Sqwheels' 2nd Grow - White Widow - Soil-Less Mix 2011

[Truth Seeker]

OMM,
I think that herms are just as good!! i get some from a local shop here in cali and it is still really potent, and i got seeds, but i only got 4 seeds out of a 1/4 OZ, still not bad!!! right???

 

[Xlr8]

OMM,
I think that herms are just as good!! i get some from a local shop here in cali and it is still really potent, and i got seeds, but i only got 4 seeds out of a 1/4 OZ, still not bad!!! right???

A lot of the time really great bud will have a few seeds in it. Though I wouldn't really classify that as from a hermie... Those seeds are good seeds that appear more often on a late harvest or an older clone (remember the clone starts with the age of the mother). Or maybe you were told it was hermie bud? I'm guessing you just got some really great mature bud with a few seeds, that are probably 100% female, btw (it's one way to make feminized seeds). Whatever the case, sounds like it was great bud!

 

[sqwheels]

so you already have seeds and seed pods growing in the buds???

Hi Astonr,

No. I'll post a picture in a few.

Until this mornings inspection I thought it was just immature pods that maybe if left alone would turn into a seed.

But this morning I found one open, which means it was probably a pollin sack like Xlr8 said. It's the only one I've found like that but it probably pollinated the whole room...Damn!!!

I guess my inspections aren't as thorough as I thought. I must have missed it a day or two ago and it popped open. But all the others I've found are closed...I'm going to keep pinching them off everyday and let it go.

Like I said yesterday...at this point I've got nothing to loose really. I'm just growing for me, what do I care if there are a few seeds. I just hope that one pollin sack doesn't ruin every bud.

 

[sqwheels]

Hi Girl

I'm torn now...if they are putting out seeds and not pollen I would keep going with them. Hard call. At this point I would let them go and see what happens. You've put allot of time in, so let em go. Who know what they will do? Good things I hope!

Hi OMM,

No I don't think these things are seeds. They are growing under the bud. Kinda between the leaf stem and the bud. Wouldn't actual seeds form in the but itself? Not under...right? I'm pretty sure Xlr8 called it right. They look more like pollin sacks. I'll go get a pic and post it in a few. And this morning I found one open. Unfortunately I smashed it pinching it out of there or I'd have taken a photo.

 

[OG13]

Below the bud and banana shaped is a pollen sac. They fan open, like a banana peel when the pollen is ready it drops out like a burst of flour, to be carried by the breeze..... If the pollen was ready and you bumped it, you would know. Just keep pinching and cross your fingers.....all your seeds will be female though--do like the Dutch and sell them for more money. That's why I get "regular" seeds--nonfeminized.

 

[sqwheels]

I think that if you only have the two, I'd keep pinching like crazy, doing your best to keep up. You've put this much into them, and it's better than losing everything. Your only other alternative is to start over, but I'd grow these out for the experience if nothing else. And you will get some meds from it, they might be alright if you can keep up pinching the pollen sacks. I'm guessing that there wasn't actually a seed in one of the pods, but more likely pollen or a pollen sack... is that possible, did it look like a little banana at all?

Sorry to hear about them doing this to you. I'd def grow them out if it's just the two, personally. For some reason I thought you had a few more plants...

Hi Xlr8,

Yep, keeping up is gonna be the trick I think. Ya, I'm pretty sure now that it's a pollen sack, not a seed. I found one open this morning...Do you think that one open sack will ruin the whole batch of buds? I don't think they grow back after pinching because I marked the first few spots I pinched with a bread tie so I could watch, but I wonder if they'll start putting out double time because of my pinching off whats there.

This is all an experiment for me, so I may as well continue. I don't really want to start over, it's been like 8 weeks and over $100 in nutes, it would be such a waste.

I'm going to go find a dehumitifier today and try to do something about the environment, hopefully destress the girls a little. Maybe I can nurse them thru to the end.

With all the help and advice I'm getting here, I think it will all work out.

to all ... Pictures in a few

J

 

[sqwheels]

Sorry about the bad pic, I couldn't get the camera to focus, but I wanted you to get the idea where it grows, that reddish brown thing pointing directly into the camera is the stem of a giant fan leaf.

This is a close up of what I think is a pollen sack.

Tomorrow when I pinch more of these I'll take some more pics.

