SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

Good morning.

I haven't posted here in awhile because I got behind on reading and life is just too busy to keep up with all my 420 threads.

Anywho... The reason I'm posting this morning is because I need to make more anti-anxiety meds but the anti-anxiety meds I have been using don't work as well as they used to. I was using Northern Lights, which was an indica-leaning auto with around 18% THC. I want to "make" some new oil that will come out as a 2:1 ratio of CBD:THC. I have the following to use:

- Lullaby, a sativa that has 20% CBD and less than 1% THC
- Northern Lights, an indica-leaning auto with around 18% THC
- CB Dutch Treat, a sativa that has 4% THC and 8% CBD
- Cannatonic, a hybrid with 5% THC and 8% CBD
- Hash Plant, an indica-leaning auto with 12.1% THC and 3.5% THC

Could someone please help me come up with a recipe that suits my needs?

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Honestly, what I do is use two capsules or oil

My THC oil, and CBD oil

Much easier to adjust the dose
Need more THC, take more, need more CBD, ditto ditto

When all is combined into one oil, well it is what it is

Hope this Sparks some thoughts for ya
 
Hi HashGirl, long time no see!

If you made an oil from each of your produces independently, you could adjust which capsule combination treats your anxiety most effectively. Cannatonic is a real winner for many medical purposes, including anxiety. If you have five different capsule profiles, you can easily mix if up to determine what works best for your condition. Perhaps you might use smaller capsules or half fill your current size capsules to allow for multiple chemovars in your dosing without accidentally overdoing it. Just a thought, we are all guinea pigs figuring it out as we go. I've been treating my son with various types over time to determine what works best for his condition and challenges.

It's Saturday ... off to have some fun!

Peace
Keith
 
KeifKeith said:
Hi HashGirl, long time no see!

If you made an oil from each of your produces independently, you could adjust which capsule combination treats your anxiety most effectively. Cannatonic is a real winner for many medical purposes, including anxiety. If you have five different capsule profiles, you can easily mix if up to determine what works best for your condition. Perhaps you might use smaller capsules or half fill your current size capsules to allow for multiple chemovars in your dosing without accidentally overdoing it. Just a thought, we are all guinea pigs figuring it out as we go. I've been treating my son with various types over time to determine what works best for his condition and challenges.

It's Saturday ... off to have some fun!

Peace
Keith
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Chris Scorpio said:
Honestly, what I do is use two capsules or oil

My THC oil, and CBD oil

Much easier to adjust the dose
Need more THC, take more, need more CBD, ditto ditto

When all is combined into one oil, well it is what it is

Hope this Sparks some thoughts for ya
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Thank you, Chris and Keith. I was hoping for more of an actual recipe as it's simpler (once I figure how much of everything). Capsules are kind of a pain anyways so doing half of each capsule with one kind and the other half another kind sounds very time consuming and though it sounds very scientific and practical, I'm not sure it's what I want to do.

As for using the capsules by just taking more of one or the other depending on how it's working is what I'm currently doing but part of the problem with that is that I'm also taking canna capsules for pain relief (CB Dutch Treat) and insomnia (Hash Plant) and menopause symptoms (Lullaby) [although I'm not sure it's helping at all] along with canna pain cream and there is a real worry that I could accidentally get high at work (one of the places I feel more anxious) and I know this could happen because it's already happened to me twice.

Highway driving is another anxiety-inducing activity so if I'm driving, I need to make sure I'm not high.

I do appreciate your input so :thanks:

@Oldbear - I have your Concentration & Dosage Calculator spreadsheet and the bottom part has a section for blends but I don't know how to use that part as I've never used it before and I wonder if you could help me out?
 
Maybe I'm confused by your post, but if you have the Dutch Dream at 8:4 then you're done. That's 2:1 right there. No need to blend other chemovars unless you want different terpene profiles. Then Oldbear's spreadsheet would work. Have you used it for single strain capsules?
 
Hi Shed.

I use the CB Dutch Dream for daytime pain relief and as far as I can tell it doesn't help much with my anxiety and it's a sativa. Sue recommends an indica. We're having issues germinating seeds this spring and the CBD Critical Cure she uses for her daughter is one that we were going to grow but none of the seeds germinated.
 
