the plants i have in flower at the moment, im liking the results tesmp got and fishcake is getting, so i am going to give it a try, their is no point in me saying soil is better or hydro is better, until i give it a try i can only go on what i can see, so i need to try it myself and see how easy it is compared to soil and see how the growth differs,

if i like the results which i probably will then ill switch to hydro totally and give different set ups a go, but my first will be a 2 plant scrog, under glr and 400watt dual spec hps

 

[teSmp]

would you say the bucket you used was plenty big enough for your plant or would you of liked a bigger bucket.

No I wouldn't say I would want a bigger bucket.. There are two reasons why you would want a larger res: 1. temps will be easier to control if your room temps are higher then 83F 2. pH/ppm are more stable in a larger reservoir... Now I didn't have problems with either of those really. If I needed to veg longer then 30 days I think it would of been better with a bigger bucket (deeper).

my plans are this, mount wheels on a board so i can pull it in and out of the grow room so i can get all the way round the plant,
place a tub on the board and then build a frame for the scrog, i wont put the net over the top till im sure of the size of the plant, like how much room would i need from the top of the bucket to the scrog so i would need to sort that out, so id get the board and bucket set up and start the plant then i can adjust the height of the scrog and place it over the plant when i have got the height right.

ill have a drain in the bottom of the bucket so it can be drained and filled easily, i want it all mounted on wheels so i can pull it out and turn it round to make the light more even, say every 7 days ill turn the board round and put it back in the grow and this should keep a nice even light around the whole plant and give me even growth, im either thinking a 1 plant scrog or a 2 plant scrog, if i do a 2 plant scrog then ill do it with 2 different strains, but im thinking of doing a 3ft by 3ft scrog which will fill my whole room, i can then pull it out and put it back in any way i like,

That's a great idea and it will work well. To strains could give you a problem on your first SCROG because they're going to grow/stretch at different rates. You want your screen to be 8-10" above the top of the buckets, and having to ability to adjust the screen is awesome because if it's not stretching a lot you lower it, if it is stretching to much you raise it.

However, for one plant you'll want to LST once around 2 weeks and then put the screen in around the 3rd week. Fill the screen for 1.5-2 weeks and then flower. With two plants you'll want to LST at the 2nd week screen the 3rd week and veg for maybe 5-7 days and then flower.

so if its all on wheels i should have good access for pruning and cleaning etc, this will make it a whole lot easier for me to get in and out,
id have a couple of air stones in their to ensure its getting enough, im either going to get a square res as this should be better for 2 plants, i have got n old water heater tub that was in my moms loft and she had it taken out when they had their new boiler fitted because before they needed to heat the water up before using it and this took upto an hour to have enough hot water to run a bath, but now they have instant water with the boiler they got now, so in my moms back garden is this big square tub, it has a drain at the bottom that was connected to the pipes in my moms house, so im thinking this would be perfect for what i need it for, plus i got lots of air pumps and pipes etc etc, my only problem is nutes, but im thinking that the bigger the res the less it will need draining and filling back up, i dont want to use a whole load of nutes in a big tub if i have got to empty and clean it as often, so if i still need to empty and clean say once a week then id need to use a smaller res, but if it can go a couple of weeks without changing the res then the bigger res will be ok

You can change out the res as much as you'd like. I think I changed mine I think 5 times the entire grow. Whether or not people agree with what I did, I'm happy with how mine turned out. Do you have any idea how big that is??? I'm assuming it's rather large, I wouldn't go over 15 gallons with two plants. If it were me I would just use like a 7 gallon bucket and do one plant. You could put the drain on the bottom of the bucket with a hole in your cart.. Run a drain tube out the bottom of the cart and it will empty every drop.