 

[sqwheels]

Heres another...you can see how it grows in between the leaf stem and the bud, kinda next to the little hairs that tell you it's a female

 

[sqwheels]

Below the bud and banana shaped is a pollen sac. They fan open, like a banana peel when the pollen is ready it drops out like a burst of flour, to be carried by the breeze..... If the pollen was ready and you bumped it, you would know. Just keep pinching and cross your fingers.....all your seeds will be female though--do like the Dutch and sell them for more money. That's why I get "regular" seeds--nonfeminized.

It's not really banana shaped, I don't think. I've seen pictures of what you are talking about...this doesn't look like that. See my most recent pics posted.

While pinching these off, I haven't seen any puff or spores of what I could definitively call pollen, but I did find one of these little sacks open while inspecting today. I pinched it off quick and clean, careful not to spread anything that might be inside.

I grow all kinds of flowers in outdoor gardens around my house. I see all kinds of pollen in those. But MJ is a mystery to me still, I'm just gonna keep pinching and see what happens.

I so appreciate everybody's input


Happy Growing Everybody

 

[sqwheels]

A lot of the time really great bud will have a few seeds in it. Though I wouldn't really classify that as from a hermie... Those seeds are good seeds that appear more often on a late harvest or an older clone (remember the clone starts with the age of the mother). Or maybe you were told it was hermie bud? I'm guessing you just got some really great mature bud with a few seeds, that are probably 100% female, btw (it's one way to make feminized seeds). Whatever the case, sounds like it was great bud!

Hi Xlr8,

Gotta pick your brain for a sec..."the clone starts with the age of the mother" Does this mean that if you have had a mother for years, your clones are years old too? Thus a more mature plant from the start, and more likely to hermie because of this?

 

[Truth Seeker]

A lot of the time really great bud will have a few seeds in it. Though I wouldn't really classify that as from a hermie... Those seeds are good seeds that appear more often on a late harvest or an older clone (remember the clone starts with the age of the mother). Or maybe you were told it was hermie bud? I'm guessing you just got some really great mature bud with a few seeds, that are probably 100% female, btw (it's one way to make feminized seeds). Whatever the case, sounds like it was great bud!

i am an exclusive member at the club that i had gotten those seeds from, and i have a great relationship with them, i know their master grower, actually went to school wit him!!! (small world) anyways, on some of their plants, he was telling me, that they hermed, they had 1 of the plants herm reall bad, so they sold that stuff out as a mystery kush, good buds, just to many seeds came out of that 1!!! i think he had told me that the pollen sacks bursted on that one, but they had that plant isolated!!! but yea my afgoo seeds came from hermie, but my GDP was female with few sack spots and very very few seeds, they usually pull them before they sell the buds!!!

 

[Xlr8]

Hi Xlr8,

Gotta pick your brain for a sec..."the clone starts with the age of the mother" Does this mean that if you have had a mother for years, your clones are years old too? Thus a more mature plant from the start, and more likely to hermie because of this?

Well, I'll start with a full disclosure: I only grow from seed (at least so far), so I am by no means an expert on cloning...

Having said that, clones from a 2 year old plant, are 2 years old also in a certain biological sense - and age does make a difference in some respects. (To really blow your mind, a clone of a clone is also still the age of the original mother).

I don't believe that it makes you more prone to hermie issues, though (maybe someone else can weigh in on that). I know some growers have mentioned they feel vigor decreases with age and will "bud out" their mothers yearly, for example, to keep from progressively weaker plants/yields. In theory, the loss in vigor could result in susceptibility to disease, and plant health problems (again not sure if that would increase likelihood of a stress hermie - but it might stand to reason).

Clones don't have quite the yield potential as growing from seed, and their yield potential goes decreases over time as I understand it. But, it's a great way to grow in that clones of a female, are going to be female, etc., and it's much cheaper than buying seeds.

My guess is that your plants would have been fine, though, if your environment was all in check. You have wisely identified several potential causes for stress that could have made this happen on almost any plant -- the key is to make a few adjustments to insure an even better outcome in the future. You are learning a lot and doing great - it's a process and you'll keep getting better at it all the time.

 

[Truth Seeker]

Well, I'll start with a full disclosure: I only grow from seed (at least so far), so I am by no means an expert on cloning...

