SpaceF Grow 4 - Perpetual Organic - 8 Feminized Strains - 1000W LEDs

Thanks! no i don't use tap water at all. I use a bottled water from volcano source. According to studies, it is the less polluted available. Not only it is free from anything like cholrine and fluorine, but also from traces of pollutents of medical pollution (chemicals, molecules etc). It is also one the cheapest available at this quality (1/3rd the price of a big brand).

It is also the poorest in terms of minerals and has a PH of 6.5 that can be used straight "out of the bottle", and sometimes I add 10 drops of PH Down. Sometimes, during pre-flowering, I mix it with another water which is rich in cal/mag/sodium, but I do this a couple of time only (may be 4 times in 2 weeks).

I've used tap water to fill half the tank last time, and some leaves were yellow, but probably because of N deficiency rather than chlorine. Anyway, since then, they have completely recovered. There can't be chlorine excess with the water I use.

Practically, it is sport: it means going to the supermarket and getting 2 or 3 * 6 packs at once in the trolley (18*1.5 liters = very heavy). storing them etc. At the end, it is probably expensive too, but may be less than an osmoser. I probably pay between 15 and 20 euros per month for the water -1.5€ a pack of 6*1.5).

I flush with tap water though, showering each pot in the bath tube, and finishing with a full bottle of that mineral water i am using :-)

I am the only grower I know who does this, 99.00% use tap water, 0.999 % have osmosers, and 0.001% is me ;-)

If I had more space, I would use a tank of tap water (30/50Liters ) that would sit in a dark place with plenty of time for chlorine to evaporate.

There is also the 8L britta filter, but the filters are super expensive and must be changed often otherwise they actually release stuff rather than filtering them out.

That's serious dedication! That's definitely quite some work but I find it admirable that you do all this for the well being of your plants!
After reading your message I took the time to measure the PH of my chlorine free tap water and it was 8. I got a bottle of Ph- so I lowered it to around 6,7.

I like it better when between 40% and 50% all through. 55% the first 2 weeks may be. 42% all the way is my target (nothing scientific, i find it sexier than 41 or 43 :D - seriously i think it's to avoid spores and pest that develop better above 42% for some.

It also depends on the height or locatioon in the tent. Today, it is rainy outside: I read 74% at Blue Dream's feet, 38% at 60cm from led panel on the left side near Cali Snow, and 61% on the right side slightly below Aya's canopy. The humidifier (plant feet level) reads 76%.
Also, not sure of the accuracy of all my sensors (some are old etc).
What is sure is that there are a lot of variations.

I have slightly too much humidity on the floor now that I have an intraction from below my window. it is great when it is hot, less when it is humid. I would prefer to see 50/55 on the floor and anywhere around 35/45 elsewhere. i've had very dry % sometimes, like 23% for several days/weeks (very dry air where i live).

I've been trying some stuff out but so far my biggest problem is to find some stability in my humidity levels. My tent is in my bathroom and if it's raining it goes easily up to 80-85% when I open the windows to renew the air. Today I got a dehumidifier and I'll try to hold a 50-55% humidity level for the veg. It's tough because I got 3 hygrometers controlled devices so I need time to sync them all perfectly!
Anyway thanks for taking the time to answer me, you've been very thorough as always!

Well done on the repotting, it looked like a hell of a job! (love the root ball picture)
 
Well done on the repotting, it looked like a hell of a job! (love the root ball picture)

Repotting was work and time, and dirt, and cleaning...
All roots were the same.. white, dense...perfect.
I am slightly late on flowering. 1 week behind the original schedule. But it begins today (13h/11 light cycle (12 full + 1 hour soft lights sunrise/sunset). I will crop for my Bday and smoke when i'm 1 year older, lol.

I will also shut down the moonlight (one of the timer blue back lighting, make a very soft blue light (can't be seen in pictures, it's too weak). Now it will be dark night for a couple of weeks.


Day 30 for the fem, photo update.
I repotted the 2 last today; lemon HB and Furious Candy.

