Tangwena's Malawi-Style Cob Cure: Fermented Cannabis

tangwena said:
Hi my friend the amber resin content of buds is no longer needed just go by the maturity of the flowers calyx size resin coverage and amber pistils. Pull at different stages of maturation for different effects. I never look at the resin color just the maturity of the flowers.
The resin is going to change so much during fermentation amber content is superfluous. The trippiest cob I have made was from early harvested Panama that was all clear resin before the cure.
You only need amber resin if your going to dry the bud at that point and halt any changes from that point on to make hashish.
Scoping resin on the buds is in my opinion not needed at all with this cure.
Not many people agree with me but I am of the opinion that plants should be cured whole before making hashish or at the very least the hashish itself should be cured.
I had a friend in England who's dad refused to smoke the hash sold in England from his home in Lebanon as he said it was uncured green resin. He said his Dads family had always cured their hash bricks before smoking. I never asked him how they did it but a quick google search should turn up a few ways.
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I've only been growing for 3.5 years, and I'm just now beginning to play with varying the harvest window. I find your thoughts on ignoring the resin color intriguing. It's known that to get higher CBD values you harvest early, which is why I started playing with timelines. I grow for my daughter and her base medicine oil is a CBD dominant.

Your comments make perfect sense. The amber coloration is suggestive of the conversion of THCa to THC, making the buds more euphoric, but the fermentation process accelerates this transformation anyway. I've instinctively harvested my plants when they were just beginning to go amber, and it's gratifying to notice that my cosmic inspiration was on target all along. :slide:

Breaking out the Carnival cob. :yahoo: I've settled into a dose of around 0.4 grams. That seems to do it for me at the moment. If there's still any left at the 3-month point those doses may be smaller. :battingeyelashes:
 
As I finished swallowing the last bite of brownie, walking to the coffee and conversation group I meet with twice a month, it occurred to me that I’d forgotten that I just chewed up at least 0.5 gr of cob while I showered.

Oops!
 
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SweetSue said:
As I finished swallowing the last bite of brownie, walking to the coffee and conversation group I meet with twice a month, it occurred to me that I’d forgotten that I just chewed up at least 0.5 gr of cob while I showered.

Oops!
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Ground control to Major @SweetSue :cool:
 
Happy Monday/Tuesday all you Cobsters!!!! Hope this finds you all happy & high!! Now........somebody hand me a piece of cob to chew please! Bwahahaha :drool:
 
DrDoob said:
Lol their in for some interesting conversation this week for sure.
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I can be overpowering. Lol! Calling BINGO twice a week gave me a stronger voice, and we all know I'm opinionated. Lol! I did my best to be accommodating. I had a physical tremor going the entire time. :battingeyelashes:

The tremor may have been mostly from the brownie. 75 mg of THC with lecithin to drive it's action will have that effect anyway. On top of the cob.....whew! I'll have to say, I was lucid the entire time, and as rational as I can be, but Doob can testify, I can be a strong energy to come up against. There's a member of our group that keeps trying to reign me back. Lol! Silly girl. :rofl:

The cobs add that blissed-out interaction with the universe at large. My daughter smiles indulgently every time I pause in conversation and proclaim right out loud "I am so freakin' happy!" *giggle*
 
Nightmask2 said:
I'm sure you didn't intend it that way but it really looks like you completely dismissed my comments by zeroing in on one tiny part of my post and ignoring everything else. Your entire post was about the amber and that apparently not making any difference yet you ignored the rest of what I said and focused on just the amber. Please read again "all the other variables of the plant chemovar, amber amount, harvest time, nutrients, lights, etc." I didn't talk about just amber I mentioned a whole heap of variables but you dismissed everything else because apparently amber makes no difference. So fair enough amber may not make much of a difference but the other variables do which you ignored by focusing on just the amber.

And regardless of if amber resin has any effect on the cob my other comments still stands which you again completely dismissed. "Same plant so same base material and the only difference is how you cob it. This would give lots of information on the effects because the only variables you alter is the cob/cure/ferment". So again regardless of if amber makes any difference if you use the same plant (say 3 ounces worth) and cob/cure/ferment that one plant into 3 different 1 ounce cobs and only change the cob/cure length/process then like I said that will give you much more information on what effects you get from different lengths of cure/ferment. If you "Pull at different stages of maturation for different effects" like you said then your variables are not just cobbing/curing/fermenting but also the different harvest times and maturation (which would also mean different amounts of light, days alive, watering and nutrients, and other variables) so you'd have no idea which variable you altered had which effect which is why if you really want to do a proper test on the effects of cobbing you need to use the same base material and only alter the cobbing process. You can of course do it your way and "Pull at different stages of maturation for different effects" but to do a proper test for that you'd need to cob/cure the exact same way and only alter the variable of harvest time.