 

[teSmp]

i just checked that vid mate, im not sure what to make of it, i had a plant that grew quicker than the soil but each strain would be different, so if that same plant that grew quick for me would grow quicker in hydro then i would of had a monster plant,

i will be switching to hydro, ive got these plants in flower to harvest then ive got the plants in veg to sort out, i wont have room to do a hydro scrog and still keep the other plants i have got in veg, so ill need to flower these off, then finish the veg and then flower the next lot of plants then ill be switching to hydro,

ill use the same strains i have been growing now, i will give them the same veg and see how things go, im thinking of going with a scrog for the first hydro grow, thinking a 3ft by 3ft 2plant scrog, that should give me the same yield as all the plants i have in flower at the moment, im liking the results tesmp got and fishcake is getting, so i am going to give it a try, their is no point in me saying soil is better or hydro is better, until i give it a try i can only go on what i can see, so i need to try it myself and see how easy it is compared to soil and see how the growth differs,

if i like the results which i probably will then ill switch to hydro totally and give different set ups a go, but my first will be a 2 plant scrog, under glr and 400watt dual spec hps

Those are identical strains in that video with clones taken from the same mother. You saw the plants when they started, the soil one was even bigger to start with. You can go ahead with the two plants but I would really suggest doing the same strain, and yeah got for the SCROG + hydro on the first go! I've been saying this for a while, I haven't seen a heavy yielding huge soil SCROG in a longggg time! When you switch to flower and expect it to stretch it simply fails to go anywhere. Same thing happened with my White Widows.. As you can see in that video and many others in hydro you flip to 12/12 and it doubles/triples in size and the buds fill in faster, bigger, and many times finish sooner then the soil.

And ok, two weeks into your grow you'll already be saying how much better it is and you'll be asking yourself why you waited so long! You know you can rinse the dirt off your plants and throw it in a netpot???

 

[donpaul.p]

i hear you mate, im impressed with the results you got, ill see how much this tub holds, so for 1 plant you say 7gallon would be ok,

i get what your saying on the 2 strains, the fruity chronic juice and the nl x bb both grow at the same rate and are the same height at harvest so if i did 2 then id go with them 2 as they seemed to grow at the same rate, how ever this could be different with hydro,
out of the plants im harvesting now ill sample each and see what i like, then i think its best if i stick with 1 strain the first time round as i dont want to risk any more than i have 2, i wont be starting this for a couple of weeks or more but i can get it all built up ready, i have got 2 identical grow rooms that i can use, so i can build it up and make sure it all fits in and can be pulled in and out ok then its all ready to go when i start the scrog.

im sure ill be more than happy with the results, some growers have problems but some growers have problems with soil, and ive not had that many problems touch wood, its seems common sense is all you need and the plants will just grow fine, ive not suffered with any major problems that i cant deal with, i just think with soil i could of done with a longer veg so i would of get more of a return, but with hydro i can veg for the same amount of time and end up with a plant thats nearly twice as big as the soil grow,

if i have problems i can always switch back to soil, plus ill be running a couple of autos while im doing the scrog, i plan on doing autos in beween all my grows so i know i have got something growing that i can fall back on if i have problems

ill check this water container out at my moms, and see how much it hold, if it holds to much then ill be using loads of nutes and the plants might not use it all before i have to change the water, or would it mean the plants could go longer between res change if i used the bigger tub, i think if i was doing one plant then i could use a bucket, but saying that it would only be a case of having 2 buckets on the platform to grow 2 plants, plus thinking about it if i have 2 seperate res tanks then if 1 of them has problems then the other should be ok,

ill work something out and get something set up, ive got a few weeks to get it sorted out, i need to finish off flowering the plants and the hempies, then i can move the plants i have got in veg and put them under the hps then i can sort out the scrog and get it all set up while them plants are flowering off, that will give me plenty of time to get it all set up and tested before i start the grow,

thanks for the advice mate, ive copied it so i can go back and check everything, but to be honest it sounds pretty easy and a lot less messy than a soil grow, do you think hydro takes longer to dry when you harvest or would you say its about the same, would it be worth draining the res for say the last 24 or 48 hours so the plant uses up all the water and it might dry quicker then, or can that cause problems

 

[Smokemupm8]

Haha yeah your right we gotta wait till it's all dry to see Thanks! and I'm sure I'll be back to grow some day I just don't have time for it right now so it works out that I have so much weed I already don't know what to do with it!



Haha thanks for bumping it over And thank you!



I think we were both misunderstanding each other, I didn't mean any offense to you in my post either. But I'm going to stand by what I'm saying, if there was the most perfect conditions possible for both soil and hydro right next to each other the hydro would win. This is not my opinion, the two are not comparable. With hydro the plant has nutes 100% of the time any time it wants it from start to finish. With soil you have to judge when it's dry or wet and how much and then alternate between feeding and watering. The root structures in a hydro plant gets larger, quicker and most importantly it happens early on in the plants life which is important to get a healthy fast growing plant.

