Surfbuddy's GLR 2L DWC-H Coco Lowryder - Big Bud - BubbleGum - Northern Lights

[CronicHempHog]

UPDATE: Clones and Seedlings
Liberty Haze Seed soaked May 9th, Clones taken May 13th
Hazeman's Breakout, Hazeman's G13 Cali Hashplant, DNA's Stacked Kush to Riot cubes May 31st (no cup soak or paper towel)

So it seems like clones kick ass compared to seedlings as far as start time to ready to flower time.

Group shot of all

The new to be clone mom for Big Bud-- can I take a top off this soon? Seems like it needs to stretch a little first? Or should I not even top it and just wait for the side branches to bust out on their own after LST?

Big bud clone- the average one, soon to go 12/12 er 13/11

Big Bud clone- the weakling of the three.

Liberty Haze seedling on node 4 gonna UBT this one at node 7ish

New group of seedings, put into riot cubes on the 31st. Breakout was the first to... er... break out of the riot cubes yesterday. The other two made their appearance today.

Hazeman's Breakout

DNA's Stacked Kush

Hazeman's G13xHashplant

Thanks for stopping by! Any idea about how long before taking the first clone of the mother plant?

i'd say when you get enough stems on it to root them
as in length of stem and enough branches to take from it
i usually just take bottom branches as theyre usually the smallest if you leave them on to grow
but if u use them for clones you get more out of it
just my 2 cents

 

[SpiriTHC]

I say give the plant a solid month to a month and a half to get some nice cuttings from seedling! this is good veg time to have her push out a bunch of more shoots and be overall healthier plant.. but how many cutting are you looking to take?

because you can literally take one cutting at a time as its ready.. which i'd still let her grow out at least a month before taking those strong few!

your plant knows best at the end.. but its from my experience which is not much.. but i have 5-10 moms going at once.. build em up big chop em down and start fresh to keep the strains fresh and new.. my moms life spans are about 6 months before i switch out.. i feel that i use the best out of em that way and always start young and healthy plants from seed.. but i take hundreds of cuttings at a time!

 

[MSquared]

Looking good Surf!

I don't know if I would have tested my best plant in that soil for starters, but if there are any that are having a hard time I would.
The first time I tested my hibrix soil was with a plant that was having problems. It was 2.5 months old and getting ready to flower so it was pretty big, but starting to have real problems and the consensus was it was lacking mag if I remember correctly, so instead of treating it I decided to trans it into my hibrix soil and you know what it recoved with a vengenace in just a couple of days. To bad it turned out male

I run GLR as well for veg, but I can see if you need temps up to go to a longer cycle.
Way to pay attention to their enviroment!

So good luck and thanks for letting me stop by

 

[jandre2k3]

I take every seedling's first cutting at 6 nodes, cut below the 4th. I then attempt a root with this cutting so I can gauge how fast a certain strain takes to root. Most take 7-10 days, but some indicas take up to 20 days to root and sustain outside of the humidome.

But, you are correct, clones and propagation are a much faster way to process grows and have faster harvests. Alternatively, you can have an army of seedlings waiting separated into groups each about 2 months apart. That way when a flower is complete, you can clean and reset your flower space and put fully vegged seedlings in and go again. I always have cuttings or seedlings going, even though I don't have a flower box ready for them so I can veg them for a couple months before they go in the box. That is until the power goes out and I lose my entire stock of cuttings...

But still, cloning is faster than raising seeds by almost a month of veg time.

 

[SpiriTHC]

I take every seedling's first cutting at 6 nodes, cut below the 4th. I then attempt a root with this cutting so I can gauge how fast a certain strain takes to root. Most take 7-10 days, but some indicas take up to 20 days to root and sustain outside of the humidome.

But, you are correct, clones and propagation are a much faster way to process grows and have faster harvests. Alternatively, you can have an army of seedlings waiting separated into groups each about 2 months apart. That way when a flower is complete, you can clean and reset your flower space and put fully vegged seedlings in and go again. I always have cuttings or seedlings going, even though I don't have a flower box ready for them so I can veg them for a couple months before they go in the box. That is until the power goes out and I lose my entire stock of cuttings...

