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Dear Sue and all the fellow oilers. I'm getting close to making my 3rd batch of oil for pain relief and general anti-inflammatory systemic support. Previously I've used the 36hr low oven decarb/defuse and this has been good. .. This time, however, I have the buds from my first CBD plant to make it with! Whoot!

Recently there's been some discussions about decarb'ing first by baking in the oven and then doing a shorter infusion time. I'm not able to trawl back through the threads to find out more about this so I'm hoping someone will help me out with a link or by giving me a run down.

I can use the 36hr version again, but if there's a more efficient way I'm all for it!
Also, what do folks find the best method for chopping up buds before decarb'ing/diffusing? ...With the least damage to the trichs?

Thanks all
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I did my Candida oil the 36hr method it worked well

What I have done Is use a wide mouth Mason jar, toss in the oil and bud, use an imersion blender and a quick pulse it two, pour a bit more of the oil over the blender to wash of bud

Worked well for me

Good luck on Rd #3
 
Amy Gardner said:
Dear Sue and all the fellow oilers. I’m getting close to making my 3rd batch of oil for pain relief and general anti-inflammatory systemic support. Previously I’ve used the 36hr low oven decarb/defuse and this has been good. .. This time, however, I have the buds from my first CBD plant to make it with! Whoot!

Recently there’s been some discussions about decarb’ing first by baking in the oven and then doing a shorter infusion time. I’m not able to trawl back through the threads to find out more about this so I’m hoping someone will help me out with a link or by giving me a run down.

I can use the 36hr version again, but if there’s a more efficient way I’m all for it!
Also, what do folks find the best method for chopping up buds before decarb’ing/diffusing? ...With the least damage to the trichs?

Thanks all
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When I make brownie oil I decarb in a roasting bag, cool it in the freezer and then make the oil the same way Chris does, with an immersion blender. When I decarb I bust the buds off the stems, but I don't break them up. More decarbing will occur in the oil making, if any didn't get converted.

I'm learning to use the pressure cooker. It's turning out to be a great option for making oil, but I still have to check decarb with a hot oil bath.
 
Chris Scorpio said:
I did my Candida oil the 36hr method it worked well

What I have done Is use a wide mouth Mason jar, toss in the oil and bud, use an imersion blender and a quick pulse it two, pour a bit more of the oil over the blender to wash of bud

Worked well for me

Good luck on Rd #3
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SweetSue said:
When I make brownie oil I decarb in a roasting bag, cool it in the freezer and then make the oil the same way Chris does, with an immersion blender. When I decarb I bust the buds off the stems, but I don't break them up. More decarbing will occur in the oil making, if any didn't get converted.

I'm learning to use the pressure cooker. It's turning out to be a great option for making oil, but I still have to check decarb with a hot oil bath.
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Thanks Sue and CS

I don't have oven bags - I could never put plastic next to my food in a heated situation, it's bad news!

So if I were to decarb in the oven, without a bag, what's the acceptable time and temp?

And assuming I did it that way, what method would then follow for the oil making assuming I have no appliances? Same as the 36hr but shorter (if so, by how much)? Or would that need to be a stovetop adventure?

This will be with just dried bud (not really cured yet (well maybe cured for a week).

Thanks .
 
Hi Amy I have a simple but effective method with no gadgets :)

I crumble the buds with my fingers. I put the desired qty into a little mason jar. Soak it all with olive oil with a couple of good stirs then add an additional amount of about 1/8inch above the wet bud bits.

In the oven (middle rack) with a tinfoil lid with 1 pinhole in it for 2 hours at 220F. Drain off the oil using a kitchen strainer.

Ive learned that its worth it to add more oil and run a second extraction for an hour or so. Sometimes Ill use coconut oil for the second pass.

Good luck
 
I seem to be a bit confused about decarb time. So much of what I'd read in the past 'round here was talking bout decarb needing to be long at low temp - hence the 36hr in jar in oven approach, and FHO. Now recently there's many people decarb'ing 'faster' at higher temps, followed by short infusions.
Sue - was there, I seem to remember, tested reasons for preferring the long and low (including the FHO method which was long as well).

