Sweet Yet Haunted Seedsman's Purple Ghost Candy Comparative

Keffka said:
No problem! I’m trying to find something a bit more rigorously vetted than old gardener anecdotes about light vs heavy pruning. A lot of where I got that was from the old ladies and their rose gardens and their pruning book. When they want to prune for vigor and growth they prune lightly, when they want to force the plant to build more roots and become more robust they prune heavily. We see it with clones when damaging or removing vegetation to force roots, and it’s applied to a lot of ornamentals.

I would like to see a bit of data to back that up though, people tend to hold on to secrets when divulging stuff like that so you never get quite the same results
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I prune my plants the same way I prune my roses. And when it comes to roses, depending on the rose bush depends on how you prune it. You've got climbers, shrubs, grandiflora and floribunda. An they each require a specific technique to get the best from it.
 
You got the PGC looking great Otter and I like the training, she's loving it!
 
It'll be really interesting how much change/improvement occurs with an optimum DLI. I hope I'm not napping when the results come in.
 
Roy Growin said:
Me, @Keffka @MochaBud et al seem to have a stretchy pheno
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48 inches from soil to cola tip in a 3 gallon container and I think it may still grow a couple more. I’m about to have to rehang my light, remove the risers, and I’ll probably still have to bend them down a bit. I don’t want to supercrop but it may have to happen
 
Keffka said:
I don’t want to supercrop but it may have to happen
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I feel on my next grow that I'll probably go back to super cropping to achieve a more uniform level canopy.

But I am not a 100% sure about how safe it is for the well being of my plants. I have found or suspect that limbs can on occasion end up with necrotic damage at areas that have been super cropped or received accidental LST damage. But it may be that towards the end of the plant's life that limbs just begin to fail here and there regardless of previous super cropping. Is that why you are reluctant to super crop or some other reason?
 
Preston9mm said:
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Crazy how the best bud I've ever smoked came from dirty ass hippies who wouldn't read that shit if you paid them. On the flip side... I've never had good cannabis come from a dude in a lab coat. LoL

Not trying to be offensive, but that seems like the shit someone posts when they're trying to sound smart, not someone speaking from their actual experience.
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I can tell you from experience, and I AM a "dirty ass" hippy as you so eloquently put it, and not only have I read a lot of these, I've been involved in many.

It's simple math, the more shoots you have, the more calcium required. Once your rootball can't supply enough the plant suffers in every aspect, so prune the larf or grow a bigger rootball.

I have also been seen in a lab coat from time to time.

I read them all. Cannabis has been classified as a vegetable, so basic vegetable rules apply. Couple those rules with hyper accumulatorism as cannabis is an apex hyper accumulator, and there you go, calcium becomes key.

If you can't get enough in you need to prune or suffer.

Not trying to be offensive but you must be a synthetic grower or you would understand brix and how to create them.
 
Stunger said:
I feel on my next grow that I'll probably go back to super cropping to achieve a more uniform level canopy.

But I am not a 100% sure about how safe it is for the well being of my plants. I have found or suspect that limbs can on occasion end up with necrotic damage at areas that have been super cropped or received accidental LST damage. But it may be that towards the end of the plant's life that limbs just begin to fail here and there regardless of previous super cropping. Is that why you are reluctant to super crop or some other reason?
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There’s a couple reasons in my mind that make me hesitate and I think timing is important. I don’t necessarily mind it if we’re doing it when the branches are still young and pliable in veg, but it’s a pretty violent method when I’ve gotta do it to a thick main stem or a branch that has begun to solidify in bloom. I can still feel the crackling from when I did it the very first time lol.

Timing again is, when I supercrop a plant because it got too tall, it takes up an awkward amount of space in my room. If I were to supercrop before stretch, I could fit the plant better in my room. However if the plant has gotten too tall, I have to find a space to land the cola like felling a tree, because I’ve already filled out the canopy otherwise.

I also can’t help but feel like it slows the plant down. I’m not positive about that though because I’ve also watched the plant turn itself right side up within hours of being super cropped and get right back to working.

I can say however, that one of the best yielding plants I’ve ever had was super cropped. @Azimuth is a big proponent of it as well. I think if you applied it young to your plants to keep a nice even canopy you could get some really good benefits with none of the issues I’m complaining about
 
Gee64 said:
I can tell you from experience, and I AM a "dirty ass" hippy as you so eloquently put it, and not only have I read a lot of these, I've been involved in many.