The roots were just like on Blue Dream's picture. It wasn't the case yesterday. In 1 day, Lemon HB grew root of in the pot under it. The roots of the furious candy also became dense. may be it's the dose of G.O. BioRoots" .

The blue Dream is a bit yellow: it is stretching and it wants more nuts than any other strain in that tent. The Bat Soil should help.... i hope. lemon HB in the background. When a plant looks like that, it wants a bigger pot.
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Washing Machine
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the GSC
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Aya's Purple, the other big one (with blue dream).

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The California Snow is in the other tent. There is no room for the bloody Skunk.

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California Snow totally beach hair style
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The Bloody Skunk
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Family picture

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I also added a bit of biobizz light mix in the autos, and a bit more batmix in the fems.

phew... but it's not finished...watering system to install and test during 1 week.
 
Well, I think I can leave them a couple of days more. Most of them are less than a foot tall. May be, Blue Dream should be put in flowering a few days before the others, or should i top it to get an even canopy... dilemna...

Day 30:
Blue Dream: 42 cm
Aya Purple: 33 cm
Washing Machine 28 cm
Lemon HB: 24 cm (+1 week younger)
GSC: 23cm
Furious Candy: 21 cm
 
I've put the Cali snow back in the big tent, and the Blue Dream in the small box, to begin reduce its light cycle (- 1h today).

Blue Dream
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still not sure about flowering now except for the Blue Dream...
 
Never been tempted to plant straight into a bigger pot so you don't have to transplant ever?
The macro pictures are fantastic, I wish I had such a camera!

This might be a stupid question regarding the Blue Dream, but, can't you veg it a few days more so all the flowering of all your plants are sync?
 
Never been tempted to plant straight into a bigger pot so you don't have to transplant ever?
The macro pictures are fantastic, I wish I had such a camera!

This might be a stupid question regarding the Blue Dream, but, can't you veg it a few days more so all the flowering of all your plants are sync?

In fact, it is the first time that i grow fems and need to transplant. Autos do not need transplanting, and that's a big thing when the tent is in an appartment. Next time, i'll fill all pots at once at the begining, and will store them for later (it is only a matter of 4 weeks so...)... For fems, I think it is a matter of root ball, so they take more nutrients and grow better.

Yes I'm still vegging the blue dream. I have topped it too, to try to get all plants at an even size, ie give 3 days for the others to catch up.
 
They will almost triple by the time they are done them fems :P
Looks awesome by the way :goodjob:


lol, you are scaring the sprouts out of me !
well, I think it is flowering time anyway, 32 full days since germination (a bit more than 4 weeks), 24 for Lemon HB (a bit more than 3 weeks)....
 
Day 45/32/24
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The Lemon HB has been placed in the small tent on a 16/8 light cycle. Just the time for it to recover of this bad shape: I think that it means that the bottom roots don't receive enough water. It happened to me on an auto. So i watered it again and also put water in the dish at the pot bottom, so the soil will suck it progre s sively. If I am right and if I do it right, it should be over in 36/48 hours

makes me think to Droopy, the "happy" dog
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The Blue Dream is as tall as the California Snow now, eventhough it was fimmed yesterday.
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So I bent it a little bit
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It's funny to think that the autos are ready soon (flushing begins in a few days, for 2 or 3 weeks).

Bloody Purple green pheno... far from the violet-black of last time, but same shape.

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The California snow
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It is really time for flowering now.
- Light cycle 12/12
- Changed the water for a brand that contains 1% Potassium and much more Cal/Mag , so even the water is boosted for flowering
- The batmix seems rich enough I use a bit of BioThrive grow and BioRoots. No bloom nuts for the fems yet.
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That's all folks!
 
so beautiful buds.:cheertwo:
Repotting was work and time, and dirt, and cleaning...
All roots were the same.. white, dense...perfect.
I am slightly late on flowering. 1 week behind the original schedule. But it begins today (13h/11 light cycle (12 full + 1 hour soft lights sunrise/sunset). I will crop for my Bday and smoke when i'm 1 year older, lol.

