cool sounds like the DnS is working well for you then, my results are pretty amazing, i was always pleased with the b.p.n results but this DnS seems to be doing much better and its such and easy system to use,
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glad the DnS is working ok so far, im pretty amazed with the results for such a easy product to use,
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Donpaul.p, How would you suggest I collect pollen and pollinate an auto?
The plastic bag method?
I kind of think If she is a he, I will let her start to build balls under the light,then put her in a sunny-ish room to mature so I dont seed crop my whole grow.
The plastic bag method?
I kind of think If she is a he, I will let her start to build balls under the light,then put her in a sunny-ish room to mature so I dont seed crop my whole grow.
DP, that's scary because I've Already failed at the clone re-veg & I'm attempting a plant re-veg now. Maybe you can take a looksie & share some of your wisdom.
There's no room in my wallet for another membership card.
ill be over BAR and have a look
@Spimp, if its auto you could put it in another room now as any light will keep it growing and make it produce pollen,
all i do is move the plants to another room, if its auto then you can move it as soon as you find its male, if its a photo plant i leave them in flower room until the pollen sacs are about to open then that goes into the spare room and goes under natural light so i can collect pollen,
to collect pollen all i do is check the plant each day and without touching it check the pollen sacs, then when you see one open place a small tub under neath and tap the plant and the pollen will fall into the tub, you only get a tiny it from each pollen sac but you only need a tiny bit to produce seeds, so each day i keep checking the plant and keep tapping pollen into a dark coloured pot so i can see the pollen in the bottom,
then you cant store it to long at room temp so it dont stay viable long so you either have to store it in the fridge with rice or something to stop the moisture killing the pollen or if your going to use it within a week or 2 then just keep it in a dark cool place like back of a cupboard and it will be fine to use, then i get a female plant out of the flower room and take it to the room i had or have the male in, then using a fine brush or cotton bud/que tip and dip it into the pollen then brush the pistils you want seeds from, i usually pollenate the lower branches leaving the rest of the plant seed free, so brush it on then leave that female plant where it is for a few hours, say 5 hours later give it a spray down with a water bottle so you have wet the whole plant, then let it dry and put it back in the flower room, spraying the plant kills any pollen that may not of pollenated the plant and it stops it spreading in the flower room when the fans are on.
just make sure their are no open windows or fans where you are pollenating the plant as it can spread very easy, i dont use the bag method but you can go with that if you like, i prefer to collect the pollen in a plastic tup then brush it onto the pistils i want seeds from.
once you have put the pollen on the pistils you will notice that within a few hours the pistils will start to die and shrivel up then a few days after you will notice the calyx swell as the seeds are now forming, then just let it do its thing and harvest the plant when its ready or harvest the top and leave the buds with seeds in it on the plant until they are mature and ready to fall out the buds.
they say its best to change your clothes after messing around with pollen as if you go near the other females you can spread the pollen, i know i should do this but i dont and so far ive only got seeds from the buds ive put seeds on, ive not had any problems with pollen reaching the other plants, i just make sure i spray the female plant down with water 5 or 6 hours after putting the pollen on it, water kills pollen so misting it with water will stop it spreading to your other plants.
if you want to produce auto seeds then cross and auto with an auto, crossing an auto with a none auto i thought would produce 1/4 auto seeds, but after reading up on breeding ive found out the first auto to none auto cross produces 0 auto seeds unless your very lucky, its when you back cross or cross the new seeds with an auto that you then get 1/4 auto seeds from that batch, ive crossed autos and none autos and luckily i ended up with some autos so guess i was very lucky.
its worth doing if you want more seeds, just be carefull with the pollen
@Spimp, if its auto you could put it in another room now as any light will keep it growing and make it produce pollen,
all i do is move the plants to another room, if its auto then you can move it as soon as you find its male, if its a photo plant i leave them in flower room until the pollen sacs are about to open then that goes into the spare room and goes under natural light so i can collect pollen,
to collect pollen all i do is check the plant each day and without touching it check the pollen sacs, then when you see one open place a small tub under neath and tap the plant and the pollen will fall into the tub, you only get a tiny it from each pollen sac but you only need a tiny bit to produce seeds, so each day i keep checking the plant and keep tapping pollen into a dark coloured pot so i can see the pollen in the bottom,
then you cant store it to long at room temp so it dont stay viable long so you either have to store it in the fridge with rice or something to stop the moisture killing the pollen or if your going to use it within a week or 2 then just keep it in a dark cool place like back of a cupboard and it will be fine to use, then i get a female plant out of the flower room and take it to the room i had or have the male in, then using a fine brush or cotton bud/que tip and dip it into the pollen then brush the pistils you want seeds from, i usually pollenate the lower branches leaving the rest of the plant seed free, so brush it on then leave that female plant where it is for a few hours, say 5 hours later give it a spray down with a water bottle so you have wet the whole plant, then let it dry and put it back in the flower room, spraying the plant kills any pollen that may not of pollenated the plant and it stops it spreading in the flower room when the fans are on.
