Thanks for all that information Krip. I'm sure they've made some changes since I used my KIND. I will say I know for a fact when the power went out before lights out time when the power came back on the light wouldn't shut off until the next days off time. I was burned by that on a few occasions. Your idea about using a manual timer as back up is a good one though, that would have solved my problem. I wonder when KIND is going to get on board with the COB and Quantum Board tech. I don't think I could go back to blurple now.