I will also shut down the moonlight (one of the timer blue back lighting, make a very soft blue light (can't be seen in pictures, it's too weak). Now it will be dark night for a couple of weeks.


Day 30 for the fem, photo update.
I repotted the 2 last today; lemon HB and Furious Candy.

The roots were just like on Blue Dream's picture. It wasn't the case yesterday. In 1 day, Lemon HB grew root of in the pot under it. The roots of the furious candy also became dense. may be it's the dose of G.O. BioRoots" .

The blue Dream is a bit yellow: it is stretching and it wants more nuts than any other strain in that tent. The Bat Soil should help.... i hope. lemon HB in the background. When a plant looks like that, it wants a bigger pot.
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Washing Machine
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the GSC
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Aya's Purple, the other big one (with blue dream).

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The California Snow is in the other tent. There is no room for the bloody Skunk.

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California Snow totally beach hair style
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The Bloody Skunk
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Family picture

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I also added a bit of biobizz light mix in the autos, and a bit more batmix in the fems.

phew... but it's not finished...watering system to install and test during 1 week.
 
Day 46/33/25
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The Lemon HB still gives me that droopy look. It is an impressive strain considering it is 8 days younger than the rest.
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...i think it doesn't not have the time to deal with leaves; it is buzy colonizing the new soil. Roots can be seen in the holes I drilled in the pots. It sucks water like crazy. all of them do now...
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Flowering day 2:

I decided to bend the Aya Purple too, this strain looks excellent with its wide branches
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Bending the Blue Dream a little bit more
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The ones below remained untouched so far;

The Girl Scout Cookie:
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The Furious Candy:
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The Washing Machine
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Bushy garden....

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Hi Spart,
Yesterday I watered it again with more than 1.5 liter (1 full bottle) and only a little water came out the bottom.
The roots are even bigger this morning. The plant literrally grew pipes to suck water at fast speed... is it forcing me to go hydroponics now ???
If it doesn't recover this evening, then i'll let it dry for a few days.

I have a test for water: i pour water in the dish under the pot, and if the dish is dry a few minutes later, it means that the soil can cope with more water, so i put more water until it drains out, then i leave it like that for an hour, and then remove the water that is left, if any (sometimes all the water is sucked by the plant, and the dish is totally dry in 10 minutes) (of course, for this to work, you need the pot to be filled with soil until the bottom, ie no drain pepples, .and the pot must touch the dish (obviously :) )


The fems on flowering schedules are used to it now: lights just shut down, and they are in sleeping mode already... it took them 24h to get into the new cycle and I think they all began stretching (at least, they are growing faster than before)... so with a bit of luck, stretching will be done or almost done before i leave. neat!
 
Yeah man mine are doing the same well I water differently mostly because I'm here everyday to water them I've only ever had run off on like two of them and they all seem to be doing fine. I might give a flush at the end of the week with just normal tap water just get out any built up salt from the tap water but to be honest I don't think it's really needed. I'm still watering with 500ml/plant/day and they all seem happy. Hydroponics is an expensive and time consuming thing to start up hope you got some times on your hands but I did see some really nice tables/drip feed systems at the shop if ya wanna go with coco.
 
I don't want to go hydroponics, as you say it is expensive and in my opinion, not necessary, and may be not even wanted for small grow rooms like ours. Hydropnics is quite technical, and you need to buy stuff to deal with plant pathologies or maintenance of the hydroponic system. Apparently, Coco takes a while to get used to, and in the shops, i often hear stories of overwatered/rot plants due to using coco the first time. Well, it sounds very technical to me and with more problems to deal with. It looks to me as the opportunity to multiply the possib ility of problems (and the time needed to solve them). It is probably good after a learning curve... and the learning curve with normal conditions (soil) is already longer than expected...

Does the money/time difference worth it (one could simply buy the difference in yield and save lots of money and time?).