just make sure their are no open windows or fans where you are pollenating the plant as it can spread very easy, i dont use the bag method but you can go with that if you like, i prefer to collect the pollen in a plastic tup then brush it onto the pistils i want seeds from.
once you have put the pollen on the pistils you will notice that within a few hours the pistils will start to die and shrivel up then a few days after you will notice the calyx swell as the seeds are now forming, then just let it do its thing and harvest the plant when its ready or harvest the top and leave the buds with seeds in it on the plant until they are mature and ready to fall out the buds.
they say its best to change your clothes after messing around with pollen as if you go near the other females you can spread the pollen, i know i should do this but i dont and so far ive only got seeds from the buds ive put seeds on, ive not had any problems with pollen reaching the other plants, i just make sure i spray the female plant down with water 5 or 6 hours after putting the pollen on it, water kills pollen so misting it with water will stop it spreading to your other plants.
if you want to produce auto seeds then cross and auto with an auto, crossing an auto with a none auto i thought would produce 1/4 auto seeds, but after reading up on breeding ive found out the first auto to none auto cross produces 0 auto seeds unless your very lucky, its when you back cross or cross the new seeds with an auto that you then get 1/4 auto seeds from that batch, ive crossed autos and none autos and luckily i ended up with some autos so guess i was very lucky.
its worth doing if you want more seeds, just be carefull with the pollen
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We often go for picnics with the Long Island Spimpertons
Any relation?
Good day Sir Spimp sorry about your troubles with clones etc, gave up on mine a while back also, didnt compact the soil enough around her! I think you had the same issue. We live , we learn and if lucky get to spimp another clone up another day! lol
Best of brilliantly blinding bejeweled buds to you sir!
Best of brilliantly blinding bejeweled buds to you sir!
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We often go for picnics with the Long Island Spimpertons.
Any relation?
I think they are distant relatives to the Spimpertons from Yonkers. We're kinda the Black Sheep in the family tree.
Rico and Light Addict. Good Weed gentlemen.
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I think Im gonna strip the bottom of this one. She's an auto and I know the clone has about 1% of being worth the effort, but Maybe I can use this limb to work on the 'rootin skills'?
In the past, the popcorn buds fom my previous autos (like below the redine) havepretty much been worthless.
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Interesting spimp very interesting. In your time on this site u have grown very much as a grower
Your curiosity will only add to your devolpment to becoming a grand master grower
Iv never thought of cloning an auto there weird things ain't they. They defy the rules so so much. They've had mothers natures influence taken from them. I'm very interested to see what would come of a cloned auto so I say yay. Cut off that bud branch n try make it grow
Reps for u sir
Your curiosity will only add to your devolpment to becoming a grand master grower
Iv never thought of cloning an auto there weird things ain't they. They defy the rules so so much. They've had mothers natures influence taken from them. I'm very interested to see what would come of a cloned auto so I say yay. Cut off that bud branch n try make it grow
Reps for u sir
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Thank you sir Alex.
1hc DCS FTW kc!!
Got 2 interesting pics for ya.
1hc DCS FTW kc!! Got 2 interesting pics for ya.
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Is it possible that GITMO is showing hairs 12 hours after he FIRST night of 12-12??
