Sqwheels' 2nd Grow - White Widow - Soil-Less Mix 2011

sqwheels said:
Hi OMM,

So glad you're checking in on me. I see you had a party at your place, sorry I was late. So many great threads, so little time.

Ya, that nighttime hum is wild huh? I'm all natural here. No A/C, just a bunch of fans. If that's what you meant by the rest of the room. In the summer, Michigan doesn't usually get more than a few days in the 90's, we've already had a week of them. My first grow was during the winter months and I didn't have an issue with temp/hum. But this time it's proving a challenge.

What about baking soda or corn starch or rice? Something to absorb some of that moisture. Does that sound stupid? I've been opening the door periodically throughout the day. That seems to help with the temp. But I can't do that at night, the bedroom in which the closet is located isn't light tight, and I can't make it that way. The closet door must stay closed at night. I could put another fan in there but that room is small and I have a fan pointed right on them 24/7 already, I don't think it would make much difference.
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Hi there, my pleasure to look in on you. Actually I think your doing a hell of a job. :)

There will be more parties. :cheertwo:

I understand...you just have ride it out during this hot spell. You made that closet crystal clear to me. May the spell be over soon!

I knew one guy that used rice, but I think it got expensive. What you really need is Silica Gel packets, BIG ones! They suck up moisture....but I don't know if they make them that big! :) Sorry..a bit high! :rasta:
 
OMM,

Ya right, about the size of my pillow. Maybe a couple of them.

Thanks for the kind words...I'm trying.

That's all any of us can do.

:peacetwo:
 
sqwheels said:
Hi OMM,

So glad you're checking in on me. I see you had a party at your place, sorry I was late. So many great threads, so little time.

Ya, that nighttime hum is wild huh? I'm all natural here. No A/C, just a bunch of fans. If that's what you meant by the rest of the room. In the summer, Michigan doesn't usually get more than a few days in the 90's, we've already had a week of them. My first grow was during the winter months and I didn't have an issue with temp/hum. But this time it's proving a challenge.

What about baking soda or corn starch or rice? Something to absorb some of that moisture. Does that sound stupid? I've been opening the door periodically throughout the day. That seems to help with the temp. But I can't do that at night, the bedroom in which the closet is located isn't light tight, and I can't make it that way. The closet door must stay closed at night. I could put another fan in there but that room is small and I have a fan pointed right on them 24/7 already, I don't think it would make much difference.
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Hi Sqwheels - I know what you mean about humidity issues. I usually don't grow in the summer, and I'm more used to dealing with low humidity issues. Now it's hitting humid season, and I have to break out the dehumidifier.

As far as baking soda or corn starch - I doubt they'd do enough to make a lot of difference. That said, I'm a fan of trying anything and everything you can to make it right. Every little bit helps. A few things to consider. You can buy pretty small "petite" dehumidifiers that can make some improvement. They aren't extremely impressive, but they help. Lower budget, you can get "Damp Rid" at the local hardware store. It's basically a small bucket of a super absorbent material that pulls moisture from the air. I've done it, and it definitely pulls moisture, not a ton, but it does seem to help a little. Ultimately, a regular sized dehumidifier is the way to go if you can, but they are pretty pricey sometimes. :goodluck:

This is a little dehumidifier that I have - it helps some. It's about the size of a football:

Eva Dry Petite dehumidifier:
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Xlr8 said:
Hi Sqwheels - I know what you mean about humidity issues. I usually don't grow in the summer, and I'm more used to dealing with low humidity issues. Now it's hitting humid season, and I have to break out the dehumidifier.

As far as baking soda or corn starch - I doubt they'd do enough to make a lot of difference. That said, I'm a fan of trying anything and everything you can to make it right. Every little bit helps. A few things to consider. You can buy pretty small "petite" dehumidifiers that can make some improvement. They aren't extremely impressive, but they help. Lower budget, you can get "Damp Rid" at the local hardware store. It's basically a small bucket of a super absorbent material that pulls moisture from the air. I've done it, and it definitely pulls moisture, not a ton, but it does seem to help a little. Ultimately, a regular sized dehumidifier is the way to go if you can, but they are pretty pricey sometimes. :goodluck:

This is a little dehumidifier that I have - it helps some. It's about the size of a football:

Eva Dry Petite dehumidifier:
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Xlr8,

That's a great idea. I didn't know they made them that small (football)

That room is so small 4x5, it'll have to be something this small. And because the room is so small, it just might work.

