Sqwheels' Perpetual 2L Hempy + Moms

[OG13]

Hey sqwheels, you could put the big mom into flower now.....if you have room. The little one will give you plenty of clones in 6 weeks. Glad you got it like you want it,"I love it when a plan comes together"

(quote from the A-team)

 

[sqwheels]

Hey Mr.K,

Thanks for the vid, informative, but...it starts with a mature plant and cuts it down to bonsai size and style, you're probably right about the juniper. I started with a cutting so it's a little different...

I think you did a great job with your mom's...maybe you should do a tutorial how many pictures did you take along the way?

I didn't "wrap" the branches exactly, basically I restricted their growth with baggie ties to make her branches spread out more than up...that way the inside has more light exposure...she's got maybe 6 actual branches, and because I only pinched the growing tips all her nodes have grown into potential cuttings, there's maybe 20-25 on her and they are about 2" with 2-3 nodes really close (good for rooting, I think) even if she doesn't look like a bonsai I think she'll be an excellent donor and she bearly takes up 1 sq ft... I cleaned her up a bit yesterday and took some pics I'll post in an update later

Thanks again for lookin in

 

[sqwheels]

Hi Frat,

I'd like to experiment with more plants/cuttings, but I don't want to go over my limit...which I think sucks, I think the limit should apply only to blooming plants, that way I could do exactly what you're talking about. I could learn so much more like that...

I don't want to jinks myself, but I've actually had pretty good success for a beginner, everthing I've planted/cut has grown...somehow. Even the seedling I thought was going to die is growing good now.

about the cloner...check out 420fied's DIY 50 site...it's cheaper and works great...for him

Start a journal on your mom's, call it whatever you want...I'd sub for sure. For a beginner and wingin' it you've done a great job. Worth the read.

 

[sqwheels]

420fied said it all sqwheels. If you didn't say a thing.....your girls and the set up look professional. Well done, my friend!

Thank you so much...like I said to 420, it means a lot coming from such master growers such as yourselves...but, it's only because of y'all that I've gotten this far.

If you hadn't been YOU, being my first friend here @ 420mag, this may never have happened. Much !!!

 

[sqwheels]

Hey sqwheels, you could put the big mom into flower now.....if you have room. The little one will give you plenty of clones in 6 weeks. Glad you got it like you want it,"I love it when a plan comes together"

(quote from the A-team)

Hi OG,

I had that very thought yesterday while I was trimming her up a little...but, she would be so far behind the others that it would mess with harvest time and hanging/drying space...I'll have to rethink my room setup, now that my son has moved out I have the entire room not just the two closets...woohoo

I think it's Mr.K's journal, I saw a simple box with hangers and clips...they just need dark/dry/and a little circulation...right?

 

[OG13]

Lower humidity than the buds and air circulation are the only real constraints. Some light is OK, just don't do it in the sun or right under a grow light. Sunlight breaks down THC....It's dry in the winter. Hang the plants on a hanger and put a paper bag over the top of everything and hang it up, repeat as needed. The paper bag can be "closed up" at the bottom to slow the dry for a better cure. Just check once or twice a day.

 

[sqwheels]

OG,

What a great idea...the paper bag thing, I love the DIY cheapies. I was just talking to T tonight about a cardboard moving box, something like 2'x2'x36"tall and hangers with clips, but the paperbags sound even easier. I've got a little more space and can now think perpetual...finally. At just under 1000sq ft, this house is just too small to expand much. I'm determined to use the space I have as efficiently as I can.

Thanks for the great

speaking of lights...what will a black light do to plants? Do you know? specifically the night cycle of those in bloom? I can't find a green cfl anywhere in town, they are always sold out...Go figure, but I have a black light already hanging in that room...only need to plug it in, if it's safe

 

[sqwheels]

Hi All,

Can't wait til Monday...I've got new pics so here's an update, 21 days 12/12, 12 days since I saw first flowers...