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That is exactly what it looks like spimp. I zoomed in on the second and they look totally hair like to me
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maybe the plant is just at the mature age, if i go 12-12 before the plants mature then it takes a week or 2 before it shows sex, but if i leave them in veg long enough which is usually 6 to 8 weeks under 18-6 then they show sex before i flip 12-12,
when i first started growing autos i was told that 24-0 from seed will keep them in veg and they wont start flowering until you give them 1 night of dark, but this information was wrong on all the strains ive tried and all flowered under 24-0, maybe try putting the auto clone under 24-0 and see what happens, that info must of been true for some strains else they wouldnt of give me info like that, but ive not come across an auto that stays in veg under 24-0, all the autos ive grown started flowering much quicker under 24-0, some as early as 2 weeks old, but then when you grow the same strain under 18-6 or even 12-12 from seed they dont start flowering until after week 4, so from my own experience ive found you get bigger autos if you give them a night period each day, so ill only use 18-6 for autos or maybe 20-4, but 24-0 i dont think is the best option as it seems to produce very small autos with small yields,
also make sure their is plenty of oxygen getting to the roots, let the soil totally dry out before you water again, my plants have grown like crazy since changing the way i water, before i used to poke my fingers down 3 or 4 inches and if they came out wet i wouldnt water, if they was dry id water, but now im letting the pot totally dry out so the pot us really light when i pick it up, i dont let my plants wilt but the pots are top heavy when i lift them up due to the soil been really dry, my plants have never grown so quick and the buds have not been as big or as dense as they are now, again thats the results im getting so may not work with every strain, but with the strains im growing letting the pots totally dry out has really paid off and the buds are getting huge, my jack flash is falling over due to the bud on the top been to heavy, it was 12-12 from seed so i can sample the buds before deciding to grow a big plant well the top bud is the same size as a can of pop and ive had to tie the stem to the pot to stop it falling over.
when i first started growing autos i was told that 24-0 from seed will keep them in veg and they wont start flowering until you give them 1 night of dark, but this information was wrong on all the strains ive tried and all flowered under 24-0, maybe try putting the auto clone under 24-0 and see what happens, that info must of been true for some strains else they wouldnt of give me info like that, but ive not come across an auto that stays in veg under 24-0, all the autos ive grown started flowering much quicker under 24-0, some as early as 2 weeks old, but then when you grow the same strain under 18-6 or even 12-12 from seed they dont start flowering until after week 4, so from my own experience ive found you get bigger autos if you give them a night period each day, so ill only use 18-6 for autos or maybe 20-4, but 24-0 i dont think is the best option as it seems to produce very small autos with small yields,
also make sure their is plenty of oxygen getting to the roots, let the soil totally dry out before you water again, my plants have grown like crazy since changing the way i water, before i used to poke my fingers down 3 or 4 inches and if they came out wet i wouldnt water, if they was dry id water, but now im letting the pot totally dry out so the pot us really light when i pick it up, i dont let my plants wilt but the pots are top heavy when i lift them up due to the soil been really dry, my plants have never grown so quick and the buds have not been as big or as dense as they are now, again thats the results im getting so may not work with every strain, but with the strains im growing letting the pots totally dry out has really paid off and the buds are getting huge, my jack flash is falling over due to the bud on the top been to heavy, it was 12-12 from seed so i can sample the buds before deciding to grow a big plant well the top bud is the same size as a can of pop and ive had to tie the stem to the pot to stop it falling over.
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I totally agree Donpaul.p about making sure they go dry. That oxygen is so crucial to weight. James The Green kinda inspired my Root Research. Plus the Grow Guide that you and light addict have now also talks about the ONLY two yield tricks beyond grower talent is Root Zone Oxygen and CO2at the leaf.
That pic above is a Photo plant. But it is one of the ones i had to 'save'. She is 60 days from sprout with offset nodes so she for sure is ready. My LST project, Gizmo(GDP) is about 30 days old so I hope she shows soon too.
If either of them are male I will try to pollinate and get some seeds. If they are both female, the buds pics will start flowing!
I Want to tell you that I am seeing Great Results with the D&S products. The roots that are trying to come out of the smaller pots are bleach white. Your gonna have to reasses your atering schedule once you start using Stage1 though. They are drinking more than ever and I think its because the roots are very happy. Im looking foward to adding in the 604A&B from SNS and also using it for folar spraying.
What doyou think about attempting to Clone an Auto just for technique? Its not gonna be anything but a .1 popcorn bud anyway so Id figured I would try a Freebie if you will.
That pic above is a Photo plant. But it is one of the ones i had to 'save'. She is 60 days from sprout with offset nodes so she for sure is ready. My LST project, Gizmo(GDP) is about 30 days old so I hope she shows soon too.
If either of them are male I will try to pollinate and get some seeds. If they are both female, the buds pics will start flowing!
I Want to tell you that I am seeing Great Results with the D&S products. The roots that are trying to come out of the smaller pots are bleach white.