Thanks, good suggestion. :high-five:

J
 
sqwheels said:
Xlr8,

That's a great idea. I didn't know they made them that small (football)

That room is so small 4x5, it'll have to be something this small. And because the room is so small, it just might work.

Thanks, good suggestion. :high-five:

J
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Hi Sqwheels -

I want to give you a little more info if I can. The little dehumidifier helps, and it will make a small difference. In some cases, with a smaller space like that it's one of only a few options. When I was in a little smaller situation, I would use the EvaDry petite, and a little bucket of damp rid together and it helped just enough. In fact, if you decide to do smaller solutions like this you may want to consider a 2 pronged solution like that or something similar -- the little stuff makes a "little" difference (though sometimes that's just enough).

Having said that, the best thing I've done in the battle on humidity is to invest in a larger dehumidifier that I have outside of the grow-space where my fresh air comes from that is vented into the grow space. It's way more effective for me, and it makes a much bigger difference. However, it did cost me a couple of hundred dollars. I'd recommend a brand if you wanted to go that way, but the one I have - while it's worked great for me so far - has a terrible reputation with reliability. In fact, after reading reviews on it, I'm apparently really lucky it's been working well for me. (It's an LG for what it's worth). You'd want to get one appropriate to the size of space you are pulling your fresh air from - they usually say on them how big of a space they'll cover. I realize that this may not be a realistic solution for you, but wanted to give you all the info and options I could think of.

I wanted to give you a bit more food for thought, and to help give you some realistic ideas of what to expect.

Sending you positive thoughts and energy with the hopes that your temp and RH issues don't cause any problems for you. :goodluck:

:cheertwo:
 
do you have anything bringing in fresh air into the room, when i put my little inlet flow DIY, it made my humidity stay constantly at 45-50% never really changed between those with or without the lights on, but i was using CFL's... I had the fresh air come in from one side of the room and then at the bottom of the other side was my exhaust fan which i just had a fan osculating... and it would blow out the air of the other side of the room!!! dont know if this is capable for your setup, what do you have just a closet type grow??? whats blocking out the light???

:peacetwo:
 
Weekly Update...I got a little snap happy with the photos

These plants have been in 12/12 since June 9th, 16 days now.

This is just an overall view of them today
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A closer look at the bud tops
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This is the main stalk of one...They both look the same
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The first and only bud with red hairs so far
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I just couldn't resist, it's such a pretty lil' nug
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I think I may have a nute issue, I found maybe 8 leaves with this type of damage
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Ok, I had a spidermite issue but I've been inspecting daily for bugs...I haven't found any in 10 days now. Which I'm thanking the weed gods for everyday.

But during today's inspection I found this
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Is this Hermie? I've only found these two. I didn't see anything like this anywhere else on the plant. They are both on one stem. Should I clip this stem out of this plant? I don't want to let it produce pollin in this little room, I'll never be able to grow in here again.
 
Xlr8,

Thanks for all the input, much useful info. I'm going to look for a dehumitifier. I must do something with this room if I'm going to grow in the summer, that's fast becoming obvious. I think I may have a hermie on my hands. :yikes::yikes:
 
Hi Astonr,

Ya, that's what I thought too.

It's a clone. But I have been reading up on these hermie. Apparently any plant, in my case, a female clone, if over stressed can turn hermie. I've been having an issue with heat/hum.. It seems that could have caused it. Or it's possible that my room isn't light tight, I think I read that can do it too.

What I want to know is...Can I cut the offending branch? I only found 2 spots like this, on the same branch, within two nodes of each other.

Some threads say this is the plants reaction to stress...Nutes, lights, any number of things.