I guess what I really wanted to ask, I'm realising now, is what are some of these shorter times and temps that folks are using, and have they been compared to the other versions (FHO, 36hr oven...) and found to be as effective, or more/less effective?

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I'm pretty sure the long and slow method was designed to maintain as many terpenes as possible in the oil, as terpenes can "evaporate" at higher temps. Otherwise you could just crumble it onto a baking tray, cover it with foil, and put it in the pre-warmed oven at 240° for an hour.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't tried other methods.
 
InTheShed said:
I'm pretty sure the long and slow method was designed to maintain as many terpenes as possible in the oil, as terpenes can "evaporate" at higher temps. Otherwise you could just crumble it onto a baking tray, cover it with foil, and put it in the pre-warmed oven at 240° for an hour.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't tried other methods.
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Ok that helps a lot. ..

I've been getting confused as so many folks are doing exactly that. And I'd always thought there was this slow need. I also think that the 'holy grail' research thread is yet to determine if significant terpene retention is even possible (someone correct me if I'm wrong too please! And I don't really know what I mean by significant... .).

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Amy Gardner said:
Ok that helps a lot. .. I’ve been getting confused as so many folks are doing exactly that. And I’d always thought there was this slow need. I also think that the ‘holy grail’ research thread is yet to determine if significant terpene retention is even possible (someone correct me if I’m wrong too please! And I don’t really know what I mean by significant... .).
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How you infuse the THC/CBD into the oil will make a difference to your decarb time, as some decarb will happen if you are putting it all into a crock pot or something.
 
Hi guys What I have learned is that covering the crumbled bud in the olive oil reduces the smell compared to open oven decarbing. That smell is the terpenes and cannabinoids being released to the air. If I had to put a number to it, I would say a 90 to 95% reduction in smell.

While I don't remember where it is, I remember a post from SweetSue where she had concluded the 36 hour process wasn't worth the time and effort.

I encourage you to try my method with a very small sample - a couple of grams - to test it out and see the good results.
 
Thanks Oldbear, I had a vague recollection of that too. I've been dancing around the different oil threads trying to settle on an approach that would run the oven for less time (the weather is getting warmer) and also avoid the (risky for someone like me) double boiler approach. I will likely try your suggested method, although I really want a full decarb and infusion first time. I just can't manage a second run scenario I don't think.

As ITS mentioned (thanks Shed), the 36hr method was part of an attempt to retain terpenes. I never saw where that was assessed for success tho... But I did think SS did it just recently so thought it still relevant.

I really thought I'd been keeping good track of all the oil making options and reasons for doing them etc. And then, coming close to my own next run, I found myself floundering for a decision on which approach to try. So many are now using the MB2 or pressure cookers and also often using way more bud than I have. I'm not a natural in the kitchen so don't experiment easily. The 36hr worked for me because I knew heaps of people had done it successfully many times. And it was simple. I am too nervous to dive in without that kind of collective success backing me up! Plus - I don't have an abundance of product so can't afford to waste on a failed (or semi failed) oil run.

Sue, SweetSue, I'm sorry I'm a difficult student this week... ;)

Is Oldbear right about you saying the 36hr isn't worth it? Is there a recommendation you would make for me based on my (vaguely neurotic about it) posts the last few days? Or is the 36hr still the best option for a small amount of buds (5-7g)...?

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Oldbear said:
I encourage you to try my method with a very small sample - a couple of grams - to test it out and see the good results.
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Sorry OB - I missed that bit the first time I read... I'll consider that too .
 
Oldbear said:
Hi Amy You have to do what makes you comfortable :high-five: A less than 100% decarb is actually beneficial. THCa and CBDx have many healing properties.

Good luck and best wishes.
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Thanks - I'm feeling like I absorbed less that I'd thought over that last few months about the oil making and decarb'ing.

