Stunger's Organic Soil Stealth Balcony: Landrace Mulanje & Other Sativas
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And how far the leaf blower can blow the seed? Probably further than you'll be able to find it.I wonder what effect the droughting has on seed development...
I can't even find ones I drop on the kitchen floor!
ZebraCat
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It seems like the Mango has been flowering for more than 420 days and she’s aging fairly gracefully too. May the weather gods play nicely now. The other girls are looking lovely too, slightly less gnarly .
Scissor fudge…my new name for particularly sticky stanky scissor hash…only lasts a few days while fresh. Cheers Stunger, all looking good.Update - rainy days on the balcony- further thoughts on the droughted Mango Sherbert test buds
Greetings 420 enthusiasts! I have been recently focusing far more on the Mango Sherbert because she will be the first out of the gates. Once she is chopped I can be dedicated to the 2 sativas which I am really looking forward to. As once the balcony grow is finished, then it is the big lull, while waiting for Spring time again. So I am pleased that I have a couple of late finishing sativas to watch over for a little longer.
Mango Sherbert
It has been raining these past few days and look at her! With so many damaged half dead leaves, she still manages to lift them. Her buds now have that stiff rigid quality that I remember from that original droughted plant, like the buds had been blasted with hairspray.
I smile when I look at her, as she has had a hard last 4 weeks, and yet on sipping some rainfall she still proudly lifts herself!
Here is pic of small lower bud from the early tester stem of the Mango Sherbert. Next to it on the right is similar bud of Chronic Widow (not mine) that was grown outdoors but not as heavily droughted as the Mango Sherbert on the left. The Chronic gives a very nice high, but the Mango Sherbert I think gets it closer to the next level. So I am looking forward to what another 10-14 days will bring.
What I immediately noticed was how 'soft' the Chronic Widow felt in comparison to the crusty' stiff Mango Sherbert, whose sugar leaves could carry her weight and more without buckling, they seem more coated with trichomes on both sides. When I looked at the back of the Chronic's sugar leaves for comparison, there were lots of trichome 'hairs' but many hadn't developed into the glandular stems with bulbs on top. I assume from being droughted, that the extra trichome production assists the plant against insect attack too.
When cutting thru the buds with my trimming scissors, the Mango Sherbert was like cutting through fudge. This pic didn't come out well, but shows a little of the caramel stickiness of what is just a small laff bud.
We have a some more rain days ahead but some sun predicted too. It's all fingers crossed at this point!
Thanks for dropping by, keep well, and I hope you're enjoying some lovely smoke!
Scissor Fudge!!! YES!!!! @cr8grow, I think you're onto something. Since it takes so much to make this small of amount, I wonder if we can sell our scissor hash to dispensaries for top dollar? There could be two tiers - plain old pedestrian scissor hash is like $20/gram, and your Scissor Fudge is more like $30 or $35!!!Scissor fudge…my new name for particularly sticky stanky scissor hash…only lasts a few days while fresh. Cheers
How much weed do we have to trim to get rich this way?
I don’t know Jon but I’m all in to find out. Kief shoe hash is a favorite here, potent and a seemingly endless supply of fresh high quality hash. CheersScissor Fudge!!! YES!!!! @cr8grow, I think you're onto something. Since it takes so much to make this small of amount, I wonder if we can sell our scissor hash to dispensaries for top dollar? There could be two tiers - plain old pedestrian scissor hash is like $20/gram, and your Scissor Fudge is more like $30 or $35!!!
How much weed do we have to trim to get rich this way?
Haaaa! I just dropped a Zkittles on the kitchen floor last week. Found it! And then killed it...
DV8
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Fair dinkum sounds like me at the Casino at the Roulette table.
So few words but you took me on a ride there fella.
DV8
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Hey Stunger the plants look awesome mate. I typed out like a huge quoted post last evening but it went missing like a politician in a natural disaster.
That said I remember the gist of of it.