So yes if that is shooting soil down, then it is. It's not a secret, it is a fact. You won't find better conditions then in these grow videos. These are two of the best growers, temp is PERFECT, RH is PERFECT, feeding schedule is PERFECT, ec is PERFECT, same exact sized containers, both plants each get their own 600w HPS, both are started from clones given 2 weeks to clone + 2 weeks veg picking the healthiest 2 plants for the side-by-side... Here's a good one:

The Church grow video - growHD.tv

Well it raises a question to me tho.. With all the extra fluids its absorbing, and the estimate you gave of losing 70% weight while drying.
Well maybe there is a difference in final weight between Soil and Hydro, Soil being not losing as much moisture as theyre not packed full of fluids and if i reduced 28 oz wet to 8 oz dry id be shattered!!! Half a pound is nothing.. I achieved more with out half the work over my last 5 grows??? So maybe there is a difference there?? Im not sure, but that may be the conundrum we face/ yes hydro may grow larger faster as they have everything right there, but maybe they also absorb and hold more water/fluids too.
Thus explaining nearly 70% loss of weight when fluids removed?.. I didnt weigh my whole 5ft plant wet, not sure if it was more than 28 oz? Well all her trimmed bud branches anyway.. I do know that they didnt lose alot of weight. Heres some pics of when she was trimmed to when some had dried.. See what you think bro??

wet..

Dry..

 

[teSmp]

Nope.. Your not right about that. Ask anyone on here, 70%+ of weight is what you will lose ALWAYS. A hydro plants buds holds NO more water the a soil plants. I will gaurentee you that your plant lost 70% of its initial weight from when you first chopped it.. There is no way around it, like I said ask any person on here that has at least a grow or two. Just watch when you harvest this plant, weight at first at harvest and again right before cure I'll bet everything I have that you'll lose 70-75% of the initial weight: So no that's not the answer. I think it's funny you don't believe it, like I said its not my opinion it's a fact. In the end it's only the dry weight that matters.

What do you mean you achieved more with half the work?? I just did 8-9 ounces in 3 months seed to harvest.. That means I could in reality grow two of them in the time you could finish one and have a pound or more.. And in case you didn't know this is the first time I've ever done hydro, everything before this was soil. And yes still 70% tax with soil just like everyone else.

Here is a thread YOU posted in with everyone saying they lose 70-75% weight in it...

Why did I lose so much weight when dried?

 

[teSmp]

@donpaul
Yeah I think 7 gallons would be a good size if you were just going to grow one plant under that 3'x3' screen since you would have a little longer veg then I did. If you were going to do two plants in buckets then just do 2 x 5 gallon buckets. I don't think you'll have any problems with it, it's so easy. You add nutrients to the res, and daily all you have to do is add more nutes or water and adjust pH. It grows itself from there. And no I wouldn't really withhold form watering it, just flush with only water and then cut it. Taking a long time to dry is not a bad thing, I would kill to have my plants take longer to dry.

 

[Smokemupm8]

