Superoots Air Pots vs Smart Pots

[MrCountry]

Hi Mayne, what about the nutrients and cloning gel that I purchased. I also bought the seedling solution and cloning gel along with happy frog and oceans forest. Should i use the recharge along with or not use some of what i purchased. I'm sorry about all the questions but want to make sure i do things right. Thanks

 

[Mayne]

Ive only used Recharge, but ive learned to use it as a bath, like 1 time a week. The object is to coat the roots with the solution, so its best not to just add it to your water routine, but use it as a treat to the plant.

Clonex is top shelf stuff, it works if everything is done correctly. also a good idea to get some Root Riot starter plugs, they are cheap, and are great for clones and seeds. they build a great root system early. again, if left in the plastic plug holders long enough, they air prune, and start building that rootball early as possible. awesome.

Foxfarm is good stuff, ive used it. but now 1 part dry nutes, epsom salt. simple.

 

[Mayne]

keep in mind on the nutes. Your PPMs should be the same as your PAR light output. On those bottles, they are assuming you are using a 1000W HPS,.. So, if your light is 300 watts, giving the plant the recommended dosage, you will have problems. Alot of growers dont understand this concept.

If your PAR is 300-400 range, less nutes,

So, say for instance, you have a light and your PPFD is 700, aim for 700 PPMs, then, if it shows deficiency, add a tiny bit more, but most likely you wont have any issues.

also, with those big bottles, go to dollar tree, or some sort of cheap store and look for mustard and ketchup bottles for your nutes. Make sit super easy to measure them out when making your batches of nutes. Squirt into the measure cup,,pour and rinse, easy. Put the rest of the big bottle in cool dark place.

 

[fanleaf]

I cannot comprehend why people start a grow with a very rich organic soil like Fox Farm Ocean Forrest soil and then grow with synthetic nutes....Nothing like salting up and killing all microlife in an organic soil. Why not just start off with soiless?

 

[MrCountry]

Thanks Mayne I greatly appreciate you helping to get a better understanding. Once again thanks and greatly appreciated

 

[fanleaf]

keep in mind on the nutes. Your PPMs should be the same as your PAR light output. On those bottles, they are assuming you are using a 1000W HPS,.. So, if your light is 300 watts, giving the plant the recommended dosage, you will have problems. Alot of growers dont understand this concept.

If your PAR is 300-400 range, less nutes,

So, say for instance, you have a light and your PPFD is 700, aim for 700 PPMs, then, if it shows deficiency, add a tiny bit more, but most likely you wont have any issues.

also, with those big bottles, go to dollar tree, or some sort of cheap store and look for mustard and ketchup bottles for your nutes. Make sit super easy to measure them out when making your batches of nutes. Squirt into the measure cup,,pour and rinse, easy. Put the rest of the big bottle in cool dark place.

Par in the 300-400 range? That is barely enough 2 consider vegging a plant. That is not anywhere near enough to even consider putting a plant into flower. I would like to see someone flowering plant with 300 par LOL.
Your nute strength needed (ppm or ec) is somewhat related to how much light your plants get because obviously a tiny plant all stretched out growing under CFL can't utilize the same amount of food is a plant under 1500 watts of LED but your parts per million should not match your par. Plants require different strengths as they flower weekly. The first few weeks of flower maybe seven hundred parts per million for instance, but by the 4th or 5th week you could be over a thousand parts per million without any change in par/ppfd levels. I totally get what you're saying. I often see new Growers on here growing under CFL or nowhere near enough LED and feeding their plant like it's a monster that had veg for 8 weeks under 1300 par LOL. But you can't just say that nutes strength in parts per million needs to match the par Level because every strain has a different appetite and not only that but their appetite increases and decreases throughout their life span. I think it may be better to just say if you're growing under week lights you need to cut your nutrients strength because the plant can't burn all the food you're giving it but I'm not too keen on a blanket statement that your parts-per-million should match your par.

 

[MrCountry]

I have the iPlantop LED Grow Light 1000w,(15W LED) 3 Chips LED Plant Growing Lamp Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower. Would this suffice or do I need something else. I'm sorry guess I have so much to learn.

 

[fanleaf]

I have the iPlantop LED Grow Light 1000w,(15W LED) 3 Chips LED Plant Growing Lamp Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower. Would this suffice or do I need something else. I'm sorry guess I have so much to learn.

Well I hate to tell you this but being a new grower it is easy to fall for and you fell for the overrated LED hype. That is actually a 180 W draw LED. At the very most that would be big enough for a 2-foot by 2-foot tent and that would be absolutely pushing it. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love LED and if you look in the signature of mine below you can see I build my own. Some of them I have about $5,000 into. I would put my lights up against anything so you know I love LED but you have to look at actual power consumption and not how they rate them for marketing purposes.

 

[fanleaf]

@MrCountry I just read page 1 again to see what size tent you are growing in. I see you are growing in a 4 foot by 4 foot tent. Did you happen to see the screenshot that I took of your light in my last message? Do you see how you can daisy-chain them together so they're all powered off of one main cord? In your tent if you absolutely wanted to rock that tent and grow some big plants you should put 4 of those lights in there. 3 of them would work but would not be optimal for that size tent. With purple LEDs you want an absolute bare minimum of 35 actual watts per square foot of grow room space. If you take your 4 foot by 4 foot tent and multiply 4 * 4 you get 16 square feet. So take 16 * 35 which equals 560 actual watts used is the bare minimum recommended. 35w per sq ft is minimum with 45-50 actual watts per square foot optimal

 

[MrCountry]

Ok Fanleaf I guess I screwed up. I have a 40x40x80 tent would it work if I daisy chained another with it?