It's simple math, the more shoots you have, the more calcium required. Once your rootball can't supply enough the plant suffers in every aspect, so prune the larf or grow a bigger rootball.

I have also been seen in a lab coat from time to time.

I read them all. Cannabis has been classified as a vegetable, so basic vegetable rules apply. Couple those rules with hyper accumulatorism as cannabis is an apex hyper accumulator, and there you go, calcium becomes key.

If you can't get enough in you need to prune or suffer.

Not trying to be offensive but you must be a synthetic grower or you would understand brix and how to create them.
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I knew/know different dirty hippies than those described. All the hippies I knew were extremely well read, and extremely intelligent. You could only get them to stop reading long enough to take care of the fields, or write a book of their own, or rail against the government. I’ve never seen book collections like I saw at the farm, outside of a library.

The people you surround yourself with are a reflection of who you are.
 
Keffka said:
Keffka said:
I can say however, that one of the best yielding plants I’ve ever had was super cropped. @Azimuth is a big proponent of it as well. I think if you applied it young to your plants to keep a nice even canopy you could get some really good benefits with none of the issues I’m complaining about
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I'll supercrop in flower if they're into the light. They seem to build good bud in spite.
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Keffka said:
Ok so for the shoots argument, I have a couple sources.

First is the role Calcium plays in cell wall structure and strength, especially in young growing shoots. Depending on the plant, each shoot will contain a specific amount of calcium, that it calls for to have delivered that it maintains. The actual concentrations vary, but the result is the same, every single growing shoot, and especially the young ones, are consuming vast amounts of calcium. The growth rate of these shoots will impact this even more, such as the explosive growth rate in bloom or that of a young branch trying to make it big.

That information can be found here:

Calcium in Plants - PMC

Calcium is an essential plant nutrient. It is required for various structural roles in the cell wall and membranes, it is a counter‐cation for inorganic and organic anions in the vacuole, and the cytosolic Ca2+ concentration ([Ca2+]cyt) is an ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Apple farmers are keenly aware of this, which is why during spring/summer they are constantly pruning their trees to prevent terminal growth. If they don’t do this they wind up with severe calcium problems that can ruin their entire harvest. While I have no farmers I can link to directly I can link you to a podcast from KIS Organics with Bryant Mason, a certified crop advisor. Episode 123, 10 minutes in.

Episode 123: Cannabis Nutrition with Bryant Mason part 1

Podcast Episode · Cannabis Cultivation and Science Podcast · 01/11/2024 · 46m
podcasts.apple.com

What this information tells us is, every growing shoot we have is consuming calcium, right at its tips, always. So for every shoot we have growing, a specific amount of calcium is automatically tied up for its use. The younger and more explosive the growth, the more calcium being yanked away.

If our roots aren’t big enough to provide an adequate amount of calcium, our yields and quality will suffer. Dramatically in some cases, like bitter pit in Apples or blossom end rot in tomato’s.

This is also why calmag is recommend at the start of bloom. The growth rate of the shoots explodes and requires quite a bit more calcium.

You can take this a step further with a Calcium Use Efficiency formula and find out right where your own personal sweet spot is with some testing. The formula would be Shoot yield per unit of Ca accumulated in the shoot. That would be super useful for someone with a bottom line or a lot of boredom.
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Listening to you and Bryant's talk I think you have something there. She's a week in. I'm heading down at light on for a good trim! That'll give her room to breath and grow bigger buds with any luck!
Roy Growin said:
@StoneOtter - Your PGC look great compared to my clones which had bad nutes, cold & damp, wonky pH... but they're bouncing back

Seems to be quite a bit of genetic variation in how this strain grows
Me, @Keffka @MochaBud et al seem to have a stretchy pheno
You, @gwhunran @Jungle Joseph @Baron Von Blurple et al appear to have more stocky plants

Be interesting to see how it pans out
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Thanks Roy, yeah I see a big variance. This one is coming in on the shorter side I think. It's hard to say as it's a single node.
Stunger said:
It'll be really interesting how much change/improvement occurs with an optimum DLI. I hope I'm not napping when the results come in.
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Me too! :rofl: I'm wondering if those top buds will come in all hard like stones!?
 
StoneOtter said:
Listening to you and Bryant's talk I think you have something there. She's a week in. I'm heading down at light on for a good trim! That'll give her room to breath and grow bigger buds with any luck!

