Stunger's Organic Balcony: Growing Daughters Of Mulanje: Watering Via Root Aeration Chambers

Haha first words I said.
No such thing
Thanks Lerugged!
Best full plant supercrop since GDB did his sit thing!
Cheers Shed! Actually it'd be wonderful if it could be done effectively like that.
And once again my butt is the butt of a joke! :)
Thanks GDB! It would be nice if a brief supercrop sit did the trick.
Those air chambers are working Stunger!
Cheers Otter! Well they don't seem to be holding them back.
Do you know what your dilution rate was when applied? If you made WCA - Water Soluble Calcium those are done at a 1:1,000 ratio.
Thanks Azi! I'll post up what I did shortly.
 
Update - WCA Water Soluble Calcium

Greetings 420 enthusiasts! I tried making my own homemade WCA. I viewed a few different sources on making this and settled on a process by Robert Pavlis who has a site called Garden Myths. Some of the other sites recommend heating their eggshells prior to using, to apparently burn off the egg shell membrane. One of the clips even mentioned that sometimes the vinegar would not bubble as much if the shells weren't browned enough beforehand, which was something that I doubted. Anyway, I didn't heat mine and they still bubbled like crazy. I liked Robert Palvis's method because he begins with an excess of egg shells to allow all the available vinegar to be used up.

DIY Cal-Mag Fertilizer (Calcium Acetate) - Does It Work? - Garden Myths

I began with fine crushed eggshells


After 48 hours the reaction appears over


The resulting Calcium Acetate solution


By my reckoning, the vinegar I used (ordinary white vinegar) was stated to have a concentration of 4 - 4.2%. On completion after 48 hours, I tasted several drops, there remains a very weak and watery vinegar taste. If all the vinegar reacted to the Calcium of the egg shells then I assume the resulting concentration of Calcium Acetate would be about 2 - 2.1%. However, I am only guessing and prefer to think of it as not being the optimal maximum but maybe 1.5%?

So far I given all 3 plants each a daily single dose of it for 3 days, which has been about 700ml water and 1/3 of a tsp of the Calcium Acetate solution. Which is I think a nice low (gentle) dose to test what the response it. Maybe too low?

So far after 3 days application, it doesn't seem to have made any difference. A few weeks ago I gave all 3 plants 1/3 tsp of Epsom salts, so they recently had a bit of Magnesium. However, I will continue for a few more days at 1/3 tsp, and then maybe I will look at using it to make a Cal-Mag solution?

I wonder if @Gee64 can make any comment.
 
Thanks GDB! It would be nice if a brief supercrop sit did the trick.
You'd need a big old butt for those bushes you have! :)
 
Update - WCA Water Soluble Calcium

Greetings 420 enthusiasts! I tried making my own homemade WCA. I viewed a few different sources on making this and settled on a process by Robert Pavlis who has a site called Garden Myths. Some of the other sites recommend heating their eggshells prior to using, to apparently burn off the egg shell membrane. One of the clips even mentioned that sometimes the vinegar would not bubble as much if the shells weren't browned enough beforehand, which was something that I doubted. Anyway, I didn't heat mine and they still bubbled like crazy. I liked Robert Palvis's method because he begins with an excess of egg shells to allow all the available vinegar to be used up.

DIY Cal-Mag Fertilizer (Calcium Acetate) - Does It Work? - Garden Myths

I began with fine crushed eggshells


After 48 hours the reaction appears over


The resulting Calcium Acetate solution


By my reckoning, the vinegar I used (ordinary white vinegar) was stated to have a concentration of 4 - 4.2%. On completion after 48 hours, I tasted several drops, there remains a very weak and watery vinegar taste. If all the vinegar reacted to the Calcium of the egg shells then I assume the resulting concentration of Calcium Acetate would be about 2 - 2.1%. However, I am only guessing and prefer to think of it as not being the optimal maximum but maybe 1.5%?

So far I given all 3 plants each a daily single dose of it for 3 days, which has been about 700ml water and 1/3 of a tsp of the Calcium Acetate solution. Which is I think a nice low (gentle) dose to test what the response it. Maybe too low?

So far after 3 days application, it doesn't seem to have made any difference. A few weeks ago I gave all 3 plants 1/3 tsp of Epsom salts, so they recently had a bit of Magnesium. However, I will continue for a few more days at 1/3 tsp, and then maybe I will look at using it to make a Cal-Mag solution?

I wonder if @Gee64 can make any comment.
When I add calcium to water I like to be in the 50-60 ppm range. I would start there. Also check the ph. If its 6-7 your pretty safe. Low dose more often is better long term for calcium.
 
When I add calcium to water I like to be in the 50-60 ppm range. I would start there. Also check the ph. If its 6-7 your pretty safe. Low dose more often is better long term for calcium.
Thanks Gee!