 

[fanleaf]

Ok Fanleaf I guess I screwed up. I have a 40x40x80 tent would it work if I daisy chained another with it?

40"÷12"=3.33 feet. So 3.33 x 3.33= 11.08 square feet.
Minimum...35w per square feet = 385W
Optimal Range 50w per sq ft =550W

Your light is 180watts so even 2 of them fall under the minimum recommended. 3 however would be almost perfectly optimal. 2 would be 360W and 3 would be 540W!
You would bbn e far far happier with the flowering result with 3.
Will 2 of them do the job? Yes, however I would expect some stretch, looser buds and not a bunch of light penetration so lower buds will suffer the most.
3 of them and you will have less plant stretch, tighter bigger buds from the top down and a significantly larger yield over 2 of them lights.

 

[Mayne]

Par in the 300-400 range? That is barely enough 2 consider vegging a plant. That is not anywhere near enough to even consider putting a plant into flower. I would like to see someone flowering plant with 300 par LOL.
Your nute strength needed (ppm or ec) is somewhat related to how much light your plants get because obviously a tiny plant all stretched out growing under CFL can't utilize the same amount of food is a plant under 1500 watts of LED but your parts per million should not match your par. Plants require different strengths as they flower weekly. The first few weeks of flower maybe seven hundred parts per million for instance, but by the 4th or 5th week you could be over a thousand parts per million without any change in par/ppfd levels. I totally get what you're saying. I often see new Growers on here growing under CFL or nowhere near enough LED and feeding their plant like it's a monster that had veg for 8 weeks under 1300 par LOL. But you can't just say that nutes strength in parts per million needs to match the par Level because every strain has a different appetite and not only that but their appetite increases and decreases throughout their life span. I think it may be better to just say if you're growing under week lights you need to cut your nutrients strength because the plant can't burn all the food you're giving it but I'm not too keen on a blanket statement that your parts-per-million should match your par.

I was using that as a reference, for the 300-400 PAR. And actually, if that is the light he is using, thats probably where he is at anyways. 300-400 PAR can grow if everything is in order. And really, with the good LEDs like COBS, 500-600 PAR perfect for bud growth.

I also said, its a good rule of thumb, and to adjust it from there.

 

[MrCountry]

Wow really thought I was doing good, I guess it will take me a while longer to get started. I'll just have to order more lights in a couple weeks. Thanks

 

[Mayne]

what are you paying for them lights?

 

[fanleaf]

I was using that as a reference, for the 300-400 PAR. And actually, if that is the light he is using, thats probably where he is at anyways. 300-400 PAR can grow if everything is in order. And really, with the good LEDs like COBS, 500-600 PAR perfect for bud growth.

I also said, its a good rule of thumb, and to adjust it from there.

That's your opinion I guess. 500 is a good veg par range. I will never allow my lowest branches in flower to have less than 800 par with 1200-1300 or so at the canopy which is about plant saturation levels without added CO2. I like big fat, rock hard dense buds. If I wanted to flower buds with only 500 par I would just grow with CFL. That's ridiculous information bro. Minimum par for decent bud development is about 800 in a 12-12 light cycle. I'm not sure where you are getting your information.

For Cannabis, the Top threshold for optimal growth and photosynthesis is a DLI of 65 moles per day.
***extremely important notice, only go up to these amounts if you are using supplemental CO2, do not go this high if you are not using supplemental CO2 as you will actually slow down photosynthesis and waste energy.

24/0 schedule: 752.31 micromoles/m2/s-1
18/6 schedule: 1128.465 micromoles/m2/s-1
12/12 schedule: 1504.6 micromoles/m2/s-1


The generally accepted guidelines for artificial light PPFD in flowering are this:
in a 12/12

PPFD of at least 510 micromoles/m2/s-1 for the low end of optimal intensity
PPFD of at least 800-1100 micromoles/m2/s-1 for perfect optimal lighting without additional CO2.
PPFD of at least 800-1500 micromoles/m2/s-1 for perfect optimal lighting WITH additional CO2.

 

[MrCountry]

Hi Mayne, so would it or would it not work if I was to purchase one more of the same

what are you paying for them lights?

I'm paying $106 for the iPlantop LED Grow Light 1000w,(15W LED) 3 Chips LED Plant Growing Lamp Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower. Would it possibly work with one more or not? I'm really confused now

 

[fanleaf]

Hi Mayne, so would it or would it not work if I was to purchase one more of the same


I'm paying $106 for the iPlantop LED Grow Light 1000w,(15W LED) 3 Chips LED Plant Growing Lamp Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower. Would it possibly work with one more or not? I'm really confused now

I just told you it will work but it will be nowhere near optimal. To be in the optimal range you will want three. If you can get another one and start with two throughout the veg cycle and then possibly pick up a third when you kick them into flower that would be optimal. Either way you would have $300 into optimal lighting for a decent-sized tent. That's not bad.
If you can only do two then you can only do two. Just know that when you add a third down the road your Harvest size and Bud size will increase significantly.

 

[MrCountry]

I honestly don't know if I'm even gonna have Room for 3 of them in that tent. I'll just have to see what I can do. Thanks

 

[fanleaf]

I honestly don't know if I'm even gonna have Room for 3 of them in that tent. I'll just have to see what I can do. Thanks

3 would fit with room to spare.

 

[MrCountry]

3 would fit with room to spare.

I guess I could get 3 in there, just need to move the carbon filter a little bit. I will order another tonight but the 3rd will just have to wait a week or 2, thanks for the help