LOl.. IM SORRY DUDE..
" This is what happens, when an un stoppable force, meets an un-moveable object "
I aint trying to spit in the face of everyone who has TRULY SHOWED the results again and again.. It would just be arrogant and very ignorant on my behalf.
I was thinking... Thats my problem?? I think and think..
I understand that there are given results proven, it would be kind of like me sayin 1+1 = 3!! And IM RIGHT! lol..
To answer your question, i was saying that out of the straight forward xmas tree style grow, compared to scrog, it is less work than making the screen, training all the tips, trimming all undergrowth below the screen, measuring EEC, PPM, RH, making sure PH doesnt fluctuate too much,or any algae on roots or root rot, adding bloom boosters,All chemical nutrients.. Just things like that. I WILL MAYBE USE A HYDRO DWC SYSTEM IN THE FUTURE!! I DO WANT TO TRY IT BRO!!! IN the past ive really only had to provide the growing medium, water and some additional nutrients here and there, and usually move a branch or 2. I never used to check my PH, or RH.. Its something i do check now, as growing at around 35-45%RH is perfect for a few reasons, IMO.. Im dropping mine back down to this from now..
Anyways.. TESMP, please excuse any comments that may be percieved in a derogatory manner, it is not my intent.
And you do not have to send links for me to see trying to prove youre right, i TAKE YOUR WORD BRO
You d know as YOURE doing it?? I just didnt realize that ya lose so much moisture, i mean i know you lose abit, or the outdoor monsters cut down would weigh 35 pounds n shit If i had of weighed my buds wet i probably wouldnt be such a pain in the ass on that matter! I never known anyone to weigh their wet bud s until getting on here!! All the guys ive known personally just dont do it, but yeh ill do it so i have an idea of what im talking about!! Ill be eating my words soon i feel
That flea bay item you posted as reference to ur DWC system, looks simple enuf, do you happen to know if they are available in large sizes??
As if i was to get one id want 40 litres at least i d say.. Thank you for your patience with my stubborness when i have done it then i can give a more educated response about the comparisons and such. I may even just try a sniper grow using that bucket system, if it only needs basic components. I mite buy one this week and start one off as well. If its ready in total 3 months, with an approximate size as yours, id veg a little longer, a week or so maybe and try get a massive plant.. Hmm shit, now im thinking of running 2 grows at same time!! Ill get myself into trouble if i keep this up
Take care teSmp, CONGRATULATIONS on your fine effort bro, and i will wait to see things happen before i say its for sure ok! Soz mate!
Smokem

 

[CronicHempHog]

just stopped by to say hello

 

[invi]

Regarding this hydro debate - if the plant needs to grow a lot (cover a huge area) then hydro will matter a lot in yield. But you can help this by having more plants, so each needs to grow less - you can get 800g wet off under same conditions in soil if you have 2 plants instead of one easily.

 

[GreeenFingers]

I understand how hydro greatly increases yield but it is very well reported from many many sources and articles that the quality of the bud from hydro just isn't as good as organically grown.

From the author of the cannabible 1 + 2 ( hope you dont mind me posting this Tesmp ) but it is valuable information that I am sure you will all appreciate

In order for ganja to express its full dazzling array of flavor and all the subtle tones that are available, it simply must be grown organically. I know that many hydro growers would disagree until the end of time with me on this one, but it's true. Being the author of The Cannabible 1 and 2, I have been fortunate enough to sample many different growers? attempts at the same strain, even from clone, and with the exception of the Chem strain, the organic always tastes better. (For the full story of the Chem, see Cannabible 2.)

This is not to say that properly grown hydro can?t taste delicious. Sometimes it can be very delicious indeed. But that same strain grown organically will have a more diverse and, well, satisfying flavor, and certainly a better aftertaste. Ten or twenty years ago, I can understand why hydro growers would have been resistant to switch to organics ? too heavy, stinky, and messy. Luckily, this is not the case today. There are many brands of organic fertilizers and liquified nutrients that are potent and easy to use, manageable, not too messy or smelly, and affordable as well. Any good grow store should have a selection of such products.

The big reason why most chemical hydro growers keep on using chemicals is they think their bottom line ? yield ? would be lower with organics. This is simply not the case. Properly grown organics will yield just as much ? or more ? as using chemicals. I have conducted experiments that have proven this time and time again. And even if the yield is a little less, it would still be worth it, considering the quality is greatly enhanced. Better herb is worth more money, if that's what you're looking for.

Bottom line is this. Plants, like humans, do not want to be fed (or treated with) chemicals. And just like a human can live (for a while) on fast food, cigarettes, and beer, they will not be thriving. It?s the same with a plant. Though chemically fed hydroponic plants might look healthy on the outside for a while, they are not thriving on the inside. All the chemicals only serve to weaken the defenses of the plant, just like they do in a human.

Nature's way of dealing with these weakened plants is to send bugs, viruses, molds, and other pathogen to eliminate the weak specimens. (Survival of the fittest, remember?) Again, this is the same way it works with humans. The answer, contrary to what the chemical peddlers will tell you, is not to spray on more chemicals! One only needs to take a brief glimpse at what chemical agriculture has done to modern farming and farmers to understand this. Millions of acres of rich, fertile farmland have been reduced to barren, toxic, dead wasteland.
All this from being repeatedly doused (drowned) with what our government calls ?safe? chemicals and fertilizers. Why repeat this destructive cycle in your grow? Consider this ? one of the main techniques I use to judge herb is to roll a joint (with a Club rolling paper) and pay particular attention to the second half of the joint. This is where the true test comes in. Any decent herb can taste good on the first few hits of a joint, but it?s truly special herb that tastes great right down to the last hit, with the roach burning your fingers! Most of the herb I come across tastes like hot tarry smoke by the second half of a joint, and this loses major points in my books. Properly grown (and flushed!) organic herb almost always tastes great down to the end of a joint. Chemically grown herb almost always tastes like ?schwill? by the second half. Try this experiment yourself, and I think you will agree.