Gotcha! I'm not at my computer at the moment so I can't run the spreadsheet, but I'm guessing it's going to be a blend of the Lullaby, the NL, and the Cannatonic. When I get back I'll see what I can put together if someone hasn't gotten to it first.
 
Thanks, Shed, that would be AWESOME!

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Hash Girl, could you be more specific about how you’re dosing now? Which capsules you take and in what schedule you’re currently using would give a better idea of what to tweak.

The anxiety seems to be the primary condition to treat here. If that’s controlled the insomnia will be more responsive to treatment. Treating menopause symptoms with cannabis is still a mystery to me. When I found cannabis therapeutics I was already into menopause. I have little contact with the symptoms anymore in my daily circle.

Isn’t it great to have Shed around with his proficiency with the spreadsheet? :hugs:

Chris, I like your idea about separate capsules. That fluidity of dosing works well for you. May I ask, what changes have you noted in your own body and manic brain since you started using oils like this?
 
SweetSue said:
Hash Girl, could you be more specific about how you’re dosing now? Which capsules you take and in what schedule you’re currently using would give a better idea of what to tweak.

The anxiety seems to be the primary condition to treat here. If that’s controlled the insomnia will be more responsive to treatment. Treating menopause symptoms with cannabis is still a mystery to me. When I found cannabis therapeutics I was already into menopause. I have little contact with the symptoms anymore in my daily circle.

Isn’t it great to have Shed around with his proficiency with the spreadsheet? :hugs:

Chris, I like your idea about separate capsules. That fluidity of dosing works well for you. May I ask, what changes have you noted in your own body and manic brain since you started using oils like this?
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Hi Sue.

I'm currently dosing with Northern Lights, an indica with around 18% THC in size 00 capsules. They were made with 12g of bud and 130 ml of sunflower oil.

Typically, I take one at breakfast on work days (when I have to leave the safety of my home) and I usually take 2 before I have dinner with my dad. Sometimes, he really knows how to push my buttons and I find I do better with their help.

Sometimes, I take a couple at lunch instead of my pain meds if I'm having a tough day.

And, I always take a whole bunch when we have to drive on the highway Toronto way because that's where I'm the most anxious for the most part and that's one of the reasons I'm looking for something else because I shouldn't have to take a bunch of capsules to relax. There has to be a more efficient way.

I also forgot to mention that I have a balanced 1:1 ratio of THC/CBD CCO. Could I use that to make an anti-anxiety bio-bomb, Sue?
 
My daughter has the CBD CC that she takes four times a day, on schedule. She has alarms on the phone so there’s no chance she’ll miss a dose. This is the baseline she attributes with getting her anxiety down to manageable levels.

When she knows she has a stressor ahead she uses vaping or brownies. The difference is in the timing of the dose. It’s notable that she doesn’t have the stress of work. She tried, and after she found herself in the bathroom floor in fetal position she gave that dream up for now.

For sleep it’s a brownie dose, typically about 25-30 mg of THC.

It’s the consistent micro dosing of the capsules that carries the heavy weight. Get that down and you can more safely dose for extra stressors. Spreading it over four doses helps the system level out without too much euphoria to function in the necessary social settings.
 
Also Hash Girl, she and I were discussing how she uses the topical to counteract anxiety. She pays particular attention to the neck area, covering all of it really, as well as the temples and the upper chest, much like you’d apply a medication for chest congestion.

All of these areas tense with anxiety and the topical application keeps tension down and lightens the mood.
 
SweetSue said:
Also Hash Girl, she and I were discussing how she uses the topical to counteract anxiety. She pays particular attention to the neck area, covering all of it really, as well as the temples and the upper chest, much like you’d apply a medication for chest congestion.

All of these areas tense with anxiety and the topical application keeps tension down and lightens the mood.
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Interesting. I would never have thought to use a topical for anxiety. Thanks, Sue, I'll keep this in mind.

I should try the micro-dosing thing but I'm still not convinced that the Northern is the strain I should be using. I feel like it's sort of the same as taking Gravol (Dimenhydrinate) to help me sleep, which I used to do.