Wonder Woman clones still having some kind of issue, and I'm still not sure what's wrong...any ideas would sure be appreciated, nothing I've done so far has helped

A couple of these are pretty twisted now and it appears to be progressing up the plant to the next set of fan leaves, but only the fan leaves in the middle 1/3 off the plants are affected, the rest of the plants look good, the lower leaves look healthy and the tops also look good as these next pics show

you can see trics forming nicely...

even down the stalk the buds and smaller leaves look healthy

Here's my dilema...today is day 21, I should defoliate all those fan leaves, I want to get rid of them...but I've read if the plants are not completely healthy you shouldn't take those leaves off... makes sense, maybe they're using them, and that's why they look like they do...or maybe they don't need them anymore and they're dying off...sorry, thinking/rambling again.

It's late now, guess I'll decide in the morning...if you want to chime in on this, please do so.


Anyway,,,here's the babies, I can't believe how fast they are growing...popped 12-30-11
OG kush x ultimate

How early can you sex? Could those specs be hairs?

Pineapple Express

I hope you enjoy lookin at 'em as much as I enjoy growin 'em

 

[OldMedMan]

OG,

What a great idea...the paper bag thing, I love the DIY cheapies. I was just talking to T tonight about a cardboard moving box, something like 2'x2'x36"tall and hangers with clips, but the paperbags sound even easier. I've got a little more space and can now think perpetual...finally. At just under 1000sq ft, this house is just too small to expand much. I'm determined to use the space I have as efficiently as I can.

Thanks for the great

speaking of lights...what will a black light do to plants? Do you know? specifically the night cycle of those in bloom? I can't find a green cfl anywhere in town, they are always sold out...Go figure, but I have a black light already hanging in that room...only need to plug it in, if it's safe

Hi sqwheels.

I do both. First I hang them in the box for fews days.....depending on how fast they dry. Then to paper bags to dry a bit more. Be sure not let the buds touch each other. Even though I have holes in the bags, I open them once or more during the day and move them round so they are in different positions.
When I think they are ready I move them to glass and burp them often. I actually spread them out on a table once or twice a day so they are not touching and let them breath a bit more. Finally into the jars for the long cure.
Don't know about black lights. I really hope you can find a couple of green CFLs. You can be in the room with them and work on the girls without fear of causing problems.

 

[sqwheels]

Hi OMM,

Until now I have been using the flower room (4x5 closet) to hang and dry, after cutting. I do it much the same as you do... but now I have the entire room (son moved out) so I'm figuring I can dry outside the closet and keep a perpetual grow going from now on...just needed a good, cheap/simple/small, idea for dark/dry/air circ for the hanging part. The paperbag thing will work perfectly. Never thought of that one, but until now all my plants were too big for that, now they are small, single colas for the most part

I got your info, thanks...I did like you asked, it's gone now. I'll be checkin' you out soon. Tell Jo Hi

 

[OldMedMan]

Hi OMM,

Until now I have been using the flower room (4x5 closet) to hang and dry, after cutting. I do it much the same as you do... but now I have the entire room (son moved out) so I'm figuring I can dry outside the closet and keep a perpetual grow going from now on...just needed a good, cheap/simple/small, idea for dark/dry/air circ for the hanging part. The paperbag thing will work perfectly. Never thought of that one, but until now all my plants were too big for that, now they are small, single colas for the most part

I got your info, thanks...I did like you asked, it's gone now. I'll be checkin' you out soon. Tell Jo Hi

Hi sqwheels. I envy you for having a room to dry in. I bought a round hanging screen for clothing
with different levels....I've aways wanted to dry that way. My closets are too small for it. That will be me in the backyard smoking a pipe.

 

[sqwheels]

Hi OMM,

It's all in the same room now...a bedroom 8x10, and 2 closets, 1 - 4x5 for flower, and 1 - 2x4 for veg. I'm working on getting shelves put up and I've got a nice 8' banquet table in there...it's coming along. I feel like a regular gardener these days.