So when you do yours covered by the tinfoil with a little hole pricked in it, I'm assuming there's no shaking of the bottle required...?

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Amy Gardner said:
Dear Sue and all the fellow oilers. I'm getting close to making my 3rd batch of oil for pain relief and general anti-inflammatory systemic support. Previously I've used the 36hr low oven decarb/defuse and this has been good. .. This time, however, I have the buds from my first CBD plant to make it with! Whoot!

Recently there's been some discussions about decarb'ing first by baking in the oven and then doing a shorter infusion time. I'm not able to trawl back through the threads to find out more about this so I'm hoping someone will help me out with a link or by giving me a run down.

I can use the 36hr version again, but if there's a more efficient way I'm all for it!
Also, what do folks find the best method for chopping up buds before decarb'ing/diffusing? ...With the least damage to the trichs?

Thanks all
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here ? Oh my?///
fast decarbolize your weed
In theory ..only.. yrmv. .. higher temperature decarb between 200 f and 230 F. 90 - 42 minutes respectively..
Of course there is a chart, real data..

Don't just expose weed on cooking pan to open oven air.
Temperature in most ovens goes up and down way to much for our use at especially at //230 F//42 minutes/// fastest decarb/ don't make any mistakes/ above 237 F - 250f heat is destroying more thc than it's liberating from the oxyl group./// rate exchange issues//

Instead place weed in ball jar/ you need a bunch anyway/ then place ball jar with weed into oil inside /double boiler/ better/ fondue pot/ calibrated with your own thermometer/// be sure/ measure twice/cook weed/tomorrow//lol. Really no mistakes//
No one decarb in oven/ not repeatable. Changes with seasonal tempaerautre/// all bad/...imho..
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Oldbear said:
Do you guys have a time/temperature recommendation to melt the trichomes off the leaves without decarb? I'm thinking in olive oil.
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Old bear... if you want to wipe a bud clean of 80-99 % of trichomes/ soak in red wine/

Process;
Pour 2-6 ounces red wine into stemware glass. Like at restaurant.
Put in BUD/ZZZs?/
You sit, let it sit...... tic tic.. idk.how long, but in 15 minutes/ push bud with your finger against glass wall. As if to drain. Let bud re soak a second/ push bud against glass wall/ repeat until you can't stnd to wait any more// not one more second/ otherwise push bud.....lol

Remove bud/zzz. Gently. Never use dried crumbly buds/ dehydrate first/ then soak/ fresh harvest//omg/ right into best wine you got///

Sip slowly straining any floatsom/jetsam/or other in teeth/// not usually big deal..
Finish it all/ save bud for examination of extraction efficiency/ place used bud to,side till next day for any of the analysis//enjoy Ancient Greek cannabis drink.. for real..
 
SweetSue said:
It always saddened me that Dale wasn't allowed grapefruit juice. Pink grapefruit used to be one of my favorite foods, but I've gotten out of the habit of eating it because his meds forbade it.

Pharma drugs and their complications when we could have had healing with increased cannabis consumption. Not a happy thing. :straightface:

It just occurred to me that he's been dead more than two years. I can go back to eating pink grapefruit again. :battingeyelashes:

You amaze me Marc. Thank you for contributing. I'm gonna have to reformat some of that. :cheesygrinsmiley:
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Sue/ I'm glad I could type something legible that's useful as well.

I have to hold my tongue re big pharma// Hyperlapse oath/ hypocrisy oaths/ ...

Ok..grapefruit abstinence...they kinda lied to us.
Shocked?
Example, say you take ..Lipitor.. totally safe /studies galore/ effective.
The drug when taken over time, make your blood tests better at test lab/qwest/ I say //Fu76k THEM/ A
B/ they say eliminate all grapefruit when taking Lipitor/ or any statin drug///

Without saying why/offering even bullshit/ they just say//no/nien/ yeow men ti (Cantonese..lol)/nada squat..
Grapefruit and fresh juice/ treats to,a cure most of what statins target/ choloestrol build up// usually shit diet/ no excercise/stress/ not enough..... you get it..
Ok there more.....