And, the other problem with micro-dosing is that I need to make it work with at least my daytime pain meds since I'm not comfortable enough to be high at work. I could try the micro-dosing when I'm on vacation though. It won't matter as much then if I accidentally get high but I'll be on vacation so the goal will be to get high. :battingeyelashes: And, besides that, I'm typically not anxious on vacation but maybe I'll try it anyways, whatever it is. :hmmmm:
 
The pain you treat, wherever it is..... use more topicals. I give away a lot of roller bottles full of cannabis oil, the blue ones Shed turned me on to, and when I give them away I encourage people to use them every time something goes "ouch!" Cannabis topicals do more than relieve pain. Use them more often. :battingeyelashes: :Love:
 
So, do you think I should stick with the Northern then and not worry about creating an indica oil with 2:1 ratio of CBD to THC?
 
I'm back! I had never used the spreadsheet for blends before and was always thinking you could blend three different cultivars for the final oil, but it turns out that it will do two of the three you enter.

Here is what I've got for a 2:1 CBD:THC using the specs @HashGirl provided, and using a standard of 4 oz oil for each cultivar, for a total of an 8 oz blend:
10 grams NL and 20 grams Lullaby will give you 11.3 : 5.7
or
5 grams NL and 30 grams Hash Plant will give you 10.3 : 5.5

If you want a lower total cannabinoid profile for each 1ml capsule you can dilute after you blend.

Hope that helps if you decide to go with a 2:1. If you need other numbers let me know!
 
HashGirl said:
So, do you think I should stick with the Northern then and not worry about creating an indica oil with 2:1 ratio of CBD to THC?
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I think it's worth trying to get a 2:1 indica-dominant oil and micro-dose for a couple weeks to see how it goes. I'd choose the plant matter by following my nose. Which terpenes draw you in more? Look for them. They'll be found in the indica plants that appeal to you most. It takes a bit of thinking and exploring to find the chemovars that work best for you.

Smoking and vaping, or even tinctures will have a very different effect than oil through the gut, meaning there's no guarantee that what works when you vape will work when you ingest.

I know, it's like a mystery you wish someone could give you the simple answer to. This is the joy of cannabis therapeutics, we all end up lab rats. :rofl:

What chemovar has had the most positive effect on your anxiety levels?

Have you considered the possibility that your body gets anxious when you introduce an excess of THC? Are there any balanced chemovars you've tried? That 1:1 ratio is the gold standard for chronic pain, but almost no one uses a medicine in that ratio.

You have the desire Hash Girl. That means the universe is bringing you the answer to fulfill that desire. The more you can accept that it's an inevitable thing the faster we're going to find the formulation that works for you. I accept it. I know you'll find it. :battingeyelashes:
 
InTheShed said:
I'm back! I had never used the spreadsheet for blends before and was always thinking you could blend three different cultivars for the final oil, but it turns out that it will do two of the three you enter.

Here is what I've got for a 2:1 CBD:THC using the specs @HashGirl provided, and using a standard of 4 oz oil for each cultivar, for a total of an 8 oz blend:
10 grams NL and 20 grams Lullaby will give you 11.3 : 5.7
or
5 grams NL and 30 grams Hash Plant will give you 10.3 : 5.5

If you want a lower total cannabinoid profile for each 1ml capsule you can dilute after you blend.

Hope that helps if you decide to go with a 2:1. If you need other numbers let me know!
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Thank you, Shed. You ROCK! Reps to you.
 
HashGirl said:
@Oldbear - I have your Concentration & Dosage Calculator spreadsheet and the bottom part has a section for blends but I don't know how to use that part as I've never used it before and I wonder if you could help me out?
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Hi Hashgirl 2 parts lullaby with 1 part Northern Lights will be very close. To use the sheet for a blend, fiddle with the quantities (ML rows in yellow ) and it will do the rest. The Dutch treat is already 2 to 1 I see so using just that will be fine. ML is milliliters.

Simple way to make it is to adjust the volume of plant material to get to the ratio. Example 10 grams Lullaby to 5 grams NL will be what you are after. The dutch treat as is will have lower cannabinoid load than the mix but a similar ratio. Could be used when you need to travel.
 
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