But still, cloning is faster than raising seeds by almost a month of veg time.

so true!

 

[jandre2k3]

I take every seedling's first cutting at 6 nodes, cut below the 4th. I then attempt a root with this cutting so I can gauge how fast a certain strain takes to root. Most take 7-10 days, but some indicas take up to 20 days to root and sustain outside of the humidome.

But, you are correct, clones and propagation are a much faster way to process grows and have faster harvests. Alternatively, you can have an army of seedlings waiting separated into groups each about 2 months apart. That way when a flower is complete, you can clean and reset your flower space and put fully vegged seedlings in and go again. I always have cuttings or seedlings going, even though I don't have a flower box ready for them so I can veg them for a couple months before they go in the box. That is until the power goes out and I lose my entire stock of cuttings...

But still, cloning is faster than raising seeds by almost a month of veg time.

so true!

heheh

 

[SurfBuddy]

Looking good Surf!

I don't know if I would have tested my best plant in that soil for starters, but if there are any that are having a hard time I would.
The first time I tested my hibrix soil was with a plant that was having problems. It was 2.5 months old and getting ready to flower so it was pretty big, but starting to have real problems and the consensus was it was lacking mag if I remember correctly, so instead of treating it I decided to trans it into my hibrix soil and you know what it recoved with a vengenace in just a couple of days. To bad it turned out male

I run GLR as well for veg, but I can see if you need temps up to go to a longer cycle.
Way to pay attention to their enviroment!

So good luck and thanks for letting me stop by

I ended up not using my best clone. But I do like your idea of using one that's struggling. I think I'll pull the last bubblegum out and try it on her. She's so spindly and lame and looks like she's only a week into flower when it's been closer to four. I'll have more room in my flower room too. Bummer yours turned out to have a ding a ling.

Since you run GLR, a question: how long do you run 24/7 on seedlings, if at all before vegging in GLR? Or maybe put differently how can you tell the difference between seedling stage and veg stage?

Thanks for dropping in, It's an honor to have you here! I've seen your sage advice all over these forums, and I appreciate your input.

I take every seedling's first cutting at 6 nodes, cut below the 4th. I then attempt a root with this cutting so I can gauge how fast a certain strain takes to root. Most take 7-10 days, but some indicas take up to 20 days to root and sustain outside of the humidome.

But, you are correct, clones and propagation are a much faster way to process grows and have faster harvests. Alternatively, you can have an army of seedlings waiting separated into groups each about 2 months apart. That way when a flower is complete, you can clean and reset your flower space and put fully vegged seedlings in and go again. I always have cuttings or seedlings going, even though I don't have a flower box ready for them so I can veg them for a couple months before they go in the box. That is until the power goes out and I lose my entire stock of cuttings...

But still, cloning is faster than raising seeds by almost a month of veg time.

Wow, that small? Can you post a pic of what the 6 node cut at 4 looks like? I think my biggest clone is close, and so is my Liberty Haze seedling. I dig your extensive mother/neonatal/etc. work over in your neck of the woods and would like to on a smaller scale, replicate your success (minus unfortunate power outages). The BigBud rooted much faster than the NL, one of which is only just now popping roots out of the rapid rooter, while the BigBUd is putting roots in the 2L res and ready for its first top cloning and an airstone. Me likey.

Hah! I was hoping to do waves every three weeks, but had the first one delayed to 6 weeks, and started the next ones three weeks later, so I'll likely be on that 2 month schedule, whether I want to or not! I realized quickly too, that I don't have the space in my flower tent to fit any more in before they're done (unless I pull that Bubble gum out, heehee)

I would enjoy your input on the comments I put to M2 also, as I hold you in high esteem as well.

 

[SurfBuddy]

Question:
How can you tell if the trichs are cloudy or clear if you don't have a loupe or a magnifying glass?

 

[MSquared]

I ended up not using my best clone. But I do like your idea of using one that's struggling. I think I'll pull the last bubblegum out and try it on her. She's so spindly and lame and looks like she's only a week into flower when it's been closer to four. I'll have more room in my flower room too. Bummer yours turned out to have a ding a ling.