The second half of a bowl or bong hit also clearly reveals the benefits of organics. With chemically fed hydro, you end up with a black cruddy ball of harsh carcinogens by the second half of your bowl. With properly grown organics, it tastes delicious down to the last hit, when it will easily blow away as a clean gray ash.

 

[teSmp]

LOl.. IM SORRY DUDE..
" This is what happens, when an un stoppable force, meets an un-moveable object "
I aint trying to spit in the face of everyone who has TRULY SHOWED the results again and again.. It would just be arrogant and very ignorant on my behalf.
I was thinking... Thats my problem?? I think and think..
I understand that there are given results proven, it would be kind of like me sayin 1+1 = 3!! And IM RIGHT! lol..
To answer your question, i was saying that out of the straight forward xmas tree style grow, compared to scrog, it is less work than making the screen, training all the tips, trimming all undergrowth below the screen, measuring EEC, PPM, RH, making sure PH doesnt fluctuate too much,or any algae on roots or root rot, adding bloom boosters,All chemical nutrients.. Just things like that. I WILL MAYBE USE A HYDRO DWC SYSTEM IN THE FUTURE!! I DO WANT TO TRY IT BRO!!! IN the past ive really only had to provide the growing medium, water and some additional nutrients here and there, and usually move a branch or 2. I never used to check my PH, or RH.. Its something i do check now, as growing at around 35-45%RH is perfect for a few reasons, IMO.. Im dropping mine back down to this from now..
Anyways.. TESMP, please excuse any comments that may be percieved in a derogatory manner, it is not my intent.
And you do not have to send links for me to see trying to prove youre right, i TAKE YOUR WORD BRO
You d know as YOURE doing it?? I just didnt realize that ya lose so much moisture, i mean i know you lose abit, or the outdoor monsters cut down would weigh 35 pounds n shit If i had of weighed my buds wet i probably wouldnt be such a pain in the ass on that matter! I never known anyone to weigh their wet bud s until getting on here!! All the guys ive known personally just dont do it, but yeh ill do it so i have an idea of what im talking about!! Ill be eating my words soon i feel
That flea bay item you posted as reference to ur DWC system, looks simple enuf, do you happen to know if they are available in large sizes??
As if i was to get one id want 40 litres at least i d say.. Thank you for your patience with my stubborness when i have done it then i can give a more educated response about the comparisons and such. I may even just try a sniper grow using that bucket system, if it only needs basic components. I mite buy one this week and start one off as well. If its ready in total 3 months, with an approximate size as yours, id veg a little longer, a week or so maybe and try get a massive plant.. Hmm shit, now im thinking of running 2 grows at same time!! Ill get myself into trouble if i keep this up
Take care teSmp, CONGRATULATIONS on your fine effort bro, and i will wait to see things happen before i say its for sure ok! Soz mate!
Smokem

Well I guess we just like growing differently all together. I love the hands on attention of LST'ing, SCROG'ing, even checking and adjusting pH/ppm. Growing it straight up (which I've done before) is rather boring in my opinion, you don't do anything except let it grow. I have never used that DWC that I posted a link for but I just use an air pump with an air stone in the bottom of a 5 gallon bucket. I don't think you'll need a 10 gallon bucket unless your going to let it get really big, like 2+ months of veg.

just stopped by to say hello

Thanks for coming by, hello to you

Regarding this hydro debate - if the plant needs to grow a lot (cover a huge area) then hydro will matter a lot in yield. But you can help this by having more plants, so each needs to grow less - you can get 800g wet off under same conditions in soil if you have 2 plants instead of one easily.