Well, that only my opinion until someone convinces me that i am wrong :-)



Yeah man mine are doing the same well I water differently mostly because I'm here everyday to water them I've only ever had run off on like two of them and they all seem to be doing fine. I might give a flush at the end of the week with just normal tap water just get out any built up salt from the tap water but to be honest I don't think it's really needed. I'm still watering with 500ml/plant/day and they all seem happy. Hydroponics is an expensive and time consuming thing to start up hope you got some times on your hands but I did see some really nice tables/drip feed systems at the shop if ya wanna go with coco.
 
Just testing the canon 24mm lens , that should give more realistic proportions in pictures, while still allowing wide angle.
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the included flash in my cam is really bad... we'll have to do with it...

with the macro rings (gonna post my findings in the macro thread eventhough it's too hard to use for macro)
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Auto Day 48 - Breaking news!
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Two journalled autos named Cali Snow and Bloody Skunk have been moved to a new home in 60cm street, where they will share a common light cycle. Concerns have been raised about the method of eviction of previous occupant, Miss Lemon HB who has been conta contacted and has expressed her satisfaction to get back with her older sisters of different mothers.

CaliSnow and Bloody SKunk in their new home
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Looks like an aquarium or terrarium :)
 
Fem Day 35/27

After a few tries... it looks like this
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Also, a bit of tucking everywhere.


Blue Dream is a lion...
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The Furious Candy (nice for small boxes with lower height).
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The Girl Scout Cookie (nice for small boxes with lower height).
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The Lemon Kush Headband (day 27)
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The Washing Machine
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Aya's Purple
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Here with 2 tanks of 18L (i chose boxes that i can use for myself after that, like shoe box and tool box, goes well into my cupboards. I didn't go with specialized gear).

I can put 3 tanks, but for the moment, i still need to be able to put 1 foot inside the box, to move light and plants, install water pipes etc.

I will install 3 pumps, I think i have an idea of how i will do it with 2 pumps. if it is not enough , a 3rd one will be used. a 4th one is for the autos.
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Really nice to be able to direct side lights in different non symetric ways. Also, the mars 1200 is higher at the back, because the taller plants are at the back (Lemon HB and Blue Dream) I don't think it would be necessary in a 3*3 box (90/100 cm2) .
The best spots for growing (biggest yield per plant) are on the edge of the panel rather than the center. The best spots in that box are the back-left corner, the right-middle side, and just under the fan (front-between-left-and middle). The edge of the led panel should be vertical to the center of the plants it covers. Here there is nothing under the center of the mars 1200, because it would grow very compact (shorter than the others and with dense buds!).
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Watering system

1/ distribution:
There are 10 outputs per pump, I have 3 pumps but prefer to use 2 only (due to bilberry bush on the balcony).

If I use 3 pipes per plants on 3 plants for 1 pump = 9 outputs (18 for 2 pumps)
The 10 th output is sent directly to the "dish" of the Blue Dream and Aya's Purple = 18+2= all 20 outputs used.
I still have a pump to add 6 pipes (1 per plant) and 4 side-dish-pipe (=30 pipes total), and as I have already 2 covered, all 6 plants can get in total of 3 pumps = 4 pipes on top and 1 pipe on the side for the dish. Or 5 pipes on top (30 = 5*6 ) .

Moreover, there could be a problem of pressure between the pipes that are at the front , middle or back of the pump end. So I "weaved" the pipes so all of them have pipes in the front/middle and back.
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Very important, all pipes have the same length, to ensure that each deliver the same amount of water (offers the same "resistance" or pressure, so there is not one pipe that takes a lot and others that take what is left).

2/ Bottom Feeding
here is a pic of the "side-dish-pipe". The only reason I would remove it is if it create a "siphon effect" that sucks water out of the tanks for nothing (except flooding the whole box!). ..mmh, i just need to tape it more horizontal, and with the very end that points to the top...
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3/Final install

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Not yet installed for the autos, which will be much simpler!

It will be tested on next watering, tomorrow probably.

No signs of pistols yet.
 
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