Strawberry Cough? Yes Please! LOS Grown

Emilya said:
6 days is too long to go without watering... the top roots will go dormant. You want to come in with a mini watering every 3 days or so while you are waiting for the bottom to dry out. Your goal is to sync up top and bottom and finally get to a 3 day or so watering cycle, at the most. Your extended burned looking tips and clawing looks to be a potassium deficiency.
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I think this is the whole problem. I just watered and it took a couple of cups more than last time. On the 3rd day I'll drop a gallon on top of the 15 gal pot. Then I'll watch growth until the 6th day of the previous water. Maybe the 5th. Some of these plants don't wilt like others and I mess them up.
Remember 21 days ago this one was terribly root-bound and showed many symptoms that disappeared with the up-pot. Those are the tips you're looking at I think. I hope.
 
Skybound said:
Maybe sulfur too?

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I do think she's not taking in K right now due to under-watering. I'll be improving my watering starting with Emilya's suggestion of getting some on top so the bottom can dry out! She's not telling me she's thirsty until this.
 
TheGreenYeti said:
When I ran 15s I only ever gave them 2 gallons at a time and othe rthan the first time after up potting I was watering between every 3 and 5 days.
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Thanks Yeti, good method.
 
I checked this morning and there's little progression of the sickness if any.:high-five: The color of the new shoots is nice and light again and appear to be growing. She always looks tired this time of day, minutes before lights out, so later I hope to have a more robust sight to report on.
I changed the yellow sticky trap yesterday and it caught 2 on top. I didn't look at the bottom. Not bad.(Don't think they're eating on the roots)

Bringing this one into a 15 gal pot from a 5 was a big jump and I think when I get the roots back to some kind of balance this will go away. Given history, she could shed half of her leaves because of my mistake. At 150 days old no one is in a hurry. My goal was and is to grow this plant better than I did last time. It shouldn't be hard if you remember how poorly it went :), however I am, but hardly, making progress. With that said, I'm positive we'll get this. All in all I think she's in recovery mode.
 
Emilya said:
Lets solve the flyers problem. Pine Bark Mulch. I tend to have gnats in my radio room next door if I leave something out... I have gnats in other places in the basement. I do not have gnats in my grow tent.
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OK, I believe the mulch to be oak and/or maple as that's in the wood pile. I cooked it before bringing it in the house. Do you suggest another form of mulch?
 
Hey SO! That Mama Mia on your mates roof looks awesome, what a beast of a plant. It's probably quite a bit of extra effort climbing up there but they'll have no shortage of sunlight that's for sure haha.
Your Strawberry is looking so good! :high-five: Good eye on catching the underwatering. 15 gal is big and i sometimes struggle to work out the wet / dry cycle with these big pots as it generally takes quite a few days for the bottom third of the pot to dry up and then i'm worried about the microbes dying off in the top half of the soil. Anyway, i like what Emy said about giving a small watering to the top half of the soil while the bottom is still drying out, and i'll try that out next round i'm playing with some big pots.
Looks great and loads of new growth on your Strawberry brother, she's going to be one hell of a plant once we get to bloom!
 
irie lion said:
Hey SO! That Mama Mia on your mates roof looks awesome, what a beast of a plant. It's probably quite a bit of extra effort climbing up there but they'll have no shortage of sunlight that's for sure haha.
Your Strawberry is looking so good! :high-five: Good eye on catching the underwatering. 15 gal is big and i sometimes struggle to work out the wet / dry cycle with these big pots as it generally takes quite a few days for the bottom third of the pot to dry up and then i'm worried about the microbes dying off in the top half of the soil. Anyway, i like what Emy said about giving a small watering to the top half of the soil while the bottom is still drying out, and i'll try that out next round i'm playing with some big pots.
Looks great and loads of new growth on your Strawberry brother, she's going to be one hell of a plant once we get to bloom!
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Hey irie, they're doing the plant justice! Water and microbes so far. I like Mama Mia enough too. No bugs up there either yet.
I'm hoping the underwatering idea hits the bullseye. I'm guilty of it in the past. Makes sense to manage it in the big pot. Enjoy your day.
 
stoneotter said:
OK, I believe the mulch to be oak and/or maple as that's in the wood pile. I cooked it before bringing it in the house. Do you suggest another form of mulch?
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Just avoid cedar and walnut and you should be ok... any mulch will keep the bugs away from the surface of the soil as they are too stupid to figure out how to get through the mulch. I have noticed that the pine bark mulch not only last longer, but it does seem to actively repel pests along with being a physical barrier.
 
Emilya said:
Just avoid cedar and walnut and you should be ok... any mulch will keep the bugs away from the surface of the soil as they are too stupid to figure out how to get through the mulch. I have noticed that the pine bark mulch not only last longer, but it does seem to actively repel pests along with being a physical barrier.
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Sorry if this is a dumb question, but do you move the bark aside when watering, or just water right through the mulch?
 
Skybound said:
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but do you move the bark aside when watering, or just water right through the mulch?
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Right through. Edit: There's no questions other than good ones and this is one.
 
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Observation
Today I checked at a moment before lights out and found her like I do normally. Tired looking. Same yesterday, and when I look later this afternoon she'll be bright and cheerful looking again if history repeats. I don't totally understand what's happening here but I figure it's to do with my watering practice being less than perfect.

My Thoughts
Getting outside of my previous thoughts I have to say that this plant is quite massive now and to expect it to be growing like a Porsche watering it every 6 days was me not thinking clearly. My new job is to get this one to want water every 2 or 3 days. She has to be almost there given the foliage development that's starting.
It's already begun.