I don't agree.. I can stick two hydro plants in the spot where you are saying you'd stick to soil plants. They would finish faster and yield more. I don't get why adding more plants would mean anything differently, yes less veg time. But if you had more plants still in hydro they'd still veg faster and yield more. In a simple example: Stick two 2L's filled with soil and and two 2L DWC-H (Hydro) and the hydro ones will typically finish faster and will yield MORE. I just did this with a hydro 2L and a hempy 2L.. The hydro one blew it out of the water. The same would go with a hydro and soil test.

I understand how hydro greatly increases yield but it is very well reported from many many sources and articles that the quality of the bud from hydro just isn't as good as organically grown.

From the author of the cannabible 1 + 2 ( hope you dont mind me posting this Tesmp ) but it is valuable information that I am sure you will all appreciate

Feel free to post what you want However, to me the difference is negligible. No matter what I'll use chemicals in my soil plants and chemicals in my hydro plants. So it wouldn't apply to me either way. However, since I've started growing again 6 months ago I've grown 3 soil plants, 1 hempy plant, 3 hydro plants.. The taste and smell from the hydro plants I like a lot more then my 3 soil plants. So to me, I don't really care that others think soil will taste better. Even if there was a slight difference (which I can't tell) I would rather yield more. Taste isn't what I'm after anyways its sleep!

 

[invi]

I don't agree.. I can stick two hydro plants in the spot where you are saying you'd stick to soil plants.

Correct - what i said was you would get the same result or just a bit more with 2 plants in soil vs 1 plant hydro under same time.

I understand how hydro greatly increases yield but it is very well reported from many many sources and articles that the quality of the bud from hydro just isn't as good as organically grown.

From the author of the cannabible 1 + 2 ( hope you dont mind me posting this Tesmp ) but it is valuable information that I am sure you will all appreciate

Well said..
I'm sure there are quite a few things happening between soil and plant that we have no idea of. You can probly pull off a hydro grow with the basic nutes containing maybe less than 30 type of chemicals - sure there are more of those in soil by a few 0s. I can compare it to fruits - grown in hydro is huge looks awesome but lacks the taste, bio-soil ones are small ugly and delicious

Not that i didn't stuff my soil grown girls with chemicals as much as i could

 

[Smokemupm8]

Lol.. Wow, this is CRAZEE!! Its all good, thanks for not taking this to heart bro!
As i said i have no comparisons personally, so the growers such as urself, who have grown both ways and are well versed in growing smoko and have gotten fairly constant similar results, are able to give this perspective.
The differences in taste dont really bother me as long as it dont taste like leaf - or harsh, i need weed for sleep also mate. This is why i try to flower til about 15/20% amber trichs. I am a heavy smoker and it takes a bit or nice weed to get stoned.
Ive had 6 police driving drug saliva tests and passed em all, even after blowin one out as i walked out my door! GREEN IS IN MY VEINS!!! lol
So i use weed for my anxiety n anger with my Bi-polar, it mellows me and allows me to think slower rather than the racing thoughts of mania..
This is why ive taken to GYO, cos my suppliers SUCK and dont get any regular good weed. I love the results of ur grows mate! You re one of my inspirations, so im sorry ive butted heads with ya, i wasnt trying to make you look bad or start a protest on Hydro vs soil..
That wasnt an intention of mine by no means, there s 2 sides to a coin, 2 sides to every story.. THIS BEING THE SAME IMO..
I agree Hydro s faster, and i cant argue with the results of your grow.. I am a soil grower for now, but mate i can assure you that in good time, I will have me one of them Hydro's I also am going to buy some good t5's/t8's CFL;s to see if i can get my plants to blow up like ive seen some with these lights. I wont be flowering with them, im sticking with my 600w HPS for that! But as some veg growth ive seen using them has been close to hydro results growth wise, im intrigued by them and may run a twin grow at a later date..
Alrighty then buddy, cheers for bein such a trooper on this lil battle of good vs evil And will chat soon TESMP

 

[PhilPebbles]

Thats sweet..The Bud is great also.. Anyway, Im gettin ready to start my own DWC and not sure how I wanna set it up?

 

[PhilPebbles]

Heres a few pics of my soil grow (my 1st ever grow) I did a little LST training and then started a Scrog over my 2 girls. These are clones from a buddie that grew outside..

 

[CanuckGal]

Looks really great dude! I just showed my buddy your scrog, and we are going to make one in the next week or so. I'll test out my weaving skills to support some dense buds. I'm pumped!

Thanks for having a great example to work off of!