I never check the pH of my LOS. And so far I have never made any ppm calculations.

I used someone else's workings for Calcium Acetate and my understanding from that is, 1g of Calcium Acetate (C4H6CaO4) has approximately 253mg of elemental calcium. So if I add 1 gram of Calcium Acetate which is about 253mg of elemental Calcium to 1 litre of water I should have a resulting concentration of 253ppm of Calcium.

However, I am beginning with Calcium Acetate in solution that is at best 2 - 2.1% in concentration because it was derived from vinegar of a 4 - 4.2% concentration. And as I suggested earlier I probably should assume that the resulting concentration is not maximum, but maybe it is a bit less than 2%.

But what I am getting at, if my Calcium Acetate is say 2% in solution, then my resulting ppm when 1 gram is added to a litre of water, would then be just 2% of the above concentration of 253ppm. If I haven't screwed up my logic and calculations, then that would mean only about 5.6ppm! Which would explain why not a lot is happening, altho I have only given this small amount for 4 days now.

If my reasoning above is correct then to reach a desired range of 50 - 60 ppm, I would need to give approximately 20 times what I am currently adding to 1 litre of water. In other words instead of 1/4 tsp, I'd need to give 5 tsp of my Calcium Acetate solution which then would result in a concentration of approx 56ppm, or a bit less if my solution is not quite 2%.

So sorry for this word/number salad. But does any of the above make any sense? Thanks in advance!
 
Thanks Gee!

I never check the pH of my LOS. And so far I have never made any ppm calculations.

I used someone else's workings for Calcium Acetate and my understanding from that is, 1g of Calcium Acetate (C4H6CaO4) has approximately 253mg of elemental calcium. So if I add 1 gram of Calcium Acetate which is about 253mg of elemental Calcium to 1 litre of water I should have a resulting concentration of 253ppm of Calcium.

However, I am beginning with Calcium Acetate in solution that is at best 2 - 2.1% in concentration because it was derived from vinegar of a 4 - 4.2% concentration. And as I suggested earlier I probably should assume that the resulting concentration is not maximum, but maybe it is a bit less than 2%.

But what I am getting at, if my Calcium Acetate is say 2% in solution, then my resulting ppm when 1 gram is added to a litre of water, would then be just 2% of the above concentration of 253ppm. If I haven't screwed up my logic and calculations, then that would mean only about 5.6ppm! Which would explain why not a lot is happening, altho I have only given this small amount for 4 days now.

If my reasoning above is correct then to reach a desired range of 50 - 60 ppm, I would need to give approximately 20 times what I am currently adding to 1 litre of water. In other words instead of 1/4 tsp, I'd need to give 5 tsp of my Calcium Acetate solution which then would result in a concentration of approx 56ppm, or a bit less if my solution is not quite 2%.

So sorry for this word/number salad. But does any of the above make any sense? Thanks in advance!
Geez I don't know if I would try that without a ppm meter. If you do increase it do it slowly.
 
Update - Supercropping completed for this round!

Greetings 420 enthusiasts! Today I went to work supercropping the 2 remaining plants. @Grand Daddy Black was going to pop around for a coffee and give me a hand but unfortunately he couldn't make it, and so I had to settle for using the pliers instead! haha.

First one supercropped of the two remaining


And next the last one is done


The 2 done today

Both of these I can measure to about 4 1/2 feet across. I don't want them getting too much wider now. Both of these plants I did little cropping with training wire, so I will probably have to secure down those that pop up in the coming days.


And all 3 together



From the side window

Anyway, that's the scores on the doors today, thanks for dropping in, I hope your own gardens are going great! :ganjamon:
 
Geez I don't know if I would try that without a ppm meter. If you do increase it do it slowly.

I based my previous calculation on someone's else's working, where 1 gram of dry Calcium Acetate contains approximately 253mg of elemental Calcium, which they say is 253,000ppm. When diluted in 1 litre of water would be 253ppm.

I have found another calculation done by some guys who are calculating the ppm of Calcium Acetate when it is added to a 600L aquarium. I wanted to use their working to see if it would confirm the above calculation I made.

The aquarium people said 10 grams of dry Calcium Acetate would add 4ppm to 600 litres of water. So I multiplied their 10 grams by the earlier figure of 253mg, to give 2,530mg, and then divided it by 600 to get the ppm concentration in 1 litre of water, where it would equal about 4.2ppm rounded. So using my earlier figures it appears the two calculations are in sync. Unless, I have duffed it up of course.

But, using the aquarium calculation as confirmation, I think I will have to use about 5 teaspoons of my Calcium Acetate solution to give approx 56ppm. So far over 4 days I have only added a quarter teaspoon a day which I worked out to about 5.6ppm, so 1 teaspoon in total, which if it was given in a single serving of 1 litre would be about 22.4ppm.