Am I speaking English? Am I not explaining myself properly?
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Sorry if I have offended you my friend I did not intend to.
I have no idea why they turn out like they do I just mention my observations and share them. Others can worry about the where and why I cant answer those questions.
Also when I post comments I am usually very high and depending on what cob I am on they can vary between very useful and unintelligent drivel mostly the later. So again I apologise if you felt that I ignored your comments in your post it was not intentional.
I dont get into the science behind this process as I dont know how or why things happen only how to make it happen.
I agree with everything you said and only mentioned the amber resin because its something I think is not needed in this process.
 
@SweetSue if I can make a suggestion here. Have this thread closed with a post at the end that reference's a new Cobbing round 2 thread. In the beginning of the new thread reference this old one and then list all the corrections there. This could be done every few months and a person would only have to go back to the first post of that thread to get the latest. If you wanted history you would have the link there to the earlier thread for research.
 
SweetSue said:
75 mg of THC with lecithin to drive it's action will have that effect anyway.
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Omg!!!! Remind me to be careful when we visit. 75mg of THC would put me down for the count. My regular dose is about 5mg. Lol
 
tangwena said:
Sorry if I have offended you my friend I did not intend to.
I have no idea why they turn out like they do I just mention my observations and share them. Others can worry about the where and why I cant answer those questions.
Also when I post comments I am usually very high and depending on what cob I am on they can vary between very useful and unintelligent drivel mostly the later. So again I apologise if you felt that I ignored your comments in your post it was not intentional.
I dont get into the science behind this process as I dont know how or why things happen only how to make it happen.
I agree with everything you said and only mentioned the amber resin because its something I think is not needed in this process.
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All good, misunderstandings happen. It's just being ignored is possibly my biggest pet peeve and when your entire post talked about 1 word in mine and ignored everything else, well yeah.

I'm usually high too, but not cob high. Can't wait for my first taste whenever I get around to doing it.

You not getting into the science stuff but knowing what to make it happen is great and hella useful (I'm pretty sure this entire thread/process is your idea) but to really get to the how and why it happens you really need the sciency types. That's where I and others come in. And that's why this community is great because all sorts are here.

As for the sciency stuff if you really want to learn how and why you need to keep as many variables the same as possible and only alter one or a minimal amount of variables so you can narrow in on what does what effect. For example, if you take from different plants at different times and use different cobbing methods you'd have no idea what did what (well after a while you'd get a feel for it but that's not very specific). But if you can keep most of your variables the same and only alter the variables you wanna test (say one plant divided into several cobs) then you know what caused the different effect. Using the same plant divided into several cobs if you did everything the same (same plant) but did a 2, 3, and 4 week cure, or 2, 4, 6 week ferment, or whatever, then you'd know for sure that the different effects are because of only the differences in cure/ferment/whatever because that's the only variable you altered. Or you can do it your way and alter the harvest variable at different times but keep the cure/ferment/cobbing process exactly the same so you can hone in on the different effects of harvesting at different times by keep the variables of cobbing the same. Does that makes sense?
 
SweetSue said:
I believe you are speaking English, but a little hard on the word choice, suggesting that something's amiss in your world that we aren't privy to. Tangwena meant no offense Night. :hugs:

We haven't been at this process here for four months yet, and it's to be expected that our initial reaction will be more excitement than science. As we move forward all the variables will be tampered with and documented, that information shared, and we can begin to get to the nitty gritty. First we learn technique, then we begin to get all scientific. Early harvest effects are new to many of us, a whole new rabbit hole to tumble down. Lol!

For now I'd like us to continue this playful attitude the cobs inspire. We'll get to the science soon enough.

I'd been considering putting together a modification to the first post because we have discovered that the dehydrators work well for the sweat as well as for the fermentation stage, with modification. I was planning to let it all run for six months before editing the opening post, by which time we'd have more cobs done and more experience with the effects. I wasn't planning on it taking off like this.

I'll see what I can pull together and have a mod do an edit switch for me. Hopefully I'll get to it this week.
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I'm not sure about something being amiss in my world but there most certainly is a lot of stuff going on you're not privy to. I'm trying to play nice but some things irk me. I shall try not to be irked. Maybe I just need to get into cobbing asap so I can type while going on a space flight.

I noticed the four months only thing but with the 2100+ posts it seemed much longer. My grasp of time gets a little wonky sometimes. Sorry if I seemed a little pushy with the "do science #$%@" instead of "have lots of fun with it first". My analytical mind often gets too far ahead of me. Since I'm not even cobbing yet myself I think I should back off from the thread and let everyone enjoy instead of dealing with my salty ass.
 
Nightmask2 said:
I'm not sure about something being amiss in my world but there most certainly is a lot of stuff going on you're not privy to. I'm trying to play nice but some things irk me. I shall try not to be irked. Maybe I just need to get into cobbing asap so I can type while going on a space flight.

I noticed the four months only thing but with the 2100+ posts it seemed much longer. My grasp of time gets a little wonky sometimes. Sorry if I seemed a little pushy with the "do science #$%@" instead of "have lots of fun with it first". My analytical mind often gets too far ahead of me. Since I'm not even cobbing yet myself I think I should back off from the thread and let everyone enjoy instead of dealing with my salty ass.
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Awww.... we like your salty ass. Please don’t leave. We can learn not to be offended by each other. :hugs:
 
Nightmask2 said:
All good, misunderstandings happen. It's just being ignored is possibly my biggest pet peeve and when your entire post talked about 1 word in mine and ignored everything else, well yeah.