Some threads say if you let the plant go too long in flower it's the plants last ditch effort to reproduce. Kinda keep the species alive so to speak.

These 2 plants came from the same mother I'm pretty sure. I got them from the dispensory and they looked identical at that time and with the exception of a little difference in height (like 1-1/2 inches) they still look identical. Except for the 2 sacks, of course.

I'm so bummed, these plants look really good. I don't want to have to trash one of them. But I'm pretty sure that may have to happen in order to spare the other.

Gotta make dinner, will continue research later...hope i can come up with something good.

Happy Growing... J
 
well, I did some research of my own as well!!! did you know that if you were to grow a seed that is feminized, prior to planting, it came from a hermie of a mother!!! see i guess from what i got out of it is, the way to make a feminized seed is to stress the crap out of mama!!! when she herms, she will (pardon my language) f**k herself, therefor giving you a feminized seed, now the problem and benifit from this is that when you grow that seed, you have to chances of getting either a hermie or a female!!! chances are slim to nil of it producing you with a male... I'll keep you posted on what else i find!!!

:peacetwo:
 
sqwheels said:
Hi Astonr,

Ya, that's what I thought too.

It's a clone. But I have been reading up on these hermie. Apparently any plant, in my case, a female clone, if over stressed can turn hermie. I've been having an issue with heat/hum.. It seems that could have caused it. Or it's possible that my room isn't light tight, I think I read that can do it too.

What I want to know is...Can I cut the offending branch? I only found 2 spots like this, on the same branch, within two nodes of each other.

Some threads say this is the plants reaction to stress...Nutes, lights, any number of things.

Some threads say if you let the plant go too long in flower it's the plants last ditch effort to reproduce. Kinda keep the species alive so to speak.

These 2 plants came from the same mother I'm pretty sure. I got them from the dispensory and they looked identical at that time and with the exception of a little difference in height (like 1-1/2 inches) they still look identical. Except for the 2 sacks, of course.

I'm so bummed, these plants look really good. I don't want to have to trash one of them. But I'm pretty sure that may have to happen in order to spare the other.

Gotta make dinner, will continue research later...hope i can come up with something good.

Happy Growing... J
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Hi Sqwheels -

Unfortunately, looks like a hermie to me. :sorry:

As you mentioned, stress can cause hermies, and sometimes they will hermie at the end of their life as a last ditched effort to reproduce -- both are certainly true, and it's all really under the umbrella of some sort of stress. All living things have a top priority of reproduction, and anytime the plant feels it's life is in imminent peril prior to reproduction, it may express a hermie trait. Last ditch effort at procreation.

Stress can be caused by a myriad of factors, including the ones you mentioned (light leak, heat, humidity, anything with environment out of whack). You could try only removing the offending branch and monitoring the rest of the plant. From my experience and observing others, you might be best off removing it from your growspace. I would - I've experimented with a similar situation and it just caused a lot of headache, some immature seeds on one of my plants, and reduced yield.

Most, if not all, female plants will hermie with enough stress applied. Good feminized seeds/strains are very stable genetically and not really prone to hermie. If your environmental conditions are good, your odds of getting a nice female with feminized seeds is significantly greater than with regular seeds, and the odds of a hermie are slightly higher with feminized seeds.

Cloning can be a good option for ensuring females once you have a female plant you like and would want to replicate.

Bummer about the hermie, but it happens sometimes even if you've done other things right (genetics is a big factor). :goodluck:
 
astonr420 said:
well, I did some research of my own as well!!! did you know that if you were to grow a seed that is feminized, prior to planting, it came from a hermie of a mother!!! see i guess from what i got out of it is, the way to make a feminized seed is to stress the crap out of mama!!! when she herms, she will (pardon my language) f**k herself, therefor giving you a feminized seed, now the problem and benifit from this is that when you grow that seed, you have to chances of getting either a hermie or a female!!! chances are slim to nil of it producing you with a male... I'll keep you posted on what else i find!!!