I don't blame anyone from steering clear of this post, as it is all a bit gobblygooky to read, but that is where I think I am with it.
:lot-o-toke:
 
I don't really follow exactly what you're doing with the calcium, but you do, so I'm going to assume that a "well done, Stunger!" would fit in right about here...🤔
As for the supercropping...that's an expert job right there!
 
Update - Calcium given for yellowing... Some leaf yellowing seen

In the meantime, I have made some calcium solution from egg shells and vinegar to address some yellowing of leaves, mostly to the Mulanje HP. I might also do a batch as Cal/Mag too, altho I have never ever used either before. So far, after an early 3 days, of 1/3 of a tsp per day of 2-2.1% Calcium Acetate I am not noticing any improvement, I think it is a very modest dose but I am not sure, but feel it best to start small. I am planning on giving them a top dressing of bloom ferts in another 2 or 3 weeks. I will probably make some comment about this in a few days, when then I can hopefully see some improvement or change my approach. Overall, the plants look fine for now being in their 5th month of life, so the yellowing is not a biggie, not for now anyway!

I don't blame anyone from steering clear of this post, as it is all a bit gobblygooky to read, but that is where I think I am with it.
:lot-o-toke:

If I leave out all the confusing ppm calculations, it makes sense! But I've never seen @Stunger reach for the bottled nutes before, so this is a major shifting of your approach...

Do you have any closeup photos of the Cal def?
 
Greetings 420 enthusiasts! Today I went to work supercropping the 2 remaining plants. @Grand Daddy Black was going to pop around for a coffee and give me a hand but unfortunately he couldn't make it, and so I had to settle for using the pliers instead! haha.
GDB reportedly doesn't use his hands as he has a quicker, more efficient, way of getting the task done. I don't know that the act has actually been documented but the results spoke for themselves.
 
I don't really follow exactly what you're doing with the calcium, but you do, so I'm going to assume that a "well done, Stunger!" would fit in right about here...🤔
As for the supercropping...that's an expert job right there!
Thanks Carcass! I was having to rush as I was being repeatedly told to hurry up, but my posting on it is a mess to read. It even messes with now. I was hoping someone might grasp what I was trying to do and shine a light on it.
I bet they are enjoying the sunshine. Nice work. :thumb:
Cheers Stinker! That sunshine has been quite rare too, but apparently we have some more coming. It'll be welcome.
If I leave out all the confusing ppm calculations, it makes sense! But I've never seen @Stunger reach for the bottled nutes before, so this is a major shifting of your approach...
You are right, previously I would just carry out a dry top dress every now and then. No pH or ppm's for me.

Compared to the indoor folk who are very knowledgeable on giving direct nutrients and keeping everything in great balance, I have only ever given pretty much dry amendments, and in particular for 'yellowing leaves' I'd always reached for an amendment with Nitrogen in it. But what changed it for me, was a post by @Gee64, I cut n pasted within an earlier update (it's highlighted in blue text for quick access, haha) --> here. Before reading this, I probably would have given the Mulanje HP a Nitrogen amendment, but I immediately wanted to try it because it seemed to me that it could be quite probable it's a Calcium deficiency that was causing Magnesium to lock up the Nitrogen, it was there but not available to the plant. When I read this it was like when I heard about SIPS, it only sunk in when @Azimuth mentioned about the air gap in them, so similarly when Gee explained this I felt I had to try it out.

Now I don't have a ppm reader, I have never seen one. But I understand the ppm can be calculated from molecular weights. I last did that in high school and I have long forgotten it. But going on the statements of others who remember how to do it. 1 gram of dry Calcium Acetate contains approximately 253mg of elemental Calcium, which when diluted in 1 litre of water would be 253ppm. I only need around 1/5 of that (which would give me 50.6ppm).

Gee suggested, When I add calcium to water I like to be in the 50-60 ppm range. I would start there.

This seems very useful especially for growing in living soil.

So how much of my Calcium Acetate solution do I need to add to 1 litre of water to give 50 - 60ppm without a ppm reader?

Lets assume that the reaction was complete and all vinegar is used up. In reality I could still taste/smell it in a very very faint soft watery way. So maybe it was 98%, who knows, lets assume it fully used up all the vinegar component when it reacted with the egg shells, so 100%.

My vinegar was stated to be between 4 - 4.2% Again, let's say it's 4%

I used excess shells to ensure that there was excess for the vinegar component to be all used up (or thereabouts)

Its been given that 1 gram of dry Calcium Acetate contains approximately 253mg of elemental Calcium, which when diluted in 1 litre of water would be 253ppm. I only need around 1/5 of that (which would give me 50.6ppm).