Grapefruit juice increases the bioavailability of consumed stains by 200-300 %.. fantastic I thought.

I'm dosing at 60mg of Lipitor/ it's poison/ I'll take 20 mg of Lipitor poison and quaff grapefruit/juice/ jelly// etc. right or I'm missing the math .. I know math real well...this is in the nih/fda/ Pfizer library. Nine of the facts are my opinion.
My disgust/sarcasm are mine however.

I enjoy a gallon of grapefruit juice a month and a dozen pink fruits when they are great.
I don't take compound isolate medicine. For ..two months none /out of >120 months...

Lol no video/none cold turkey 7 dAys/24 /7 nothing.
Much healthy for your brain. No external noise/time slicing/mindless distraction/
Thank you sweet Susan..
And my sleep,cycle returned!! Fell asleep / last night/ appropriate time/ after 10 pm// but before 12/ set timer on stereo/ don't recall it turning off/ so asleep in minutes/then/ sleep,for >> 2/3/4 hours.. was 6/7/8 like old days..yayyy..
 
Amy Gardner said:
Dear Sue and all the fellow oilers. I'm getting close to making my 3rd batch of oil for pain relief and general anti-inflammatory systemic support. Previously I've used the 36hr low oven decarb/defuse and this has been good. .. This time, however, I have the buds from my first CBD plant to make it with! Whoot!

Recently there's been some discussions about decarb'ing first by baking in the oven and then doing a shorter infusion time. I'm not able to trawl back through the threads to find out more about this so I'm hoping someone will help me out with a link or by giving me a run down.

I can use the 36hr version again, but if there's a more efficient way I'm all for it!
Also, what do folks find the best method for chopping up buds before decarb'ing/diffusing? ...With the least damage to the trichs?

Thanks all
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DEAR GIRLLLL
DO
NOT


CHOP UP YOUR WEED INTO ANYTHING YOU CANT/DONT WONT/FILTER/STRAIN OUT LATER//
WE WANT THE STUFF ON THE LEAF/MOSTLY/ THE TRICHOMES FULL OF T HC/CBX x is everything////

So/ for de carb / just heat/control and time/ don't touch the weed/ just heat/ time stop .

Then remove weed/ inspect upon cool.
Extract your favorite way..

We merely crumble up the biggest pieces so it,fits evenly even the processing jars/

We do not crunch this like parsley/of herbs in Italian kitchen//lol// not powered sugar on cookies..

Chunks of buds/gently torn when big'/ gently crunched flatter/

Never pulverized. Never..ok we all over did the crumble the first time or so..lol
Carry on/ and pay attention//
Your kitchen cooking and experimenting are about to Improve!..
Imho
 
LVMarc42 said:
I enjoy a gallon of grapefruit juice a month and a dozen pink fruits when they are great.
I don’t take compound isolate medicine. For ..two months none /out of >120 months...

Lol no video/none cold turkey 7 dAys/24 /7 nothing.
Much healthy for your brain. No external noise/time slicing/mindless distraction/
Thank you sweet Susan..
And my sleep,cycle returned!! Fell asleep / last night/ appropriate time/ after 10 pm// but before 12/ set timer on stereo/ don’t recall it turning off/ so asleep in minutes/then/ sleep,for >> 2/3/4 hours.. was 6/7/8 like old days..yayyy..
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Yayyyyy!!!! :yahoo: Marc...... :hugs: That warmed my heart. It's been a long day, and that made a sweet ending. Powdery mildew exploded in the garden and I needed to do an unexpected harvest. Thank goodness I choose Callanetics as my fitness regimen. It really comes in handy when I find myself standing for hours while I process a plant at harvest.

I completely forgot to pick up some grapefruit today. Think I'll do that after my walk tomorrow.
 
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