Since you run GLR, a question: how long do you run 24/7 on seedlings, if at all before vegging in GLR? Or maybe put differently how can you tell the difference between seedling stage and veg stage?

Thanks for dropping in, It's an honor to have you here! I've seen your sage advice all over these forums, and I appreciate your input.


Wow, that small? Can you post a pic of what the 6 node cut at 4 looks like? I think my biggest clone is close, and so is my Liberty Haze seedling. I dig your extensive mother/neonatal/etc. work over in your neck of the woods and would like to on a smaller scale, replicate your success (minus unfortunate power outages). The BigBud rooted much faster than the NL, one of which is only just now popping roots out of the rapid rooter, while the BigBUd is putting roots in the 2L res and ready for its first top cloning and an airstone. Me likey.

Hah! I was hoping to do waves every three weeks, but had the first one delayed to 6 weeks, and started the next ones three weeks later, so I'll likely be on that 2 month schedule, whether I want to or not! I realized quickly too, that I don't have the space in my flower tent to fit any more in before they're done (unless I pull that Bubble gum out, heehee)

I would enjoy your input on the comments I put to M2 also, as I hold you in high esteem as well.

No problem Surf It really is my honor being here. I have never ran 24/0 lighting. I run GLR for everything until flower.
I would classify a seedling as a young plant that is around 2 weeks or younger, but the leaves tell you when it has made its transition into veg. Once the seedling has a node that has a full set of 5 (or 7 in some cases) leave fingers it has transitioned into its veg state.

Question:
How can you tell if the trichs are cloudy or clear if you don't have a loupe or a magnifying glass?

When they sparkle like diamonds like yours look, that is mostly if not all clear. With a picuture like you posted you will be able to see the amber in the trichs. Very nice photo and remember the head of the trich will turn first before the stem or body of the tich turns.
Being that your hairs are turning that nice shade of reddish brown you are getting close.
Take a picture each day like the one you took and you will be able to tell the dif between the two.

way to go surf!

 

[jandre2k3]

I ended up not using my best clone. But I do like your idea of using one that's struggling. I think I'll pull the last bubblegum out and try it on her. She's so spindly and lame and looks like she's only a week into flower when it's been closer to four. I'll have more room in my flower room too. Bummer yours turned out to have a ding a ling.

Since you run GLR, a question: how long do you run 24/7 on seedlings, if at all before vegging in GLR? Or maybe put differently how can you tell the difference between seedling stage and veg stage?

Thanks for dropping in, It's an honor to have you here! I've seen your sage advice all over these forums, and I appreciate your input.

I have only jsut started using 24/7 for new cuttings, but in the weeks I have switched over, it seems to have a huge impact. I would say 24/7 for 2 or 3 weeks after roots show trough the starter. Then I would go down to GLR for the rest of the growth to ready for flowering faster.

Wow, that small? Can you post a pic of what the 6 node cut at 4 looks like? I think my biggest clone is close, and so is my Liberty Haze seedling. I dig your extensive mother/neonatal/etc. work over in your neck of the woods and would like to on a smaller scale, replicate your success (minus unfortunate power outages). The BigBud rooted much faster than the NL, one of which is only just now popping roots out of the rapid rooter, while the BigBUd is putting roots in the 2L res and ready for its first top cloning and an airstone. Me likey.

Hah! I was hoping to do waves every three weeks, but had the first one delayed to 6 weeks, and started the next ones three weeks later, so I'll likely be on that 2 month schedule, whether I want to or not! I realized quickly too, that I don't have the space in my flower tent to fit any more in before they're done (unless I pull that Bubble gum out, heehee)

I would enjoy your input on the comments I put to M2 also, as I hold you in high esteem as well.

Actually, I will be performing the first clone of a small plant after I come back from the fishing trip. Keep an eye on the Purple Mr. Nice Journal after Tuesday, 18th June. I don't want to do it before because of the daily care needed that I will not even be in town for. I have been putting it off for a while, because if it takes 2-3 weeks to root, I want to be sure I can provide the care needed, and wouldn't be able to do that from 200 miles away. She's at 8 nodes now, and I expect her to be at 9 by the time I get back. But you'll get to see the procedure and how small the original clone is after it is done. Basically, I double the plants this way, and can take cuttings from a clone that is meant to go into flower as well as from the actual mother.