:peacetwo:
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Hi Astonr,

Thanks for all the info. Yep, I've read all of that... Like I said, I've been researching this for a few days. I've been having issues with my environment this entire grow. I was afraid this might happen. It was much easier to control the environment in the winter. Live and Learn eh?

Thanks again for looking into this, I appreciate your efforts.

:thankyou:
 
Xlr8 said:
Hi Sqwheels -

Unfortunately, looks like a hermie to me. :sorry:

As you mentioned, stress can cause hermies, and sometimes they will hermie at the end of their life as a last ditched effort to reproduce -- both are certainly true, and it's all really under the umbrella of some sort of stress. All living things have a top priority of reproduction, and anytime the plant feels it's life is in imminent peril prior to reproduction, it may express a hermie trait. Last ditch effort at procreation.

Stress can be caused by a myriad of factors, including the ones you mentioned (light leak, heat, humidity, anything with environment out of whack). You could try only removing the offending branch and monitoring the rest of the plant. From my experience and observing others, you might be best off removing it from your growspace. I would - I've experimented with a similar situation and it just caused a lot of headache, some immature seeds on one of my plants, and reduced yield.

Most, if not all, female plants will hermie with enough stress applied. Good feminized seeds/strains are very stable genetically and not really prone to hermie. If your environmental conditions are good, your odds of getting a nice female with feminized seeds is significantly greater than with regular seeds, and the odds of a hermie are slightly higher with feminized seeds.

Cloning can be a good option for ensuring females once you have a female plant you like and would want to replicate.

Bummer about the hermie, but it happens sometimes even if you've done other things right (genetics is a big factor). :goodluck:
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Hi Xlr8,

I'm so bummed, yep, it's hermie, and it's more than just one branch. It's both plants, I've now found around 8 sites with seed sacks, mostly in pairs, but one of them had 4 in a clump. About twenty little sacks in all. I've picked them off very carefully so as not to spread any pollin if there is any. The sacks are mostly hollow. I've found only a couple that actually had a seed inside.

Can I continue to monitor these and pinch the little sacks off when I find them? Or is this a lost cause and I should start over after I can figure out the environmental issues? I've done alot of reading on this but still don't know if this idea will work. A friend of mine said he just let them go and he only had a few immature seeds at the end of harvest.

It sucks that I only have these 2 plants and they both show hermie signs. If I can let them go and not contaminate my room with pollin I might do that.

What do you think? You said you had experimented with this b4...what happened?

Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it.

:thanks:
 
OldMedMan said:
Hi young Lady. :)

Like xlr8 said, cut that branch off and pray. Watch it closely though. If you see more...dx it! A shame, since you only have two. :smokin2::smokin2:
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Hi OMM,

Is it a must to ditch them? At this point I know I've got two hermies. Is there nothing I can do. Do you know...Will the weed still be good?

If I pinch all the little sacks as they show up, do you know what will happen?...at this point I don't think I have anything to loose.

Any and all suggestions or ideas welcome

J
 
sqwheels said:
Hi OMM,

Is it a must to ditch them? At this point I know I've got two hermies. Is there nothing I can do. Do you know...Will the weed still be good?

If I pinch all the little sacks as they show up, do you know what will happen?...at this point I don't think I have anything to loose.

Any and all suggestions or ideas welcome

J
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Hi Girl ;)

I'm torn now...if they are putting out seeds and not pollen I would keep going with them. Hard call. At this point I would let them go and see what happens. You've put allot of time in, so let em go. Who know what they will do? Good things I hope! :blushsmile:
 
I think that if you only have the two, I'd keep pinching like crazy, doing your best to keep up. You've put this much into them, and it's better than losing everything. Your only other alternative is to start over, but I'd grow these out for the experience if nothing else. And you will get some meds from it, they might be alright if you can keep up pinching the pollen sacks. I'm guessing that there wasn't actually a seed in one of the pods, but more likely pollen or a pollen sack... is that possible, did it look like a little banana at all?

Sorry to hear about them doing this to you. I'd def grow them out if it's just the two, personally. For some reason I thought you had a few more plants...
 
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