Thanks Roy, yeah I see a big variance. This one is coming in on the shorter side I think. It's hard to say as it's a single node.

Me too! :rofl: I'm wondering if those top buds will come in all hard like stones!?
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One of the things I like to do is throw on that KIS podcast in the background while I’m working. There’s a lot of those little tips sprinkled throughout the different episodes. Even in episodes that don’t really apply to my situation, they’ll still drop a little nugget of info here and there.

I’m excited for your stretch! I think between your laser focus on DLI and having the plant squat as it is, you likely have a massive root ball just itching to deliver you some gorgeous buds!
 
Keffka said:
One of the things I like to do is throw on that KIS podcast in the background while I’m working. There’s a lot of those little tips sprinkled throughout the different episodes. Even in episodes that don’t really apply to my situation, they’ll still drop a little nugget of info here and there.

I’m excited for your stretch! I think between your laser focus on DLI and having the plant squat as it is, you likely have a massive root ball just itching to deliver you some gorgeous buds!
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Oh yeah! 65 veg days had to grow some roots! Yesterday was first pistils or the day before. She's on it!

KIS is new to me! I thought it was only a seed seller and never went there. Your mention is the second time I've seen it this week. Looks like I have a new place to explore!
 
StoneOtter said:
Oh yeah! 65 veg days had to grow some roots! Yesterday was first pistils or the day before. She's on it!

KIS is new to me! I thought it was only a seed seller and never went there. Your mention is the second time I've seen it this week. Looks like I have a new place to explore!
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The KIS motto is “organic growing from a science based perspective”

It’s a perfect background track. They offer a lot of amendments, testing, consulting, etc. but I just listen to the podcast. They have authors like Jeff Lowenfels, scientists, researchers, farmers, crop advisors, and even old hippies and OGs like Clackamas Coots on the show.

Credit to @Azimuth for introducing it to me
 
DONE THE TRIMMING UPDATE

Good day all! After consideration, I went for the whole chalupa and took all the shoots I thought were in the way of great bud making! We're going to find out if the two weeks early trim is ok. I think so. She thinned out real nice!

David, my DLI reminder and part time life coach says:

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David says

Here's the compostable/worm food/trash whatever you do with it. Left from my dive into her inner places. I took only the shoots and left the leaves unless I goofed up.

The pile

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PGC trimmings

She looks fit to pack on the bud now!

Day 9 after flip. Nice and airy now!

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Purple Ghost Candy all trimmed up

Have a great day!
 
I didn't know you could be so picky, Stone! :Rasta:
 
smokesbetter said:
I think a lot of growing skills come from being able to read your plant , I am reading Stones plant is Nice and ready to perform . Good job on the trim up !
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Thanks Smokes! She's looking strong!
Grand Daddy Black said:
I didn't know you could be so picky, Stone! :Rasta:
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I kinda do this to most of them Big Daddy. Just a little early on this one. Pic pic pic :hookah:
KeithLemon said:
Nice trimming job Stone she looks like a bud factory now. :thumb: 🍋
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Yeah man!

Whoops I forgot the budlet pic!
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Purple Ghost Candy budlet time
 
Have a great day! Stoned posting again!
 
StoneOtter said:
DONE THE TRIMMING UPDATE

Good day all! After consideration, I went for the whole chalupa and took all the shoots I thought were in the way of great bud making! We're going to find out if the two weeks early trim is ok. I think so. She thinned out real nice!

David, my DLI reminder and part time life coach says:

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David says

Here's the compostable/worm food/trash whatever you do with it. Left from my dive into her inner places. I took only the shoots and left the leaves unless I goofed up.

The pile

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PGC trimmings

She looks fit to pack on the bud now!

Day 9 after flip. Nice and airy now!

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Purple Ghost Candy all trimmed up

Have a great day!
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That’s a picturesque manifold sir. You can see the increased light penetration in the picture, and they sure look pleased with your decision. You’ve done all the hard parts, outstanding work!

StoneOtter said:
Thanks Smokes! She's looking strong!

I kinda do this to most of them Big Daddy. Just a little early on this one. Pic pic pic :hookah:

Yeah man!

Whoops I forgot the budlet pic!
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Purple Ghost Candy budlet time
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My manifold and quad still haven’t started budding yet, and we’re around +23ish They finally started pushing out more stigmas but the plants I didn’t train have already been budding for days now. At this rate, the trained plants are going to need at least 2 extra weeks
 
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