Having said that, clones from a 2 year old plant, are 2 years old also in a certain biological sense - and age does make a difference in some respects. (To really blow your mind, a clone of a clone is also still the age of the original mother).

I don't believe that it makes you more prone to hermie issues, though (maybe someone else can weigh in on that). I know some growers have mentioned they feel vigor decreases with age and will "bud out" their mothers yearly, for example, to keep from progressively weaker plants/yields. In theory, the loss in vigor could result in susceptibility to disease, and plant health problems (again not sure if that would increase likelihood of a stress hermie - but it might stand to reason).

Clones don't have quite the yield potential as growing from seed, and their yield potential goes decreases over time as I understand it. But, it's a great way to grow in that clones of a female, are going to be female, etc., and it's much cheaper than buying seeds.

My guess is that your plants would have been fine, though, if your environment was all in check. You have wisely identified several potential causes for stress that could have made this happen on almost any plant -- the key is to make a few adjustments to insure an even better outcome in the future. You are learning a lot and doing great - it's a process and you'll keep getting better at it all the time.

well said!!! i like this theory, it also in turn with the age, say as if like Xlr8 said, the mother was 2 years old, that means that grower had been cloning off the mother for that amount of time as well, imagine all that trimming that they do in time, it stresses her a lot in the first place, but to keep doing it over and over agian... also it could be that the mother was just a hermie as well they just dont know that cus nobody has told this to the grower, or at least the better amount of people that get the clones... you know, cus i told the collective that i got my clone from that i had no problems, they just want to know whats up with mom, if mom is bad they want to know!!!

 

[OldMedMan]

Hi Young Lady.

I waited until xlr8 answered you about Hermies before I made a comment.

I still say grow them out. Pinch the sacks and keep on going, If you end up with seeds, who cares...there will still be some smokable buds. In the sixties there were seeds in everything and the smoke was still great. I'm not saying you will have seeds, but don't worry about it. You've invested time and money in this
venture and you should get something for your trouble. I hope you found a small dehumidifier, that would help things allot. xlr8 was spot on, so I am not
contradicting him in any way.

A piece of info about pollen. If it gets in the air and some one is growing, even miles away they will be pollinated. Be careful.

 

[OG13]

I don't think age of the mother has much to do w/ hermies, nor does it impact potency/yield. I've had mothers for about 5 years w/ no problems. Some peeps here have them much longer than that. Just keep pinching and hope for minimal seeds.

 

[Matanuska Valley]

MV...

 

[sqwheels]

Wow, I had to run all day long and look at all the visitors I had

Astonr,OMM,Xlr8,OG,MV...

You guys are Great!!! full of helpful info and willing to share.


X.. Well said, and very good explanation..I think I'll take Astonr's comment and tell the dispensory, just in case they don't know, or want to know. Whatever, I'm in there regular so I'll say something next time.

Having said that, I do believe the problem is because my environment is out of whack. I ordered a Eva Dry 2200, I think that should make a difference.


Astonr.. My buddy told me today that he had a friend once that mothered out a plant for so long that it had single bladed leaves. Not 5 or 7, but just one single blade. And some of the best bud he'd ever had. Real couchlock kinda high, said it was the weirdest plant he's ever seen.


OMM.. Yep, gonna grow those babies to the end. We'll see what happens. I know all about 70's weed w/seeds. Use to smoke it all the time.


OG.. Like I said, gonna grow them out. I only found 1 pollen sack today, but I also found an immature seed in one of the buds.


MV.. So glad you visited, recently I've been lurking your photos...Absolutely FABULOUS!! I'll never look at weed the same again. Some of the best photos I've ever seen. I've also been wanting to ask you some specifics about your ww, since that's what I'm growing.

How do you get them to bud right next to the main stalk? The 3 that I've grown so far now always turn into a bush. Is it all in the pruning process. Or difference genes?



So much for all the input

J

 

[Truth Seeker]

no problem sqwheels, i am always glad to help out a fellow grower!!!

 

[Rekles]

Just pinch it off and keep going like others recommended. Your girls should be just fine!

-Rek

 

[Truth Seeker]

now i dont have any experience in this field wit herms....yet....hoping i wont, but you never know, anyways, dont you think it would be better to snip em off instead of pinching em?? couldnt pinching em make em release some pollen if there is some in them???

just a thought!!!