So if my vinegar was 4% in concentration, and it was all used up. And the Calcium atoms each bonded with 2 Acetate molecules until there were no more left, the reaction stops, no more bubbling. Which means if fully completed my resulting Calcium Acetate would have a concentration of 2%.

So working backwards (I am probably tripping badly and don't know it), if my Calcium Acetate was 100% pure (it'd have to be dry for that of course) then it would give 253ppm if 1 gram was added to 1 litre of water.

So how much is 1 gram of Calcium Acetate salt by volume? I going to guess at 1/4 teaspoon as being thereabouts.

As mine is only 2%
, 1/4 tsp added to 1 litre would give 1/50 of the above 253ppm of 1 gram pure, i.e. 5.06ppm

So how much do I need to add to 1 litre of water to get around the lower of the range? 10 quarter teaspoons (or 2 and half teaspoons) gives 50.6ppm, so that's probably a good starting point. Altho, I am probably way off, it is good I rechecked, I said twice as much before. :lot-o-toke:

Well congrats if you made, it's probably rubbish, it's all ballpark'ish until someone points out where I am mucking up.
Do you have any closeup photos of the Cal def?
Here are a couple here, as you can see from the others pics, the plant (well all of them have had a few yellow leaves, but they are now 4 months 1 week since sprouting so some leaves dying off isn't too unexpected. But the Mulanje HP, while overall she looks green, she has more yellowing leave than I'd like her to have. Hence, I feel I that I have to do something.

Here are a couple of the underneath and closer from above, they mostly are more central (older?) and throughout the central column area it seems. Not particularly all lower or anything.



Laughing so hard here. Haha.
Well it's a mess Lerugged, stoned, being hassled and in a rush. Now it's 1:30am and I'm brain dead, probably making a similar effort this attempt too. Let me know if you see me doing it wrong, it probably is, too late now. Cheers! :ganjamon:
 
Your math is probably correct but personally I never guess with calcium.

Too much causes damage, especially in elemental forms. Its powerful stuff.

But if you dump it in my morbid curiosity will definitely watch!

The thing to remember with calcium is its heavy and doesn't bind well so as you water it always moves down.

The top of the pot gets deficient and nitro can start to get locked, so topdressing it lightly and regularly, or small lighter doses in solution watered in more often is the real key, not extra strength.

Please be careful.
 
You can find out if the vinegar has been neutralised by putting a small amount in a shot glass and adding a pinch of baking soda.
If it reacts, the vinegar hasn't been neutralised.
Are all the yellowing leaves on shaded parts of the plant?
 
Update - WCA Water Soluble Calcium

Greetings 420 enthusiasts! I tried making my own homemade WCA. I viewed a few different sources on making this and settled on a process by Robert Pavlis who has a site called Garden Myths. Some of the other sites recommend heating their eggshells prior to using, to apparently burn off the egg shell membrane. One of the clips even mentioned that sometimes the vinegar would not bubble as much if the shells weren't browned enough beforehand, which was something that I doubted. Anyway, I didn't heat mine and they still bubbled like crazy. I liked Robert Palvis's method because he begins with an excess of egg shells to allow all the available vinegar to be used up.

DIY Cal-Mag Fertilizer (Calcium Acetate) - Does It Work? - Garden Myths

I began with fine crushed eggshells


After 48 hours the reaction appears over


The resulting Calcium Acetate solution


By my reckoning, the vinegar I used (ordinary white vinegar) was stated to have a concentration of 4 - 4.2%. On completion after 48 hours, I tasted several drops, there remains a very weak and watery vinegar taste. If all the vinegar reacted to the Calcium of the egg shells then I assume the resulting concentration of Calcium Acetate would be about 2 - 2.1%. However, I am only guessing and prefer to think of it as not being the optimal maximum but maybe 1.5%?

So far I given all 3 plants each a daily single dose of it for 3 days, which has been about 700ml water and 1/3 of a tsp of the Calcium Acetate solution. Which is I think a nice low (gentle) dose to test what the response it. Maybe too low?

So far after 3 days application, it doesn't seem to have made any difference. A few weeks ago I gave all 3 plants 1/3 tsp of Epsom salts, so they recently had a bit of Magnesium. However, I will continue for a few more days at 1/3 tsp, and then maybe I will look at using it to make a Cal-Mag solution?

I wonder if @Gee64 can make any comment.
I like your approach to making it! I'm a few days away from a small batch of an oyster shell flour soak in white vinegar being done.
 
I like your approach to making it! I'm a few days away from a small batch of an oyster shell flour soak in white vinegar being done.
Hey SO, I'm going to try this with oyster shell flour too this Spring. Can you please let me know how you make out?

Any tips or tricks you find would definitely be appreciated to start me off solidly.
 
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