The difference in waiting for a bigger mother to take clones, and doing it this early, is I get an early look into the behavior of the cuttings, before I take a large-scale tray of clones.

 

[Blue Planet Nutrients]

Hey surfbuddy, I highly recommend this:
2MP 8-LED USB Digital Microscope endoscope 2.0 Mega Pixels Magnifier 200X Camera | eBay

You can take high quality pics and videos and at 200x, you will definitely be able to see the trichs very clearly. It is definitely worth the $27 investment. You will literally find yourself looking at trichs for hours. The best thing to do is take a very small clipping of a leaf and set it you a table. put the scope directly on top of it so it is stable and focus it while looking at your computer screen. Using a laptop is best because you will be able to set the plant matter near the mouse pad and focus it while looking at your screen. I have one and look at all kinds of stuff..insects, plant matter, etc...

 

[jandre2k3]

No problem Surf It really is my honor being here. I have never ran 24/0 lighting. I run GLR for everything until flower.
I would classify a seedling as a young plant that is around 2 weeks or younger, but the leaves tell you when it has made its transition into veg. Once the seedling has a node that has a full set of 5 (or 7 in some cases) leave fingers it has transitioned into its veg state.





When they sparkle like diamonds like yours look, that is mostly if not all clear. With a picuture like you posted you will be able to see the amber in the trichs. Very nice photo and remember the head of the trich will turn first before the stem or body of the tich turns.
Being that your hairs are turning that nice shade of reddish brown you are getting close.
Take a picture each day like the one you took and you will be able to tell the dif between the two.

way to go surf!

Excellent help/suggestions. Just thought I'd say that. And +rep M²

 

[CronicHempHog]

looking delicious

 

[Alaskan1]

Dammit, you all answered his questions so I can't add anything........I have nothing to say at this point lol

 

[SurfBuddy]

No problem Surf It really is my honor being here. I have never ran 24/0 lighting. I run GLR for everything until flower.
I would classify a seedling as a young plant that is around 2 weeks or younger, but the leaves tell you when it has made its transition into veg. Once the seedling has a node that has a full set of 5 (or 7 in some cases) leave fingers it has transitioned into its veg state.

When they sparkle like diamonds like yours look, that is mostly if not all clear. With a picuture like you posted you will be able to see the amber in the trichs. Very nice photo and remember the head of the trich will turn first before the stem or body of the tich turns.
Being that your hairs are turning that nice shade of reddish brown you are getting close.
Take a picture each day like the one you took and you will be able to tell the dif between the two.
way to go surf!

Hmmm, GLR from seed, eh? My next batch will get it. I liked it so much so far, just though there would be/are issues with getting clones to root under it.

OK, so my seedlings are still far from it then... wasn't sure if it was a node deal or what, but I like the 5 finger barrier. Thanks.

Nice. Mr. Sparkle means clear. I'm glad I'll be able to see just by taking photos... by putting the thing almost against my cornea I still couldn't tell. I guess I'll have to take more pictures today!

I have only jsut started using 24/7 for new cuttings, but in the weeks I have switched over, it seems to have a huge impact. I would say 24/7 for 2 or 3 weeks after roots show trough the starter. Then I would go down to GLR for the rest of the growth to ready for flowering faster.

Actually, I will be performing the first clone of a small plant after I come back from the fishing trip. Keep an eye on the Purple Mr. Nice Journal after Tuesday, 18th June. I don't want to do it before because of the daily care needed that I will not even be in town for. I have been putting it off for a while, because if it takes 2-3 weeks to root, I want to be sure I can provide the care needed, and wouldn't be able to do that from 200 miles away. She's at 8 nodes now, and I expect her to be at 9 by the time I get back. But you'll get to see the procedure and how small the original clone is after it is done. Basically, I double the plants this way, and can take cuttings from a clone that is meant to go into flower as well as from the actual mother.

The difference in waiting for a bigger mother to take clones, and doing it this early, is I get an early look into the behavior of the cuttings, before I take a large-scale tray of clones.

