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The cabbage nutrients:laugh: are a 4-2-4 and I have a PK 0-25-30
As for calcium. I use bottled mineral water and it's got a shed load of it in..
Im as baffled as yous are about the burn as nothing has changed and all the others get the same stuff.
The yellowing could be because she is going into a bit of a stretch and she only got water last time.. like you mentioned before, she has a small pot and could be root bound..
 
Cool, that npk isn't that bad, even though that mineral water has calcium and others in it, it may not be in the right ratio? I wouldn't know how that works.
But also ,my guess is the micro organisms in the soil are spent.
The organisms that nutty grows.
It might be worth looking at boosting them with some recharge or mychorhizea when upping the food slightly.
 
Listersmeghead said:
Cool, that npk isn't that bad, even though that mineral water has calcium and others in it, it may not be in the right ratio? I wouldn't know how that works.
But also ,my guess is the micro organisms in the soil are spent.
The organisms that nutty grows.
It might be worth looking at boosting them with some recharge or mychorhizea when upping the food slightly.
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I will look into the water and what it has In it, I take it for granted that it's got all the macros in it.. but I will double check.
Micro organisms
The cabbage food is organic and is meant to have its own wildlife in it. But, what I've just realised, it's been open since this time last year and all the organisms might be dead or probably will be dead.. I would never have looked along those lines.. so thanks for that mate.

Edit, it has 50mg per litre of calcium in the mineral water
 
Squiggle said:
The cabbage nutrients:laugh: are a 4-2-4 and I have a PK 0-25-30
As for calcium. I use bottled mineral water and it's got a shed load of it in..
Im as baffled as yous are about the burn as nothing has changed and all the others get the same stuff.
The yellowing could be because she is going into a bit of a stretch and she only got water last time.. like you mentioned before, she has a small pot and could be root bound..
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Hi Squigs - I've tried the same thinking with mineral water and it doesn't seem to work like that, perhaps it's the balance
Perhaps it's not chelated so not readily available to the plant or similar
If that were my plant it would get a dose of CaMg before PK
 
Growings said:
Hi Squigs - I've tried the same thinking with mineral water and it doesn't seem to work like that, perhaps it's the balance
Perhaps it's not chelated so not readily available to the plant or similar
If that were my plant it would get a dose of CaMg before PK
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Hi mate.

I will order some now off Jeff bezzy bloke.. it can't harm anything.
Do you both think it's a cal mag issue? I thought that was more rusty patches ? But I'm useless at diagnostics
 
Squiggle said:
Hi mate.

I will order some now off Jeff bezzy bloke.. it can't harm anything.
Do you both think it's a cal mag issue? I thought that was more rusty patches ? But I'm useless at diagnostics
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If you order some calmag, watch out for the nitrogen content. Most calmags have high N amounts, I think mine is 2-0-0 but some are 4-0-0. Your cabbage food in high in N also, so calcium with the lowest N so you don't overdose.

What you're doing is working well on the ww and blue berry, but regarding the sour this is where you get the waffle about canna specific nutes...here goes...
Get proper nutes for cannabis :rofl:
 
I would also jump to calmag first ,,your lightning of edges of leaves,,,,
 
Squiggle said:
Hi mate.

I will order some now off Jeff bezzy bloke.. it can't harm anything.
Do you both think it's a cal mag issue? I thought that was more rusty patches ? But I'm useless at diagnostics
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I reckon it's the best place to start - VitaLink CaMg is only 1.8% N
 
Listersmeghead said:
If you order some calmag, watch out for the nitrogen content. Most calmags have high N amounts, I think mine is 2-0-0 but some are 4-0-0. Your cabbage food in high in N also, so calcium with the lowest N so you don't overdose.

What you're doing is working well on the ww and blue berry, but regarding the sour this is where you get the waffle about canna specific nutes...here goes...
Get proper nutes for cannabis :rofl:
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I agree calnesium or calmag ,,,,, but watch out for the N ,,,, I don't think its MG because the veins in the leaf look fine , trouble shooting cannabis is hard , sometimes a ph adjusto will get her eating without causing more burn I think calcium is absorbed at 7.5 to 8.5 , never hurts to mix a little mychorhizea in some water , multiple problems it could be be with multiple solutions go with your gut brother !!! She still looks good
 
The only other thing it can be is a little need for k potassium.
Both calcium and potassium work the edges of the leaves like that, can be on both old a new growth.
Your nutrients have a good level of potassium (k) in it, so more likely be calcium, if the calcium don't fix it that just leaves k.
Either way,a bit of mychorhizea or some recharge for the micro herd would help.
 
Listersmeghead said:
:laugh:If you order some calmag, watch out for the nitrogen content. Most calmags have high N amounts, I think mine is 2-0-0 but some are 4-0-0. Your cabbage food in high in N also, so calcium with the lowest N so you don't overdose.