Tonight I thought to myself,
Self, theres gonna be months of Pablo for us both, my southern hemisphere outdoors friend will have not much to do but "Oo" and "Ah" over other grows for a few months.
We can warm our hands near the fire and digest and ruminant about all the things of his beautiful grow while he enjoys the fruits of his labour.
Some when the time comes, the sh*t weather mate, we will talk drilled pots and spores, and F1s, watering, trichomes etc.
Till then Im gonna let your girls do their thing while you do your thing to them. Save a bit of gravy for when we are down to pasta dura.
For now, Ill stay excited for you, Im sorry, but Ive adopted you as a brother, and them as my ext family.
That said I remember the gist of of it.
Tonight I thought to myself,
Self, theres gonna be months of Pablo for us both, my southern hemisphere outdoors friend will have not much to do but "Oo" and "Ah" over other grows for a few months.
We can warm our hands near the fire and digest and ruminant about all the things of his beautiful grow while he enjoys the fruits of his labour.
Some when the time comes, the sh*t weather mate, we will talk drilled pots and spores, and F1s, watering, trichomes etc.
Till then Im gonna let your girls do their thing while you do your thing to them. Save a bit of gravy for when we are down to pasta dura.
For now, Ill stay excited for you, Im sorry, but Ive adopted you as a brother, and them as my ext family.
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Cheers Emeraldo. That's right, like window in the house you can alway tape them if need be. This coming off season I intend to amend the pots with a decent quantity of pumice or perlite.And following your lead, I've drilled lots of holes in my pots too. Maybe I'll get a resinator too!Or maybe I should place a strip of duct tape over the holes if I will be away, just to slow down the evaporation.
Thanks BA!
I dunno Shed, it's a shoulder shrug from me! I'm guessing the plant would be protecting any seeds the most. Hopefully they'll be good when I try growing them! It's been 6 weeks since I selectively pollinated so that is plenty of time for them to mature.I wonder what effect the droughting has on seed development...
Cheers Zeb, The Mango really is very gnarly, and the little larf tester I tried was very nice. Just 1 more week before chop.
Haha, cheers cr8grow, it sure felt like fudge cutting thru it with the scissors!
Hey thanks DV8! Sorry you've been caught in limbo with the house delays, but what's ahead of you sounds really good and nice, and hopefully will push the recent travails to the far distant past.
This off season while we're both being Pablos, I will try to motivate myself to do all my amending and pre-planting tasks early in the piece. But there are so many areas to discuss and reminisce and chew the fat over about growing these wonderful plants and getting the most from them. It's good time to do it.
Cheers for the adoption and support! I'm just trying to avoid screwing up at this stage.
FTFY!
Sorry...not sorry. BIG fan of pumice over perlite. Far greater biological component with more longevity if you reuse soil. Just felt the itch to drop my 2 cents on that convo amigo! There's still a place for perlite. I still use it. But for my primary soil or no-till mixes...pumice is high in the ingredient list.
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Cheers BA, I have been mostly using pumice because perlite is so expensive here, but I had been thinking shall I splash out on some perlite so I can use what the other growers use. So thanks for that 2 cents, I'll stick to pumice!
Yeah, pumice is preferred. The perlite will break down into very fine particles over time and also will tend to float to the top reducing its soil building properties. I'm switching over to pumice myself.
Ohhh man how I get so frustrated with the floating pieces. You have to have a very slow and patient watering method for that to not happen. Lol
The floaters are annoying, but I think the other point is the more important one. The fact that some of the perlite is constantly floating up means it's no longer deep in your mix providing drainage and aeration, so your mix is getting more compact by the day.
I was reading some stuff by Clackamas Coot and noted he had switched so I did a bit more research to learn why he had done it and of course it made perfect sense once you learn the details.
I was reading some stuff by Clackamas Coot and noted he had switched so I did a bit more research to learn why he had done it and of course it made perfect sense once you learn the details.