I'm usually high too, but not cob high. Can't wait for my first taste whenever I get around to doing it.

You not getting into the science stuff but knowing what to make it happen is great and hella useful (I'm pretty sure this entire thread/process is your idea) but to really get to the how and why it happens you really need the sciency types. That's where I and others come in. And that's why this community is great because all sorts are here.

As for the sciency stuff if you really want to learn how and why you need to keep as many variables the same as possible and only alter one or a minimal amount of variables so you can narrow in on what does what effect. For example, if you take from different plants at different times and use different cobbing methods you'd have no idea what did what (well after a while you'd get a feel for it but that's not very specific). But if you can keep most of your variables the same and only alter the variables you wanna test (say one plant divided into several cobs) then you know what caused the different effect. Using the same plant divided into several cobs if you did everything the same (same plant) but did a 2, 3, and 4 week cure, or 2, 4, 6 week ferment, or whatever, then you'd know for sure that the different effects are because of only the differences in cure/ferment/whatever because that's the only variable you altered. Or you can do it your way and alter the harvest variable at different times but keep the cure/ferment/cobbing process exactly the same so you can hone in on the different effects of harvesting at different times by keep the variables of cobbing the same. Does that makes sense?
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I got really excited reading this about what’s ahead for us as the years roll by. :slide:
 
JustMeds said:
@SweetSue if I can make a suggestion here. Have this thread closed with a post at the end that reference's a new Cobbing round 2 thread. In the beginning of the new thread reference this old one and then list all the corrections there. This could be done every few months and a person would only have to go back to the first post of that thread to get the latest. If you wanted history you would have the link there to the earlier thread for research.
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This is a great idea JustMeds. :hugs: Let me toy with the idea. I have a new sponsored journal getting ready to launch with Timber, but after I get that up and running I’ll tend to this directly.
 
Nightmask2 said:
All good, misunderstandings happen. It's just being ignored is possibly my biggest pet peeve and when your entire post talked about 1 word in mine and ignored everything else, well yeah.

I'm usually high too, but not cob high. Can't wait for my first taste whenever I get around to doing it.

You not getting into the science stuff but knowing what to make it happen is great and hella useful (I'm pretty sure this entire thread/process is your idea) but to really get to the how and why it happens you really need the sciency types. That's where I and others come in. And that's why this community is great because all sorts are here.

As for the sciency stuff if you really want to learn how and why you need to keep as many variables the same as possible and only alter one or a minimal amount of variables so you can narrow in on what does what effect. For example, if you take from different plants at different times and use different cobbing methods you'd have no idea what did what (well after a while you'd get a feel for it but that's not very specific). But if you can keep most of your variables the same and only alter the variables you wanna test (say one plant divided into several cobs) then you know what caused the different effect. Using the same plant divided into several cobs if you did everything the same (same plant) but did a 2, 3, and 4 week cure, or 2, 4, 6 week ferment, or whatever, then you'd know for sure that the different effects are because of only the differences in cure/ferment/whatever because that's the only variable you altered. Or you can do it your way and alter the harvest variable at different times but keep the cure/ferment/cobbing process exactly the same so you can hone in on the different effects of harvesting at different times by keep the variables of cobbing the same. Does that makes sense?
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No worries my friend we move on. It will always be hard to get exactly the right cure as once you have one set of parameters to the point that you can reproduce a particular cure consistently on one plant.
Another plant will need to be treated differently due to different structure oils terps and resins.
The best cured tobacco is still cured by master curers who test and sample the leaf at varies stages in the cure as it cant be automated and needs a human to use his eyes and nose.
I think the best we will get is a set of general guidelines it will still be up to the individual curers and some people will always be able to pull off a good cure while others can never get it right even using the same set of directions.
Its an art the best you can do is teach the basics and then its a creative endeavour.
I will be amazed if science can understand it as it has not been able to do it with tobacco just a general understanding of what happens.
Tobacco companies still employ master curers to oversee the curing of tobacco.
These are just my thoughts on a cold rainy day on a certain half gram of a certain cob. They may not be the same tomorrow or the next day.
 
JustMeds said:
@SweetSue if I can make a suggestion here. Have this thread closed with a post at the end that reference's a new Cobbing round 2 thread. In the beginning of the new thread reference this old one and then list all the corrections there. This could be done every few months and a person would only have to go back to the first post of that thread to get the latest. If you wanted history you would have the link there to the earlier thread for research.
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Another forum I am a member on did exactly the same except they didn't close the original thread so members could choose which thread they got info from.
The new recipes and instructions were posted in the new thread and that was all that was allowed no comments. It was like a mirror of the main thread with the same info in both. Just the bare bones in the new one to make it easier for people who only wanted recipes and results without the banter.
Its still only 3 pages long so easy to reference while the open thread is way too long for research but a lot more entertaining.
 
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