What you're doing is working well on the ww and blue berry, but regarding the sour this is where you get the waffle about canna specific nutes...here goes...
Get proper nutes for cannabis :rofl:
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Proper nutrients?:rofl: where's the fun in that.:laugh:. But yous lot still have issues even with cannabis specific nutrients from time to time.
!Ike you said, it's working for the other two and it's worked for the last 2 grows.
This is what's baffled me.. if it was my water or my nutrients all of them would be displaying the same issues..
if there wasn't enough calcium in the water, I surely I would have noticed it on every plant..
Anyway
I've just ordered the vitalink stuff @Growings mentioned just incase; anyway,I will give that a whirl first and then hit her with everything I've got.
thanks for the assistance mate.


(Squiggle mutters under his breath)
"Canna specific nutrients? pah!!! Nutrients, shmootrients, stick with the cabbage food);)
 
Growings said:
I reckon it's the best place to start - VitaLink CaMg is only 1.8% N
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Just ordered the same stuff. Can you over dose a plant on cal mag.?
 
HashFart said:
I agree calnesium or calmag ,,,,, but watch out for the N ,,,, I don't think its MG because the veins in the leaf look fine , trouble shooting cannabis is hard , sometimes a ph adjusto will get her eating without causing more burn I think calcium is absorbed at 7.5 to 8.5 , never hurts to mix a little mychorhizea in some water , multiple problems it could be be with multiple solutions go with your gut brother !!! She still looks good
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Hi mate.

My gut is telling me to ignore the tip burn and just hit her hard with an N boost and a PK boost.. thats why I never listen to my gut :laugh: They wouldnt have made it this far if I had stopped and listened to my self.
I will hit them with some mycho and open a new bottle of organic food as I know that's got it's own organisms in.

Like everyone has suggested, I will try the calmag first and then just work my way through.. I think I will up the pH just this time on her, see what happens. Thanks for that.
This is why I don't like to defoliate, if there were less leaves, the problem would spread quicker, as she wouldn't have had enough resources of her own to continue going forward..
 
Listersmeghead said:
The only other thing it can be is a little need for k potassium.
Both calcium and potassium work the edges of the leaves like that, can be on both old a new growth.
Your nutrients have a good level of potassium (k) in it, so more likely be calcium, if the calcium don't fix it that just leaves k.
Either way,a bit of mychorhizea or some recharge for the micro herd would help.
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I will definitely go down this route, thanks for that..
But it still has got me scratching my head though:hmmmm:
Why arent all of them reacting the same.. I'm starting to think "did I mix her last food wrong or forget to pH the water on her?" I should really mix up one big batch and feed them all out of that mix,. But I only mix up 1.5 litres at a time. So Im starting to think I may have fooked up along those lines also.. time will tell. Really appreciate the advice mate. Cal mags coming on Monday, which works well, as they are due a feed then anyway.
Thanks again
 
Squiggle said:
Just ordered the same stuff. Can you over dose a plant on cal mag.?
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Yes you can.

Nitrogen toxicity
Calcium and magnesium lockouts, etc.

Wish it were otherwise.
 
Squiggle said:
But I only mix up 1.5 litres at a time. So Im starting to think I may have fooked up along those lines..
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Yeah that's a possibility, 1.5 litres is a small amount to be knocking up at a time, doesn't leave much wiggle room for error. But if needs must.

Squiggle said:
Why arent all of them reacting the same..
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I think that's the difference when you hear grow reports that say ' that plant was easy to grow and was a light/content feeder' compared to ' that plant was slightly fussy or was heavy on the calmag'
Especially when you've got them in a ideal environment under good lights, it raises their metabolism and pushes some harder than others, they may just want a little extra.
 
Rexer said:
Yes you can.

Nitrogen toxicity
Calcium and magnesium lockouts, etc.

Wish it were otherwise.
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Ahhhh!!! Something to look out for.. i will keep an eye out for that.
Thanks
 
Listersmeghead said:
Yeah that's a possibility, 1.5 litres is a small amount to be knocking up at a time, doesn't leave much wiggle room for error. But if needs must.


I think that's the difference when you hear grow reports that say ' that plant was easy to grow and was a light/content feeder' compared to ' that plant was slightly fussy or was heavy on the calmag'
Especially when you've got them in a ideal environment under good lights, it raises their metabolism and pushes some harder than others, they may just want a little extra.
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It's not such a needs must :laugh: just I can't be arsed to go out and buy a bigger watering can :laugh: think I will tomorrow though..

I get you on the fussy plant thing. I figured that out after growing the moby dick and her moby CBD. The original moby actually took twice the dose of cabbage food as hers. It took me the second time round to figure it out.
So it is possible that there's not enough cal in the water for her alone.
Or not enough K.
At least the problems have been spotted very early. So it gives us a chance to rectify them.
Have the kids got you up again :laugh:
 
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