Your gonna have to reasses your atering schedule once you start using Stage1 though. They are drinking more than ever and I think its because the roots are very happy. Im looking foward to adding in the 604A&B from SNS and also using it for folar spraying.What doyou think about attempting to Clone an Auto just for technique? Its not gonna be anything but a .1 popcorn bud anyway so Id figured I would try a Freebie if you will.
it wont hurt to try cloning it, if its not going to produce much then it wont produce less if you turn it into a clone, it will still grow as a bud but will just take longer thats all, just make sure the soil is just moist that you plant it in, dont compact the soil around the stem, just poke a hole with a match or something similar, cut the clone and put it strait into rooting gel or powder after scarping the stem, i leave mine in the gel for 15 to 30 seconds, then push it into the hole and gentle push the soil onto the stem, then give it a spray then spray inside the dome and put the dome on, if the dome keeps humidity high then you dont need to spray it every day, i sometimes go 2 or 3 days between sprayings but it dont make much difference as long as humidity is high. the main problem i had when first taking clones as the soil was to wet and roots just wouldnt grow, the roots need to grow to search for water so if the soil is to wet then it dont encourage the roots to grow,
its good news to here the DnS is working ok for you as well, ill be using bag 1 in the next day or 2 so will be able to see how that compares to regular compost, its suppose to double the root mass or something along them lines so the roots then take in more nutrients, so that should help with growth very early on so hopefully should produce good results, im pretty happy with the results so far, buds are getting bug but could be also down to me not watering as much as i really let my pots go totally dry now where as before i was doing the finger test but plants seem to grow much quicker when the soil is bone dry,
but im not seeing any signs of the plants needing more nutes so the DnS must be ok, i will try amending it with one of my plants with the next grow just to see if its worth upping the dose but im very happy with the results so far, just not used bag 1 yet, bag 2 seems to be producing good results as well, my clones are getting big quick and i need my flowering plants to finish so i can get the plants in the bigger pots, or i may have to get some new pots but ill see how they go, so far DnS seems to be really doing well.
just be careful with the pollen if you have males, ive not had any problems with other plants producing seeds and its best to change clothes after messing with pollen but ive not done this and not had seeds in other plants so as long as the male is kept out the way and you take the female to another room to put pollen on then you should be ok,
but give the cloning a try, at least your not going to lose anything by using the auto, if it roots then the bud will keep developing as normal, it will still develop with the dome on so at least you can give it another try and see if it roots, just keep the soil just moist, you dont want to water the soil you put the clone in, strait out the compost bag is ideal, all i do is fill a small pot with compost strait out the bag and plant the clone then spray with water, the roots then are forced to grow so they can find the water, i kept the soil to wet to start off with and lost lots of clones, but once you done it once you will be able to clone any plant, now i just take 1 clone from the plant i want a clone from and it roots within 10 days.
its just finding that sweet spot between over watered and under watered, as long as the soil is just slightly moist then it will root with no problems, make sure the soil is not getting to hot with the light or to cold by having it on a cold floor and you should be ok,
its good news to here the DnS is working ok for you as well, ill be using bag 1 in the next day or 2 so will be able to see how that compares to regular compost, its suppose to double the root mass or something along them lines so the roots then take in more nutrients, so that should help with growth very early on so hopefully should produce good results, im pretty happy with the results so far, buds are getting bug but could be also down to me not watering as much as i really let my pots go totally dry now where as before i was doing the finger test but plants seem to grow much quicker when the soil is bone dry,
but im not seeing any signs of the plants needing more nutes so the DnS must be ok, i will try amending it with one of my plants with the next grow just to see if its worth upping the dose but im very happy with the results so far, just not used bag 1 yet, bag 2 seems to be producing good results as well, my clones are getting big quick and i need my flowering plants to finish so i can get the plants in the bigger pots, or i may have to get some new pots but ill see how they go, so far DnS seems to be really doing well.
just be careful with the pollen if you have males, ive not had any problems with other plants producing seeds and its best to change clothes after messing with pollen but ive not done this and not had seeds in other plants so as long as the male is kept out the way and you take the female to another room to put pollen on then you should be ok,
but give the cloning a try, at least your not going to lose anything by using the auto, if it roots then the bud will keep developing as normal, it will still develop with the dome on so at least you can give it another try and see if it roots, just keep the soil just moist, you dont want to water the soil you put the clone in, strait out the compost bag is ideal, all i do is fill a small pot with compost strait out the bag and plant the clone then spray with water, the roots then are forced to grow so they can find the water, i kept the soil to wet to start off with and lost lots of clones, but once you done it once you will be able to clone any plant, now i just take 1 clone from the plant i want a clone from and it roots within 10 days.
its just finding that sweet spot between over watered and under watered, as long as the soil is just slightly moist then it will root with no problems, make sure the soil is not getting to hot with the light or to cold by having it on a cold floor and you should be ok,
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Spimp... Mom nomination booshhhhh it had to happen
Congrats on the nom my friend well deserved indeed! Spimp the king in waiting!