I agree that when I first tried GLR, I switched from 24/7 and it boomed. Not sure if it was relative or just was going to boom anyway? It seemed to grow better to me. And it also REALLY seemed like it turned to flower quickly.

I'll be keeping my eye out for the return from your camping trip (sounds like fun by the way) and see what you do with Purple Mr. Nice when you get back. It does take extra care during those first couple three weeks, I'm finding out. Watering 3x/day. 9 nodes seems tall, but I remember when you got her she seemed like she needed care. I already know what the mother of my clone is like, I pulled it from the BigBud I have in flower, so I'm quite pleased how fast it rooted and started growing. I cut them on the 13th and will flower 3 clones soon to see what kind of budsticks I can create with little uns. These were the first clones I've ever had, and I took them myself, but I see why you would want to go twofers on your clones to see how well they will reproduce.

Hey surfbuddy, I highly recommend this:
2MP 8-LED USB Digital Microscope endoscope 2.0 Mega Pixels Magnifier 200X Camera | eBay

You can take high quality pics and videos and at 200x, you will definitely be able to see the trichs very clearly. It is definitely worth the $27 investment. You will literally find yourself looking at trichs for hours. The best thing to do is take a very small clipping of a leaf and set it you a table. put the scope directly on top of it so it is stable and focus it while looking at your computer screen. Using a laptop is best because you will be able to set the plant matter near the mouse pad and focus it while looking at your screen. I have one and look at all kinds of stuff..insects, plant matter, etc...

BPN is in the house! Nice scope. I'm really trying not to spend any more money right now... I'm so far in the hole and still have not even pulled my first harvest yet. But it's only 27 bucks LOL. That's what gets me in trouble...It's only 5 bucks... it's only 10 bucks, it's only 27.LOL Maybe I'll work overtime to cover it.

I would like to thank all three of you, M2, Jandre, and BPN! +reps to all three.

I have a troubling turn with my seedling. I will post a photo in my next post and seek your help/advice.

 

[Alaskan1]

Yeah Surf, thats how it starts...lil money here, lil money there and next thing you know you have 30,000 invested in growing cannabis.
I must say though, after getting my first harvest and getting it where it needs to go it's quite rewarding. I feel like I have accomplished something not a lot of people in this lifetime get to experience. As a matter a fact I'm sitting here of my very own lemon kush trim. Right now I'm on my union break from changing nutes so I'm allowed lol

 

[SurfBuddy]

Yeah Surf, thats how it starts...lil money here, lil money there and next thing you know you have 30,000 invested in growing cannabis.
I must say though, after getting my first harvest and getting it where it needs to go it's quite rewarding. I feel like I have accomplished something not a lot of people in this lifetime get to experience. As a matter a fact I'm sitting here of my very own lemon kush trim. Right now I'm on my union break from changing nutes so I'm allowed lol

LOL, Yeah, I'm on the hydro store's gravy train I'll put their kids through college the way I'm going..

 

[Alaskan1]

LOL, Yeah, I'm on the hydro store's gravy train I'll put their kids through college the way I'm going..

I feel the exact same way! I even thought of doing a.......what NOT to do for newbs post in the "how to grow" section
I have tossed away so much money on bad ideas. Thought I was doing the right thing only to find out it was wrong or wouldn't work

 

[SurfBuddy]

UPDATE: Scary seedling spots, growth spurt on the clones.
I NEED SOME HELP/ADVICE

The Breakout seedling is the only one showing symptoms, almost looks like something is eating it? Brown rust spots in the middle of the leaves. The roots are busting out of the cube all over, and it doesn't seem to be burning on the leaf tips. Basically I don't know what the hell this is, I don't see it on the nutrient def poster, the closest thing is late stage calcium def, but the leaf tips and edges are good. Here is the top of the leaf:

And here is the bottom:

HELP!


And here there is a growth spurt, the thing grew so fast the leaf didn't know which way to go. I just hit them with crazy growth, so yeah, it's crazy.

 

[JuicySoil]

Zup Surfbuddy
looks a lil strange. Could it be from waterdrops drying out in the sun on the leave? That water can get pretty hot and burn the leave if too close too the light..