It's the white one with a green roof, right? Some bushes out front? Something flowering white, can't quite tell what it is. Hey, I see you

 

[GimmeTheGoods]

Just popped in,at work cant go through everything. Looking good but......DONT remove ANY fan leaves at ALL! Unless,their already dead or blocking bud sites from getting light but even then its better to tuck em. They are what helps your plant grow big healthy frosty buds. They soak up the light and 'feed' your.flowers the energy they need to produce. As far as ur quest with whats wrong,could be alot of things. N def., Cal def....etc etc. best advice when encountering a problem and you dont know exactly what it is,flush with plain ph'd water (3x the pot size) then wait a week and go from there. Question,are you still giving her 'grow' products or just bloom? Sometimes depending.on strain n what not you may want to continue feeding N up until the 3week of flower. U may also need to add Cal mag a few Weeks into flower also.

 

[Mr. Krip]

Sqwheels, your girls all look great. The first two pics show what appears to be a Magnesium deficiency. You can tell this by the yellowing BETWEEN the leaf veins while the veins themselves stay green, which is called "intervenal banding". You may want to treat her with epsom salt or cal/mag.

I would still defoliate, but I live on the edge!

It'll take about 4-6 weeks of veg before you can really tell sex, but you can take a clone as soon as she can give one, put that in flower right away, and tell a little sooner.

 

[GimmeTheGoods]

I skimmed through your last journal, I saw when u dried after harvest you put a fan directly on the buds. Thats not good bro, you can n should have a fan on low.to circulate air but not blowing directly. That will.dry em too fast n give u a harsh smoke. It should take 5-7 days or so to dry then Jarred n burped. If u follow the link in my sig youll end up.in my journal whete you can find an awesome detailed instructions on drying/curing. Also invest in a small.60-100x.maginfication pocket microscope so u can know when to harvest by trichome color,if u havent.bought one already.

 

[OldMedMan]

Hi OMM,

It's all in the same room now...a bedroom 8x10, and 2 closets, 1 - 4x5 for flower, and 1 - 2x4 for veg. I'm working on getting shelves put up and I've got a nice 8' banquet table in there...it's coming along. I feel like a regular gardener these days.

It's the white one with a green roof, right? Some bushes out front? Something flowering white, can't quite tell what it is. Hey, I see you

Hi sqwheels !


That's the one. The white you see is a tree that grows a kind of white paper like flowers, actually are they big white seeds the wind blows all over the place. The Plumeria trees in back won't flower for a couple of more months.

Yep, you are a gardener now.

 

[sqwheels]

Sqwheels, your girls all look great. The first two pics show what appears to be a Magnesium deficiency. You can tell this by the yellowing BETWEEN the leaf veins while the veins themselves stay green, which is called "intervenal banding". You may want to treat her with epsom salt or cal/mag.

I would still defoliate, but I live on the edge!

It'll take about 4-6 weeks of veg before you can really tell sex, but you can take a clone as soon as she can give one, put that in flower right away, and tell a little sooner.

Hi Mr.K,

I thought the same thing and have been giving Epsom as a supplement since last sunday they got 1t/gal @ 467 ppm and 7.0 pH, and again tuesday 512 ppm. I didn't adjust the pH because the chart I use says Mg is best available @ 5.8 or higher...I've been trying to mix my nutes and not have to use "up" or "down". Maybe I need to increase the dose slightly, or give it a little more time to recover. I don't use cal/mg because I use part tap and part RO for the base water. measures in around 60-80ppm everytime, maybe I should up that a little too.

Yep, I already picked all the big fans off...I know from experience that the buds grow bigger because of it...so I did it again. Boy do they look bare right now tho

That's my plan exactly, I'll wait just long enough to pick a top and move it to flower, within a few weeks then I'll know...I knew it was too early...this is only the second time I've grown from seed and I was just being hopeful, wish me luck for a couple girls

I haven't decided which way would be better...clip the top and root her for a mom and move the rooted plant to flower or the other way around. it would probably take less time that way. What do you think? By the time the new cutting has roots the donor would be just about showing, that way I'm not wasting a bunch of time on a male plant.