Tha Plan
I noticed the problem on the 4th day from water and watered on the 5th to see a fast pick up and return to growing well. Was I sleeping? So it's 2 days since i gave water and I put a gallon on top this morning. I'm going to wait 3 days unless I see a glimpse of want, then give a full water. At that time I want to try a 4 day cycle and suspect it will go to 3 quickly and if I'm lucky 2.

The damage seems to be at bay. Rust spots are appearing but I expect the leaves to hang around for the duration.

Gnats
It's been a few days short of a month since I inoculated the soil with Safers Garden Dust to keep fungus gnat larva down to a reasonable amount. There were a dozen gnats in the trap overnight so I re did the Safers treatment and kept the fans blowing across the soil. Question: Does a neem treatment through the soil disrupt terribly the microlife? I don't necessarily need it now but if they get out of control a nuke option would be good.
 
stoneotter said:
Observation
Today I checked at a moment before lights out and found her like I do normally. Tired looking. Same yesterday, and when I look later this afternoon she'll be bright and cheerful looking again if history repeats. I don't totally understand what's happening here but I figure it's to do with my watering practice being less than perfect.

My Thoughts
Getting outside of my previous thoughts I have to say that this plant is quite massive now and to expect it to be growing like a Porsche watering it every 6 days was me not thinking clearly. My new job is to get this one to want water every 2 or 3 days. She has to be almost there given the foliage development that's starting.
It's already begun.

Tha Plan
I noticed the problem on the 4th day from water and watered on the 5th to see a fast pick up and return to growing well. Was I sleeping? So it's 2 days since i gave water and I put a gallon on top this morning. I'm going to wait 3 days unless I see a glimpse of want, then give a full water. At that time I want to try a 4 day cycle and suspect it will go to 3 quickly and if I'm lucky 2.

The damage seems to be at bay. Rust spots are appearing but I expect the leaves to hang around for the duration.

Gnats
It's been a few days short of a month since I inoculated the soil with Safers Garden Dust to keep fungus gnat larva down to a reasonable amount. There were a dozen gnats in the trap overnight so I re did the Safers treatment and kept the fans blowing across the soil. Question: Does a neem treatment through the soil disrupt terribly the microlife? I don't necessarily need it now but if they get out of control a nuke option would be good.
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love the plan... now you're getting it.
The neem isn't too bad, but I have been where you are, fighting the bugs and tossing this and that at them... I am in to even more natural and preventative cures, not fighting the problem as it is occurring.
I have found three things to be very effective for the bugs that I most hate... pine bark mulch for gnats in the tent, growing a few mint plants in the house to drive away spiders and other bugs, and lacto on the leaves to take care of larvae layers. :peace::love:
 
stoneotter said:
Tha Plan
.................. and I put a gallon on top this morning. I'm going to wait 3 days unless I see a glimpse of want, then give a full water. At that time I want to try a 4 day cycle and suspect it will go to 3 quickly and if I'm lucky 2.
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If it's taking 3+ days to dry off 1 gallon of water, wouldn't a "full water" put you at a 6 day dry out again? I thought your aim was to give less water to encourage faster soil drying?
 
Emilya said:
love the plan... now you're getting it.
The neem isn't too bad, but I have been where you are, fighting the bugs and tossing this and that at them... I am in to even more natural and preventative cures, not fighting the problem as it is occurring.
I have found three things to be very effective for the bugs that I most hate... pine bark mulch for gnats in the tent, growing a few mint plants in the house to drive away spiders and other bugs, and lacto on the leaves to take care of larvae layers. :peace::love:
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I've been lacking in my drive to Lacto Ville. It's past time! I'll load dear Mom for a drive to the store for some good milk and rice today. I forgot about it on the back burner. I have your recipe here.

For right now I'm sticking with The Rev's comments that they will become an asset as long as I inoculate with Safers. I got a little behind last grow and it still worked well. I didn't have gnats before the LOS soil and I'm apparently a serial underwaterer. This is an interesting bump in the road.
 
Skybound said:
If it's taking 3+ days to dry off 1 gallon of water, wouldn't a "full water" put you at a 6 day dry out again? I thought your aim was to give less water to encourage faster soil drying?
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Hey Sky, I believe I missed her signal for water for 2 days at least but I'm not sure. That would make her thirsty on a 4 day schedule as I type. Maybe even 3. Here's what happened. She's too massive to slow water now I think.

When I saw her sick I gave her a full watering with 3 gallons and runoff that receded back in 15 minutes on the 5th day. So she may even want water every 3 now actually. Anyway, I noticed she was tired today before lights out so I gave her 1 gallon. It's 2 days since the 3 gallons. I know it's getting convoluted but I plan this to be for a very short time. I think I may have damaged some top roots and want them to begin some recovery(top water 2 or 3 times max). By then she'll be roaring like a lion and I'll be watering full water more often than I want. If I'm lucky! I'll be surprised if it takes > 2 weeks.

One reason for growing this one again is to figure why I grew her mom so badly last time. This might be a THE major factor I missed during the whole last grow.
 
IDK how The Rev's method differs from DBHBB, but they do pot dunking which I assume is about the same as filling the trays so they leach from the bottom, but I'm still trying to figure out the "why" for that practice. Does the Rev mention anything to this effect?

As a rough est, I'd say I'm a couple 3-6 months behind you in transition. I'm still in hydro now, but will be is something similar to the DBHBB in a few months and I need to glean from you what I can.
 
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