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Update - Getting towards the end game - mostly pictures
Greetings 420 enthusiasts! We are getting down to the pointy end of the flowering stage. All the plants showed their first pistils in the first week of January. If I go on that date, then these girls have been flowering for about 16 weeks but I am not sure how comparable that is to the indoor 'flipping' of plants, I suspect that when indoor plants are flipped that probably the whole plant gets the message and starts throwing out pistils. I feel that outdoors the plants maybe aren't that quick to 'flip', that they may take a bit longer to get properly underway, so it seems hard to make a call on the number of days/weeks in flowering.
3 days ago I noticed the 2 sativas were looking a bit wilted as I hadn't watered them for several days, so I let them continue until yesterday when after further drooping I gave them all a drink. I have done a 'hard' experiment already by droughting the Mango Sherbert, and given that I am not sure how much longer I need to let the 2 sativas go, I am reluctant to over-push droughting on them, but anyway even that little bit of droughting probably contributed something. At this point I just want to get them home safely, and hopefully potently!
Here is the state of play today.
Mango Sherbert
I am looking to harvest her in 1 week. She is tough, gnarly, but still has little amber, mostly cloudy and some clear. She is purpling up a little from the colder overnight temps.
Honduras/Panama x Purple Honduras
She has some big heavy colas. But these have attracted some bud rot, the most of the 3 balcony girls, which probably isn't surprising given that she has the bigger bats to get rain soaked. She is also a tricky plant to get close to with all her leaves bristling out of her colas. However, so far she is mostly clear. I added a stake to her pot today to use to prop up some of the heavy sagging colas. It was disappointing to have to prune off bud rot damage. But hey that's nature and it's looks like I haven't lost much. However there's a silver lining, I can glean off the good bud that was growing on the damaged parts I removed and have a test of it very soon, I'm looking forward to that!
Malawi/Ethiopian x Mulanje
She has the most delicate colas of the 3 plants, but she is really frosted in her buds. I can imagine once jarred and cured that there could be a fair bit of dry sift at the bottom of the jars.
All 3 girls
Thanks for dropping by, keep well everyone, and keep those gardens tended!
Greetings 420 enthusiasts! We are getting down to the pointy end of the flowering stage. All the plants showed their first pistils in the first week of January. If I go on that date, then these girls have been flowering for about 16 weeks but I am not sure how comparable that is to the indoor 'flipping' of plants, I suspect that when indoor plants are flipped that probably the whole plant gets the message and starts throwing out pistils. I feel that outdoors the plants maybe aren't that quick to 'flip', that they may take a bit longer to get properly underway, so it seems hard to make a call on the number of days/weeks in flowering.
3 days ago I noticed the 2 sativas were looking a bit wilted as I hadn't watered them for several days, so I let them continue until yesterday when after further drooping I gave them all a drink. I have done a 'hard' experiment already by droughting the Mango Sherbert, and given that I am not sure how much longer I need to let the 2 sativas go, I am reluctant to over-push droughting on them, but anyway even that little bit of droughting probably contributed something. At this point I just want to get them home safely, and hopefully potently!
Here is the state of play today.
Mango Sherbert
I am looking to harvest her in 1 week. She is tough, gnarly, but still has little amber, mostly cloudy and some clear. She is purpling up a little from the colder overnight temps.
Honduras/Panama x Purple Honduras
She has some big heavy colas. But these have attracted some bud rot, the most of the 3 balcony girls, which probably isn't surprising given that she has the bigger bats to get rain soaked. She is also a tricky plant to get close to with all her leaves bristling out of her colas. However, so far she is mostly clear. I added a stake to her pot today to use to prop up some of the heavy sagging colas. It was disappointing to have to prune off bud rot damage. But hey that's nature and it's looks like I haven't lost much. However there's a silver lining, I can glean off the good bud that was growing on the damaged parts I removed and have a test of it very soon, I'm looking forward to that!