 

[sqwheels]

Just popped in,at work cant go through everything. Looking good but......DONT remove ANY fan leaves at ALL! Unless,their already dead or blocking bud sites from getting light but even then its better to tuck em. They are what helps your plant grow big healthy frosty buds. They soak up the light and 'feed' your.flowers the energy they need to produce. As far as ur quest with whats wrong,could be alot of things. N def., Cal def....etc etc. best advice when encountering a problem and you dont know exactly what it is,flush with plain ph'd water (3x the pot size) then wait a week and go from there. Question,are you still giving her 'grow' products or just bloom? Sometimes depending.on strain n what not you may want to continue feeding N up until the 3week of flower. U may also need to add Cal mag a few Weeks into flower also.

Hi GTG,

to my journal...

too late, already defoliated. I did it with the last grow with wonderful results. I know the arguments for and against, I did a bunch of research, then tried it...in my experience it works.

I'm still trying to work out my feed issues, and a flush is probably in order, but with hempy I can't let them go a whole week with nothing, they would dry out too much. No I've not given "grow" since the first week of flower, this is day 22 of 12/12...I'll keep playing with it, hopefully they straighten out for me...

I skimmed through your last journal, I saw when u dried after harvest you put a fan directly on the buds. Thats not good bro, you can n should have a fan on low.to circulate air but not blowing directly. That will.dry em too fast n give u a harsh smoke. It should take 5-7 days or so to dry then Jarred n burped. If u follow the link in my sig youll end up.in my journal whete you can find an awesome detailed instructions on drying/curing. Also invest in a small.60-100x.maginfication pocket microscope so u can know when to harvest by trichome color,if u havent.bought one already.

I'm not sure where you are, but here it's really dry already, my furnace has been running for a couple months, my last harvest took about 4 days hang time and then another week in paper bags, before I jarred. It has turned out pretty good each time for me. I'll come see how you do it, always good to get others experience too.

I do have a 60-100x micro...and love it.

for looking, and the advice

 

[OldMedMan]

GimmeTheGoods

Cool way of drying buddy.....thanks for the link.....sorry to butt in sqwheels!

 

[Bassman59]

Just popped in,at work cant go through everything. Looking good but......DONT remove ANY fan leaves at ALL! Unless,their already dead or blocking bud sites from getting light but even then its better to tuck em. They are what helps your plant grow big healthy frosty buds. They soak up the light and 'feed' your.flowers the energy they need to produce. As far as ur quest with whats wrong,could be alot of things. N def., Cal def....etc etc. best advice when encountering a problem and you dont know exactly what it is,flush with plain ph'd water (3x the pot size) then wait a week and go from there. Question,are you still giving her 'grow' products or just bloom? Sometimes depending.on strain n what not you may want to continue feeding N up until the 3week of flower. U may also need to add Cal mag a few Weeks into flower also.

I'm not sure where you got this narrow minded idea. But It's been proven by many long time growers you can defoliate and be highly successful. You might even want to google defoliation for hi yield. Take vineyards for example, they are growing grapes, not grape leaves, and they totally strip! And for our plant, some growers prefer to grow buds rather than fan.

Defoliation does a few very important things. It improves circulation of air throughout the plant. Reduced humidity, deeper light penetration directly to buds sites below the top of the canopy. Less energy wasted on leaves and more directed to bud development. We have a constant feed, they dont need to "store food" for the winter.

I know it's controversial, but it is only controversial because of the narrow minded growers expounding against it. This idea spreads to the unknowing and they too demand one should never do it. Keep an open mind, research, take pause and think it over. I bet you'll no longer have this opinion with such strong commitment. But it's awfully hard to argue with growers getting 9+ oz per plant from 32" squared by 32" tall girls. And they're out there if you look.

I have a grow in my sig where I have done major stripping of fans a couple times in veg, and am about to do a major strip in flower. My plants all have huge amounts of bud sites ALL near the top of the canopy. Further, the lower sites, once the stripping is done, will get nice light exposure and grow nice buds instead of popcorn.

I'll probably strip in a day or two and post pics. And when I say strip, I do mean strip!

Long live strippers!