Malawi/Ethiopian x Mulanje
She has the most delicate colas of the 3 plants, but she is really frosted in her buds. I can imagine once jarred and cured that there could be a fair bit of dry sift at the bottom of the jars.
All 3 girls
Beautiful buds, Stunger. Love the colors. Sorry to see the rot, there always seems to be some loss to rot outdoors. It doesn't look like there was much damage. I always get anxious around harvest. Great job! 
Emeraldo
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Stunger you have stunning plants and great photos!
Yes, it's probably impossible to gauge the harvest window for outdoor plants based on the indoor flowering time indications by the breeder. It's tempting to try and use that info somehow, which assumes a controlled grow space. But in the end there are just too many variable and unpredictable intervening factors outdoors. Weather, day length, soil composition, environment, drought, wind and heat stress, amount of sunlight, pests, etc., that make the indoor info inapplicable or hard to use.
I think you are going the only way that is certain: close monitoring. Still, 16 weeks seems like a long time for a "mostly indica" hybrid posted "officially" at 8 weeks indoor, and if it were mine I'd be sampling her along the way. You've already gone longer with the Mango this year than you did with the same strain last year, correct? I just wonder why, with all the droughting you conducted, is there so little amber in your trichomes at this point? You're also past the "outdoor" indication of Oct 5 for northern latitudes as well (which would translate roughly to early April).
Yours has certainly been one of the more interesting grows here on 420 this year!
Cheers
This is awesome. Gorgeous despite the ugliness of the foliage. Who cares? The buds look so juicy it's crazy. Just visually from here it would be hard to argue your droughting had no effect. Great experiment, great work.Update - Getting towards the end game - mostly pictures
Greetings 420 enthusiasts! We are getting down to the pointy end of the flowering stage. All the plants showed their first pistils in the first week of January. If I go on that date, then these girls have been flowering for about 16 weeks but I am not sure how comparable that is to the indoor 'flipping' of plants, I suspect that when indoor plants are flipped that probably the whole plant gets the message and starts throwing out pistils. I feel that outdoors the plants maybe aren't that quick to 'flip', that they may take a bit longer to get properly underway, so it seems hard to make a call on the number of days/weeks in flowering.
3 days ago I noticed the 2 sativas were looking a bit wilted as I hadn't watered them for several days, so I let them continue until yesterday when after further drooping I gave them all a drink. I have done a 'hard' experiment already by droughting the Mango Sherbert, and given that I am not sure how much longer I need to let the 2 sativas go, I am reluctant to over-push droughting on them, but anyway even that little bit of droughting probably contributed something. At this point I just want to get them home safely, and hopefully potently!
Here is the state of play today.
Mango Sherbert
I am looking to harvest her in 1 week. She is tough, gnarly, but still has little amber, mostly cloudy and some clear. She is purpling up a little from the colder overnight temps.
Honduras/Panama x Purple Honduras
She has some big heavy colas. But these have attracted some bud rot, the most of the 3 balcony girls, which probably isn't surprising given that she has the bigger bats to get rain soaked. She is also a tricky plant to get close to with all her leaves bristling out of her colas. However, so far she is mostly clear. I added a stake to her pot today to use to prop up some of the heavy sagging colas. It was disappointing to have to prune off bud rot damage. But hey that's nature and it's looks like I haven't lost much. However there's a silver lining, I can glean off the good bud that was growing on the damaged parts I removed and have a test of it very soon, I'm looking forward to that!
Malawi/Ethiopian x Mulanje
She has the most delicate colas of the 3 plants, but she is really frosted in her buds. I can imagine once jarred and cured that there could be a fair bit of dry sift at the bottom of the jars.
All 3 girls
Thanks for dropping by, keep well everyone, and keep those gardens tended!
Stunger, you have a PHOTM in this set. Picture 16. It looks like an alien starfish. So badass. Amazing picture.